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 Important - All Cultivators please read.   2
#520834 - 01/14/02 07:24 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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We have been looking into re-arranging the current set up of forums for mushroom cultivation. As you all know currently we have for cultivation a regular forum (Mushroom Cultivation) and an Advanced forum (Advanced Mushroom Cultivation)
The problem right now is that there is just too much traffic in this forum, and I'd like to hear ideas on how we can do this better.
I was thinking of something like having 3 forums, like below:
1. Basic Mushroom Cultivation - For growers who are new to this hobby, if you've never grown before this is the forum for you.
2. Intermediate Mushroom Cultivation - If you've grown before and are familiar with the basiscs this is the forum for your questions.
3. Advanced Mushroom Cultivation - For very experienced cultivators and mad scientists to discuss new ways, methods, etc....
The titles and descriptions are no way set in stone, just an example of what I was thinking off the top of my head. If anyone has any ideas and comment I'd really appreciate your input.
This website is what you make of it, so don't be shy in voicing your thoughts
I will leave this thread up for a week to hear your ideas.
Thanks. 
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 Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#520845 - 01/14/02 07:35 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sound reasonable to me. I think that everyone would benefit from taking some traffic away from this one forum, and there really are eneugh posts to go into an intermediate one as well.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#520846 - 01/14/02 07:35 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sounds good. The only problem might be, there are still beginners posting in the advanced forum. How will you stop them from posting in the intermediate? It's worth a try though. Perhaps if just above the list of post, where you now have the message "Please search before posting", change the font to a much larger size and color it bright red.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#520851 - 01/14/02 07:38 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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sounds like a great idea. i have seen what you mean because all the traffic is here so no one posts in or goes to the advance and other forums. it will still just depend on if people actually use them or not......
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#520854 - 01/14/02 07:40 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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the idea you got there sounds great! I was going to mention a seperate fourm for casing and for growing straight from cakes, but i like your idea better. just my 2 cents
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#520865 - 01/14/02 07:45 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow this forum is busy, already so many replies.
Well just so everyone knows the descriptions for each forum will be specific. That way we can make the moderators jobs a little easier.
However the moderators will be asked to ensure proper threads are in the proper forums. Hopefully with more detailed forum descriptions it will make their job much easier and also for everyone who posts it shouldn't be hard to figure out where your question should be asked...
Also we will get a really proper FAQ up in the future that will hopefully be interactive...
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: pleezr]
#520868 - 01/14/02 07:48 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Myco-Elite had it set up that way, I liked it. It will be interesting to see how it works with the heavier traffic.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#520873 - 01/14/02 07:52 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think we need to do this.
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 Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: pleezr]
#520876 - 01/14/02 07:56 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree about a larger perhaps red and blinking " please search" . To play the devils advocate if someone had a question about say moisture levels in rye cakes between flushes and they try searching "cakes" or something they will get so many responses that it will take days to read. If there is any way to fine tune the search engine that would be better I think. I see one problem with the 3 forums idea. The rookies will hopefully read all 3 forums. The intermediates will read theirs and the advanced. and the advanced probably know it all by now and will stick to their own forum. Meanwhile the lowly rookie has only other rookies posting in his forum and doesnt get nearly as many responses to his question from the more competant growers. I dont know of a better way but I hope there can be something out there to help the little fish in the shroomery pond.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#520887 - 01/14/02 08:04 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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 Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#520899 - 01/14/02 08:16 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thor,
I think this is a wonderful idea.
Main reason.....I see alot of people getting frustrated with newbie growers.
Maybe if you opened an Intermediate Growers Forum they wouldn't get so frustrated with newbies.
And if they wanted to help the new comers.....They could go over and help out...instead of getting frustrated and lashing out.
I agree that alot of the new growers aren't reading before asking questions that have been answered 2 days before.
I try and be friendly and answer the questions.....If i know the answers....But i can see how people could get frustrated with answering the same question over and over.
My suggestion...In the Basic Cultivation Forum.....have The first post imbeded like you do with other Important posts.
In this first post explain how to do a Search....and that many of the questions they might ask are already posted if they would just read a little of the information contained within.
Another thing that has come to mind is this......Some people do not have the luxury to spend countless hours reading informative information that is on this site.
There lives are too busy.....I am 41 and i am retired and have the luxury of having alot of spare time for my hobby.
