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#794421 - 08/19/02 01:49 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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TM
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 Re: A Challenge For The Cultivation Forum [Re: Alien] 1
#794433 - 08/03/02 01:14 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, I've got a good replacement... NONE!
Use rye berries and horse shizznit. LOL!! 
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I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. 
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Alien
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#794434 - 08/03/02 01:18 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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 BleedingSickness
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Re: A Challenge For The Cultivation Forum [Re: Alien] 1
#794444 - 08/03/02 01:27 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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well if you need vermiculite why not ask or something I'll sell you some or even trade you some for something yes I know this belongs in the trade forum but it was just a suggestion to this guy here
you see vermiculite is easily sterilized it can absorb I so much of it's weight in water it has many positive qualities and has been used for so long that we know it's steady man but I was looking into this other stuff the other day though it's made by the same people that typically make vermiculite and perlite have any of you seen the bag with a cactus on it that's supposed to be made to hold so much water and release it in a certain way I didn't quite get to look into it alot nor am I sure if it could even be used but that might be somethign to look into but really if you can't find vermiculite I think you are either being lazy or you live in the middle of no-where where only one store exists or perhaps your looking the wrong time of the year typically ace-hardware has it, home-depot any self respecting gardening store has it typically and if they don't if you ask they will order it for you unless your paranoid but I'm sure you it's as easy as that man;) I've been looking for someone with some good spore prints or something I could trade you a couple bags for some of those if you got em really I'm open so really anything man they sell it all over here and i'm in the middle of no-where
I think there are people who use other stuff though so I have no doubt that something could appear here but there are higher chances of contams and such or other side effects I would think
Edited by BleedingSickness (08/03/02 01:30 PM)
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mile69
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Re: A Challenge For The Cultivation Forum [Re: Alien] 1
#794452 - 08/03/02 01:32 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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this is probably a dumb idea, but this is a community. why dont we set up a vermiculite ring? you know where the people who need it pay for the shipping (as well as the product) , and the other community members who can get it help the other ones out? i know this comes across as nieve, but i would be willing to help some people out. BUT before i get bombarded with requestes...lets try to get some order to this idea. i am on the east coast and wouldnt be able to guarantee arrival dates etc. so lets see what we can do:)
Edited by mile69 (08/03/02 01:32 PM)
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LaCasta
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Re: A Challenge For The Cultivation Forum [Re: BleedingSickness] 1
#794454 - 08/03/02 01:32 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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In reply to:
well if you need vermiculite why not ask or something
Because he is trying to find new experimental ways to replace vermiculite. I think it is a good idea.
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UFOz8MyGoat
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Re: A Challenge For The Cultivation Forum [Re: Alien] 1
#794577 - 08/03/02 03:04 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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someone scan the ingrediants on the back of the package... sounds dumb but there are ways to make anything a different way
Edited by ShroomlessInOkla (08/03/02 03:07 PM)
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indianfarmer
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Re: A Challenge For The Cultivation Forum [Re: UFOz8MyGoat] 1
#794613 - 08/03/02 03:59 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lowes home improvement store still carries vermiculate. Many places such as walmart stopped carrying it because supposedly its a environmental hazard because deposits of asbestos keep on turning up in vermiculate which can cause lung scarring and cancer from inhalation. Some people use perlite instead of vermiculate although I'm not sure if I heard of perlite contam barriers ever.
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#794633 - 08/03/02 04:12 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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BleedingSickness
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Re: A Challenge For The Cultivation Forum [Re: indianfarmer] 1
#794638 - 08/03/02 04:15 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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perlite is also harmful if breathed in just as vermiculite is I can't remember what it does I guess it leads to cancer or something but that's from prolonged exposure I'm sure there is an alternative to vermiculite out there the problem being getting water absorbtion and air flow all in one thing because you will either get one thing that will absorb extremely well but it doesn't provide air flow or something that will provide air flow and won't absorb water well so basically my suggestion would be not to find one thing but two instead one thing to absorb water and the other to provide air flow and you'd just mix them together all into one so they could do their jobs equally thus that could increase cost a little though another thing it has to be something that can be sterilized either by steaming or microwaving some sort of sterile method. I can't really think of anything that would provide all that in one during this time;) but someone else surely could.