If i can help in anyway....Please let me know.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#520915 - 01/14/02 08:35 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Great Idea! There definately needs to be a "Newbie Corner"
but one little problem will remain: repeat questions. As with
any education system, at their level, the same questions are
answered over and over. Otherwise the forum advances
with the participants, to the next level. I love the search and appreciate it and this site in general, but, there are those
who in honestly trying to promote the search, cause the
search to turn up a couple of pages of guys talking trash
to each other, instead of a serious answer. Just my
thoughts. Peace
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Edited by WakingUpLate (01/14/02 08:44 PM)
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Chemical_Smile] 1
#520918 - 01/14/02 08:36 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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chemical smile brought up a good point. new growers couldnt get the advice they need from a more experienced growers, they would be stuck in a fourm with other clueless growers
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 Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#520941 - 01/14/02 08:54 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thor,
First, thanks for this great service. I've learned a shit ton since I've been a member here. If I were you, I wouldn't have the titles of the forums basic, intermediate and advanced. This will still have people cross posting. i.e. People will still ask basic questions in the advanced forum and vice versa. Maybe make separate forums for certain topics instead of certain skill levels. That way if someone has a question about humidty, they can click on the forum that deals specifically with humidity. This should also solve the problem of too much traffic in one forum. You could have like 10 different mini forums covering maybe 3-5 topics each. Of course have a "other" forum so any topics not listed can be discussed there. It'll be hard at first coming up with every single topic and trying to set it up the most efficient way but in the long run it should solve all your problems. BTW, I like how you put in the "search before you post" link. I do agree it should be bigger and stand out a little more. That should cut down on repeat questions big time. Not that it was that big a deal to begin with. It seems like there was only 3 or 4 people getting upset about it in the first place. Take Care
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: bassplayer74]
#520964 - 01/14/02 09:12 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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theomc.com pretty much has it's boards set up this way. I like it. It would be interesting to see how it works with actual traffic.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: bassplayer74]
#520979 - 01/14/02 09:27 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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i think bassplayer has the right idea... and whoever mentioned possibly having a forum for cakes and another one for casings. the basic/intermediate/advanced forum idea would work in theory, but i'm sure that the same problems will arise that have already been stated. in the jump bar there is the --Mushrooms & Mycology-- section, i believe you should separate it and make a new --cultivation-- section which could have all the more specific topics such as bassplayer stated (ie. growing from cakes, casing, substrates & preparation, humidity, etc). good luck! it'll be interesting to see where this all takes us 
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: geokills]
#520998 - 01/14/02 09:40 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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great idea, but a lot of times no1 visits advanced cultivation, so i have to post in mushroom cultivation.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: ]
#521017 - 01/14/02 09:57 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes, this sounds very good.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: ]
#521024 - 01/14/02 10:04 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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sounds like a good idea, but i think there should be more forums for beginners: like beginners innoculation and colinization, beginners casing and caking, and beginners other general questions.......... then intermediate and advanced........ tell the beginners to stay out of intermediate and advanced and reassure them that the more advanced people will check in on them and help answer queestions....just a thought
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: bassplayer74]
#521073 - 01/14/02 10:47 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree with bassplayer, it might take a little more work to make all the forums out and such, but then it would be easy to find the information you need, quickly! also, in intermediate/advanced forums it woudln't have to be like that because it deals with much more complicated things then 'advanced humidty'...
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 Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#521149 - 01/15/02 12:08 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree with your basic idea. Like some others here, I also agree with bassplayer74. I especially like the idea of a forum that more suits where "my friends" fit in (intermediate).
Overall, a great ideal.
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Edited by Jammer (01/15/02 06:07 AM)
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Jammer]
#521255 - 01/15/02 03:30 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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THIS IS AN AWESOME IDEA.... :P
id seriously like to see this implemented.........
But there are some good ideas also from others.....
im only new here my self but have seen the repeatedivness of some questions not in just this but also the advanced forum.....
im not sure i dont really go past the first block of forums... but maybe a TEK forum would be handy unto itself.... and then have your
n00b's.... and have it moderated by Anno etc.. for then you will have the more experienced checking in on the newbies
LIKE ME!!
and so on.....
but if you could lock ppl out of advanced unless they have posted in newbie ville forum and maybe intermediate like 20 times ......
oh well
AWESOME IDEA..... PUSH THE ENVELOPE! BTW not sure if this got answered but do you take aussie dollars for donations?
i wanna help you guys out because ive learnt heaps off the site and also by just being able to access these forums and the quality of ppl in them who help eachother......
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#521269 - 01/15/02 04:19 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Good idea! Perhaps a seperate category for cakes and casings?
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 Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#521308 - 01/15/02 05:50 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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One way to cut down on the massive amount of repeat questions would be to have an archive. Similar to the one found at Mycotopia.
The main questions regarding cakes, casings, substrates, vendors, could all be archived and grouped together. That would also cut down on the need to search through 500 responses from a search engine. The most relevent, helpful posts will be archived. Just an idea!
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Supershrooomer]
#521320 - 01/15/02 06:28 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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hmm, well if theres going to be another cult forum why dont we split the two mods, i really doubt intermediate would need 2 mods. bluhoney should get to pick tho, ill take the remaining forum.
also lets not make a bunch more forums for evry little aspect of cultivation. that would just be too fractalish.
and instead of basic mushroom cultivation, perhaps call it begginners cultivation, or something hip so that begginers will stay there and not cross-post into intermediate or advanced.
ohyeah. and its going to be odd i think, begginners asking advice from other begginners? nahh, i think unless some experienced cultivators frequent the begginners forum, the most crucial function of splitting it will be flawed and evryone will just bost in intermediate anyway, if they want good answers for example... :)
one thing i DO approve of is people taking the time to suggest to the begginners to look for answers in existing posts so we dont have alot of repitition, that takes up space and gets on evryones nerves :)
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: psilocyber]
#521391 - 01/15/02 03:39 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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What you propose basically sounds like an FAQ that i slinked from the forum. (which is a good idea, imho)
As far as splitting the forums up, I agree with bassplayer. good idea.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#521401 - 01/15/02 03:47 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am not a cultivator, BUT I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express the other night.
And I must agree it sounds great to me.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#521501 - 01/15/02 05:43 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thor
I think it makes a lot of sense to break the
forum into developmental cycles.. such as
Incubation, Casings, Cakes, and Misc, for
example.. and of course leave the forum for
experienced cultivators so they willl not be
bothered by us. :)
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#521518 - 01/15/02 06:04 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Arite how about this:
Getting Started Forum : This forum is for those who have basic questions regarding the various teks, where to locate supplies, and how to set-up cultivation equipment (I.E. Incubation Chambers, Terrariums etc)
Incubation Forum: This forum is for those who have questions regarding innoculation procedures, the colonization process, and other basic questions pertaining to the incubation period during cultivation.
Fruiting Cycle Forum: This forum is for those who have questions regarding the fruiting cycle in cakes and casings, and any other questions relating to the fruiting cycle in mushroom cultivation.
Misc Forum This forum is for those who have questions which don't fall under any of the other cultivation forums.
Advanced Mushroom Cultivation : (Keep it as it is)
Anyone like????
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#521557 - 01/15/02 06:36 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think u should keep it the way it is, its great. Although I do think people should search for thier answer more before asking. This might be achived by setting up a better thread browser, I dont know. Thanks for asking anyways.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#521560 - 01/15/02 06:40 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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That does sound like a good idea...and hopefully some of the more intermediate growers who enjoying growing and helping others will still hang out in the beginner section and give some feedback.
That is the only problem I can see with splitting the 3 up...is how will the newbies get any help in the beginner forum?
If nothing but newbies hang out and post there, it will be like the blind leading the blind
I think the blinking "please search first" errr somthing is a great idea... but how about a more effective search engine.
That one that comes with wwwthreads just sucks.
everytime I go to look up information or posts from certain ppl I can hardly find it with the current search engine.
For example.... if I wanted to find info about a certain species posted by a paticular member that had been growing them, I could not input that species name and his user name to find that info. Please....I beg....Im on my knees here.....throw me a bone...or at least a better search engine
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: geokills]
#521574 - 01/15/02 06:59 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here's an idea to help make this work. I am not sure how complicated it is to implement this but I am sure some form of this idea could be implemented in one way or another.
You could make the forums accesible (TO POST NOT READ) only if you pass a quiz of some sort asking questions that you would have to know in order to be considered a a cultivator of that level.
I wouldn't think that the questions would have to be too hard or anything but just as long as they understand the basics of that forum levels info.
You could accompany the quiz with a faqs section so that the person trying to have access to the intermediate sections could go search through that and read it (learning at the same time) to find the answers to gain access to it. You could do this with all the different forum levels.
For example in order to post in the newbies forum there would be a paragraph describing the life cycle of a mushroom. Then you would have to answer a questions such as: A Tree has roots. What part of the mushroom would be comparable to roots? Answer: Mycelium
For intermediate it would be more like a paragraph about casing describing different casing methods and such. A question could be something like: What is the purpose of the casing layer? Answer: To provide additional moisture.