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Re: A Challenge For The Cultivation Forum [Re: BleedingSickness] 1
#794649 - 08/03/02 04:28 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you tame down peatmoss with hydrated lime, it works well. You can also use chopped wheatstraw,but make sure its at least 1/2 inch thick and very moist. bluhoney.
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#794684 - 08/03/02 04:56 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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indianfarmer
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Re: A Challenge For The Cultivation Forum [Re: BleedingSickness] 1
#794720 - 08/03/02 05:24 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wasn't trying to say perlite wasn't harmful or that it causes less health problems than vermiculate I was just trying to explain the reason why many stores no longer carry vermiculate. Perlite also can cause cancer, etc. but to my knowledge they have never found deposits of asbestos in it. I was only saying perlite can be substituted. I had read this at vendors websites and have a friend who uses perlite as a substitute.
Another thing you can do is use whole grain long grain brown rice. Its fluffy holds more water than regular substrate (in my opinion) and contains more nutriention than the brf substrate. A brf/verm substrate recipe I used was 1/8 cup rice 1/8 cup water and 1/4 cup vermiculate. I believe this filled one jar maybe two I doubt it and cooked rice (if cooked correctly) is roughly 1 part rice two parts water which is a greater proportion of water than 1/4 cup rice flour/verm 1/4 cup water.
Thats just my opinion from experience and i'm sure others disagree. But cooked whole long grain brown rice can be substituted from the traditional recipe if desired and I've heard of some kind of poly floss or sponge stuff described at simple minds paradise that can be used instead of the vermiculate barrier.
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BleedingSickness
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Re: A Challenge For The Cultivation Forum [Re: indianfarmer] 1
#794727 - 08/03/02 05:30 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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haha i wasn't saying that you were saying that perlite wasn't harmful miscommunication is just my thing tonight I guess hehehe, first the girls then the shoomery members hehe it's just my day isn't it lol no offense intended in anyway to anyone, ummm yeah i've also heard of using rice maybe there is a method that could be created using totally organic material perhaps coursely ground sponge that had been steamed ground course because the pieces would remain large enough to absorb water hmmm I suppose if we truly researched hard enough something could be figured out
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Re: A Challenge For The Cultivation Forum [Re: Effed] 1
#794759 - 08/03/02 06:04 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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You might be right Effed. We had these flowers the other week that came in this green stryrofoam stuff. It privided water, air, and support which is what vermiculite does. I'm not sure how hot you can heat that stuff without it melting so sterilization might be a problem, but it's probably worth a try.
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Re: A Challenge For The Cultivation Forum [Re: Alien] 1
#794865 - 08/03/02 08:09 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Has anybody tried running corn cob bedding through a coffee grinder?
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Re: A Challenge For The Cultivation Forum [Re: BleedingSickness] 1
#795027 - 08/04/02 02:20 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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In reply to:
you see vermiculite is easily sterilized it can absorb I so much of it's weight in water it has many positive qualities and has been used for so long that we know it's steady man but I was looking into this other stuff the other day though it's made by the same people that typically make vermiculite and perlite have any of you seen the bag with a cactus on it that's supposed to be made to hold so much water and release it in a certain way I didn't quite get to look into it alot nor am I sure if it could even be used but that might be somethign to look into but really if you can't find vermiculite I think you are either being lazy or you live in the middle of no-where where only one store exists or perhaps your looking the wrong time of the year typically ace-hardware has it, home-depot any self respecting gardening store has it typically and if they don't if you ask they will order it for you unless your paranoid but I'm sure you it's as easy as that man;) I've been looking for someone with some good spore prints or something I could trade you a couple bags for some of those if you got em really I'm open so really anything man they sell it all over here and i'm in the middle of no-where
Come up for air once in awhile.
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Alien
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#795079 - 08/04/02 03:44 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Edited by Alien (08/04/02 03:49 AM)
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sirJ
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Re: A Challenge For The Cultivation Forum [Re: Alien] 1
#795133 - 08/04/02 04:56 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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In reply to:
Has anybody tried running corn cob bedding through a coffee grinder?
damn.. i was going to say that..
or just a blender perhaps? wouldn't the coffee grinder make it too fine?
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