For advanced... maybe you wouldn't have a FAQS accompanying it so that it would be strictly for people who obviously have had enough experience that they can answer most of the questions off the top of their head. It could be a questions more like. What is the difference between rhizomorphic and tomentose growth? or maybe something about agar.
I know these questions were pretty poorly worded and such but it was just to give you an idea. Obviously you would have multiple questions to gain access to the other forums. they could be multiple choice type questons and you have to get a certain precentage right in order to be able to post in the forum not necesarily them all right.
The problem with doing this on just a post number count like some people would suggest is that there are many people that have already been growing for years that have just stumbled upon the shroomery. Also there are a lot of people that just post endlessly in OTD that have thousands of posts and have never even grown a single mushroom.
Again I just want to point out that this would be purely to allow you to post not to let you read it. All members should have access to read all the forums.
Oh well just a basic idea for you to expand on and alter as you see fit....OR totally ignore. hehehe.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Trail_Blazer]
#521634 - 01/15/02 08:02 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree Trail_Blazer!! This is what I meant in my post. Thanks for putting some more detail to it. Over some time maybe a couple more forums could be added if the "Misc" forum gets too crowded. And I also agree with the imbedded post idea. It should encourage newbies to search before they post and also it should contain links to a few of the most informative documents and web sites. It should also warn newbies that if they ask a question that can easily be found by searching or reading a posted document, then they might be criticized in some way.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Karen]
#521679 - 01/15/02 08:50 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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although a little complicated... i like karen's idea 
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Karen]
#521713 - 01/15/02 09:26 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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I really like Karen's idea of a quiz to allow posting access to certain forums. This would both teach one how to use the search feature along with learning various information about cultivation etc. Read access should of course be allowed in all forums. I think this would really solve the problem of duplicate postings and posting in the wrong forum.
I see a few main problems with this place.
1. Repeat postings
2. Very Unspecific / General subject titles (making the search feature obsolete in some cases)
3. Not so friendly to newbies
I think the repeat postings and unspecific/general subject title problem could be helped quite a bit with more specified forums for various growing methods/stages. For example, if there was a specific forum on "casing" how many people would make their subject "casing question" knowing already they are posting in a casing forum. People would hopefully be more direct with their subjects making it both easier to find information and answer questions.
The not so friendly to newbies bit is obvious. Oops somebody made the mistake of posting a question that was posted 10 million years ago or 2 seconds ago (it really doesn't matter) and the response is basically "Search for it yourself" - don't waste the time of the established people on this forum. Well hell if you're going to spend the time to bitch them out give them a link and let them know how you found the info so they'll know next time. Unfortunately, half the time I've spent using the search feature is searching for what it is exactly that I'm trying to search for. For instance, if I'm a newbie and have a casing question...I dare not type in "casing", "casing question", "casing tek" or "casing methods" for fear of pulling up hundreds and hundreds of entries to be sifted through. Giving newbies suggestions on searching for specific info and making their subject titles for questions more specific is much more helpful and useful in the longrun.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Karen]
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My hat is off to you Karen!
I LOVE THAT IDEA OF A PRE_TEST of one's knowledge to get acess to certain forums.
ALL AT ONCE NOW (in support of Karen's idea) .... DO I HEAR AN:
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Jammer]
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AAAAAAmmenn!!!
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Matty_Rulez]
#521966 - 01/16/02 02:17 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do people like newbies? Cause if they dont I think karens idea is the way to go (no offence karen). I know that when I was just starting out that if I would have had to take a quiz to be able to ask questions somewhere, I would have found someplace else to ask questions. But I guess this goes both ways, it helps weed out the lazy like myself. Personally I didnt even know the search option existed until a few days ago (j/k), but seriously I didnt know what the thing was for, it was just kind of there.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Karen]
#522001 - 01/16/02 02:45 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Damn, I just came in today and was gonna reccomend something like that, but that sneaky Karen (whom I don't know at all) beat me to it! 
I was just going to reccomend some type of rating system, perhaps from a graded quiz or something like that. The problem with a quiz would be cheaters, and the info is readily available to fill in most any question you could put on it. (unless it was timed or something like that...) Some type of rating would definately be good though.
I could serve as a tester, as I should surely be barred from posting in both the advanced and intermediate forums.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Ulysees]
#522007 - 01/16/02 02:54 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Also, maybe there should be a rating (an extremely low rating) that you have to aquire before you can even post in the beginner forum. If you were limited to the search function for a little while, you'd find everything you needed. (Unless those newbie style questions dried up over time...)
Most people just post their questions because it's less work than searching and they think "what's my little question about grinding brown rice going to hurt?". Maybe this has already been mentioned? (blahblahblah did in fact mention something like this.) I just jumped in here... (am I contributing to the plague?) heh
That might cut down the repeat rate drastically on its own.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#522010 - 01/16/02 03:01 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thor
What a great idea mate.
Good ideas from everyone I can't wait to get involved and try Mushroom Cultivation. I know which section I would go for.
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1. Basic Mushroom Cultivation - For growers who are new to this hobby, if you've never grown before this is the forum for you.
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Best of luck and I hope everyone will do the right thing and go with the flow.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: World Spirit]
#522203 - 01/16/02 09:30 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm more partial to the forums by subject as opposed to the forums by experience...Certainly you should add an intermediate group, but The beginner's forum could just be broken down into forums dealing with the most frequently asked "newbie" questions. That way people can post their knowledge in specific forums instead of spending hours reading all of the day's new posts and responding to the one's they want to...It might help to get more people posting information and less people posting angry responses...
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: puscle]
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Fantazee]
#522318 - 01/16/02 11:04 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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>but The beginner's forum could just be broken down into
>forums dealing with the most frequently asked "newbie"
>questions.
How about a "Basic Cultivation FAQ",
first question being "I?m totaly new to this whole thing, where should I start?",
second: "Which cultivation method yields the most mushrooms?" and the
third: "Which is more potent, stems or caps?"
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#522440 - 01/16/02 01:03 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey Thor what if u created an accts system, like u can't log onto certain mess boards unless ur acct is say 6 months old, then at like a year old u can log onto the advanced section, and so on i dunno but i do agree we neeed to improve on our community cause some people with wonderful ideas get bitched at and yelled at from jealous and frustrated people, thats not kewl ya know. BUT i definetly like the idea of a acct system!
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#522452 - 01/16/02 01:12 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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MY 2 CENTS.....i think that having a casing and cake forum would really be beneficial.
and just a thought but if people who have never cultivated before all post in one forum i think there would be too much temtation for them to double post in an intermediate forum for the sake of having their question answered by someone besides a person who also has never cultivated before. so if we do create a forum for beginners it will be up to the more experienced growers to frequent that forum in order to help the beginners or they will simply migrate to the intermediate forum and begin posting there.
just my 2 cents!!
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#522475 - 01/16/02 01:28 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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* [ The aspects of growing ]
* Casing
* Caking
* Incubation
* Fruiting
* Picking
* Taking prints
* Drying
* [ Advanced techniques ]
* Agar transfers
* Compost "fiddling" ( whatever :) )
* [ Recepies ]
* Share cake recepies
* Share casing substrate recepies
* [ Sharing ]
* Fruiting chamber ideas
* Incubation ideas
* Hide from mom ideas for all the newbies ;)
* Pictures of progress
I don't know, but splitting it up (something) like this has a couple of advantages. Go figure ;)
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Ulysees]
#522560 - 01/16/02 02:39 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Personally, I am partial to the forum by subject as well, with separation of experience. The whole Bassplayer concept i believe. The restriction on who can post where is a good idea too, but if some one in the beginner forum was having problems getting an answer to his / her question, maybe they could be given an option to request a post in a higher forum for response. This may be getting too complicated though. Hopefully, the higher ups would just check up on the kids.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#522576 - 01/16/02 02:56 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Permanant F.A.Q. sticky top post of the cultivation forum. Make it just cover the 20 most comminly asked newbie questions. Then if they still ask a question that's up there, we say read the FAQ ASS!
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Shaw]
#522610 - 01/16/02 03:38 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Adding a new fourum sound like a good idea to me. I like the FAQ thing a lot too. There are SOOOOOOO many repeat posts that many experianced cultivators get sick of answering over and over again. People need to learn how two use the "SEARCH" function as well.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Humidity]
#522626 - 01/16/02 04:01 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok so who would like to work on making a FAQ of the most common questions?
Also lets try to find out what people prefer........
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#522898 - 01/16/02 09:01 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think a link to a FAQ at the top of each forum is a great idea. I think a test to be able to enter specific forums is a bad idea mainly because it would be too hard to implement. It would also be a pain in the ass and it would cause people to go elsewhere. And I don't think you should make people wait 6 months or a year to access certain areas. Nobody would do that. What if someone who's already grown a few times finds these forums? Are we gonna make them wade through beginner forums for a year before they can move on to bigger and better things? I really don't think the forums should be labelled by skill level. I think as long as there is a comprehensive and updated FAQ at the top of each forum there won't be any more problems. And I think you should keep the "Search Before You Post" banner at the top of each forum as well.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#522949 - 01/16/02 10:14 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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The only problem I see is that to have a foroum forj ust Newbies isn't going to help them. If you have the knowledge that Newbies need, why would you be in that forum. Their questions would most likely go unanswered. I think were all here to learn but no one is specifically here to teach so my thoughts are that we must leave it as it is.
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#522953 - 01/16/02 10:18 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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some of the cultivation questions make me wonder. did people grow prior to the internet. to make a long story short, read a book, research in silence, quit asking for easy answers and learn from alternate sources. ---wasted words already been heard---
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: COZMKSTRCHLD]
#522987 - 01/16/02 10:59 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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There are many different teks, alot of conflitcing theories, and alot of alternative ways in the mycology field. We have alot of assholes fighting as it is. To break up according to experience, (ie. beginner, intermediate, advanced) will only cause more problems. I guarantee when someone disagrees, The words "maybe you belong in the beginner forum" will be said..... Thoes are insulting words, they look down on individuals, and it will cause more fighting than good.. Im all for the categories. (ie. substrate section, sterilization section, colonization section, tips n tricks section, and fruiting section) or something like that
But mark my words "You belong in the beginner forum" Will be said
but however it works out, ill still be reading
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: rottenhead]
#523034 - 01/16/02 11:42 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Good Point.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#523078 - 01/17/02 12:52 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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>Ok so who would like to work on making a FAQ of the most common questions?
I?d be willing to contribute to the FAQ, I?m sure we can compilate something usefull.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Anno]
#523082 - 01/17/02 12:54 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks Anno! You have to win an award for all the help you give on the boards
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Anno]
#523084 - 01/17/02 12:56 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yo the man Anno!!
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#523181 - 01/17/02 04:27 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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I definetely like the idea of a sticky FAQ...that would solve a lot of problems with people getting frustrated at the newbies for asking the same question that has been answered 9,000 times.... although I believe if there was an intermediate forum then cross posting would raise a great deal.
Seperate forums for the aspects of cakes, casings, humidification, etc.. is a good idea...bascially I think we should split the basic cultivation into a couple categories and leave advanced how it is.
Perhaps we could have a seperate FAQ for each basic cultivation category.. i.e - Cakes FAQ, Casings FAQ..
Just some thoughts
Dioze...lay off Thor... He's doing his best to make this a better community and frankly he's doing a damn good job. The whole reason he even posted this thread is for feedback...and that is what happened.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#523182 - 01/17/02 04:27 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thor,
I feel I OWE you an apology. I Apologise for flipping out. You know I never do that. I have/do defend you and your efforts on a regular bases. Again, my apologies. I took it wrong, I suppose.
Dioze1
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Dioze...lay off Thor... He's doing his best to make this a better community and frankly he's doing a damn good job. The whole reason he even posted this thread is for feedback...and that is what happened.
Yes, I know why he posted it here. It is the same reason ot was posted in the Mod forum. It is just that NO ONE there has heard back from him there(when the original post by me was made) and it seemed that our ideas were not being given any thought.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#523435 - 01/17/02 11:09 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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A temporary list.
Please post more questions you think would be suitable.
Basics:
I?m completely new to this, where do I start?
How can I grow lots of shrooms, fast?
Which tek is the best for the beginner?
Which is better - cakes or casings?
Where can I order spores?
What is the difference between a spore print and a spore syringe?
Which spore strain should I order?
Where can I order supplies?
Do I need a pressure cooker?
Can I sterilize in my microwave?
Can I sterilize in the oven?
Do mushrooms need light to grow?
What is the best temperature for growth?
What is the best humidity for growth?
How do I make a sporeprint?
How do I make a spore syringe?
Which is better - fresh or dry mushrooms?
How much weight do the mushrooms loose when drying?
How do I dry mushrooms?
Can I freeze fresh mushroms?
How do I store mushrooms?
Contamination:
How do I tell contamination from mycelium?
Casing:
Why do I want a casing?
What is the best casing?
How do I initiate pinning?
What is the best temperature for my casing?
What is the best humidity for my casing?
Will misting cause pins to abort?
Grain:
Why should I use whole grain?
Does grain have to be pressurecooked?
What is the best grain method?
Agar:
Why do I want to use agar?
Where can I order agar?
How do I prepare agar?
For how long can I store agar plates?
The rest:
How many shrooms will I need to (trip, level 5, etc.)?
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Anno]
#523450 - 01/17/02 11:24 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Awesome Anno..
Maybe in the FAQ you could include links to the MMGG and rye teks and such
Edited by Shroomism (01/17/02 11:26 AM)
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: ]
#523543 - 01/17/02 01:38 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Some more:
How do I provide humidity to the mushrooms?
What is the most suitable fruiting container?
When do I harvest mushrooms?
How do I harvest mushrooms?
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Anno]
#523562 - 01/17/02 02:21 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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You could have one FAQ for every forum, e.g. Drying/Storing shrooms FAQ, Agar FAQ, casing FAQ and so forth. Probably makes it easier maintaining them.
Maintaining is important here. It should be easy to update so we see rapid changes if changes is needed. Perhaps a file dynamically parsed into HTML from another language (e.g. made-up+php, xml+xslt or the like). Easier to update XML than HTML in my opinion.
I'm really eager to see changes here :-)) *happy*
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: phrozendata]
#523693 - 01/17/02 05:16 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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>I think you must have noticed the FAQ I started to work on and posted in the suggestions fourm
Off course I read it, that?s why I posted in the thread you mentioned
" [re: phrozendata]
I added some of your questions to the ones I allready had, here is a temporary list"
Anyway, this is just a brainstorming for ideas which questions to include and how to get the whole thing going.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#523713 - 01/17/02 05:40 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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In general this would be a great idea, but the major problems would not be solved.. im just going to rehash a little on what has allready been said:
Repeat questions, NOONE SEARCHES!.. newbies dont read the faq's, think that they are gods gift to mankind, and post inane questions.. then get pissed when people dont answer them.. its very frustrating and detracts from the forums..
Perhaps an "invite only" to post in adv. cult... that way there would never be a problem with improper postings there.. for the newbies, well.. please please please do your homework.. perhaps a quiz to post period would be a good idea.. I know that reading is the bane of many of the existances of the young highschoolers who frequent here, but get over it.. if you dont read, your mind will never go as far as if you do.. .. and damnit, its about mushrooms.. you should at least have some interested if your plan on posting here!...
anyway..
its a good idea.. i think that some sort of regulation to post in adv. forums would be a good idea..
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: COZMKSTRCHLD]
#523718 - 01/17/02 05:45 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: phrozendata]
#523788 - 01/17/02 07:23 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Agreed Phrozendata
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I am new here and I just want to say as a prequel to me saying anything I gotta say so far this place rocks and I wouldn't mind if it stayed just how it is, but if you wanted to change it I like the invite only to the adv. form to encourage people to contribute if they are helping the newbes (no hidden agenda coming from the newbe :) then they should be asked to join the advanced area based on contributions and have to remain a contributing member to stay there, so basically draw the line of advanced and beginner based on if they are asking questions or answering them.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#523999 - 01/17/02 11:09 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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I like the idea of breaking the forums down into subjects instead of experience level, as well as the FAQ, I would also like to suggest a link to glossary of terms at the top of each forum. Additionally, I've seen several different versions posted of the "Ultimate Myco Directory" or some such title, this could be given it's own link in the same area as the FAQs and a glossary. These all should be very helpful to newbies and might slow down redundant posts (in theory).
P.S. As it is now, the Shroomery is one hell of a great web site. To all those who contribute and make it what it is, I thank you.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: ]
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I forgot to mention before, I have one problem with the forum by topic.. how many forums do you expect us to read? The loading time alone for the forum window can be annoying enough with one.. and the turnover for questions being answered would, I think, go down significantly.. keeping up with one or two takes a considerable effort.. let alone 10.. I understand the posts would be spread out.. but then you have problems which bridge two, three,.. , all of the subjects.. where do those go?.. the current division seems to make the most sense to me.. look at the traffic right now in adv. its not excessive, but its slowly being supplemented with newbie questions.. if you split this down there would be no activity.. one - two posts per week per subject.. yes cult would be different, but its posts are greatly inflated by the same questions over and over.
I personally feel I would read the cult. forum more frequently if it wasnt for the abhorant redundancy and ignorance which is unfortunately showcased there.. It really is a shame, we were ALL beginners once.. why can't we help them learn too?...
anyway..
heres one vote for skill level forums vs subject forums
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#524575 - 01/18/02 01:17 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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I can help compile questions, but I'm not particularly experienced at answering them.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: wingnutx]
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could i get a brief summary of what's going on in the last 6 or 7 pages? please.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#525514 - 01/19/02 11:38 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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So there are several objectives:
1. Avoid redundancy (this goes for beginners and all those 'advanced' growers talking about flow hoods and humidifiers'
2. Make knowledge more easily accessible (let the beginners find all their answers in an archive, subdivided by topics, and the intermediate forum is a great idea, and should be specifically non-pf tek teks I think)
3. Check out www.mycotopia.net, they have something like thois, but could be better done
3. Further
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: KitMarlowe]
#525606 - 01/19/02 01:14 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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if you think shroomerys hard on newbies, dont goto mycotopia. theyll drive you outta the hobby fast.
heres my 2 cents on the board disscusion: instead of newbie board, how about Brown Rice Flour/Rye Board? those are usually the first 2 teks beginners take on anyway and if they get through that alls good. and with all the posters at the shroomery any questions should be taken care of. if no one helps out the newbies then this site sucks. listen to yourselves bitching like a bunch of cunts over answering a humidity question! and if you cant be bothered to answer newbie questions, why are we here at all? i thought the whole point of the shroomry was to get your Qs answered, and if ppl wanna start telling newbies to look the answer up themselves then i suggest they take there own advice. if we want to be a bunch of impatient pricks i say we apply it evenly. with this going on id say wed quickly run out of a reason to even have the boards. sounds like some dont even want a newbie board, and if thats the real aim then have some balls and spell it out. im not blessed with alot of free time either but i can answer a few Qs without it pissing me off. i ook at it like this: good parent want to set there kids up better than they were. im not asking to adopt anyone but the quicker they get there Qs answered the quicker they can join the elitest asshole boards and take shots at the less knowledgable like others in this thread. you dont solve the problem of the poor by killing them.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Peyotl]
#526078 - 01/19/02 11:36 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Peyotl, I think you're confused.
First of all, the reason that many of us are unhappy is because we see the same question asked again and again. If all the novice growers here knew about the search function and how to use it the problem would be automatically solved. Unfortunatly, that just isn't going to happen. Out main goal here is to compile a list of commonly asked questions and give the best possible answers in a single document that will be know as the offical shroomery mushroom cultivation FAQ (or something like that). Anytime we see the questions we can link them to that very FAQ. Hopefully newbies will read this before they post and get many of there answers questions before they need to ask them and annoy us. Just so you have an idea of the type of questions we are talking about some of the most common are:
Who is the best vendor?
What is the best Psilocybe Cubensis strain?
What is a spore print? What is a spore syringe? What is the difference?
My spore syringe looks clear, is it okay?
Who is the best vendor?
What is the best tek?
etc. etc. etc.
You see, we are not at all bothed at helping wiht any questions or concerncs other might have, we were all newbies once, but we dont feel like answering all those questions over and over and over.
Moreover, I think a BRF/DRF tek. board discussion is way too limiting. We might as well just call it a beginners cultivation fourm and kill two birds with one stone (or in this case, thread).
Theres my 0.02
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Peyotl]
#526103 - 01/19/02 11:55 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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i dont mind easing peoples minds and helping people be patient or the correct timing of birthing, and other finer case-by-case basis questions, but...how can you possibly condone a question like "whats the difference between a spore print and syringe?" That is downright pathetic.
I think something that we are all forgetting here is that this is not " the grow your own houseplantery" this is a board on psychadelic mushroom cultivation...if you are too dumb to figure out even the most basic questions,then YOU SHOULDNT BE GROWING/EATING SHROOMS. you may think that when some of us flame that we are just eing assholes for the sake of it, but think of it this way: those morons we flame have always been the reason that things like shrooms are illegal, and may be the reason that spores may be banned in the future.
Think about that next time i tell someone to use the search engine and you get on my ass...(you know who you are)
can i get an amen?
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: phrozendata]
#526299 - 01/20/02 03:28 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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The FAQ is being worked on aggressively as we speak. Once we can get that up it will be a great start to helping remove the redundant questions in this forum.
As for the splitting up of forums I'm still unsure of the best suggestion, maybe the FAQ will solve many of the problems without the need for a forum split....
But keep the ideas coming, I'm sure we can figure a good solution with all the smart people here
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#526383 - 01/20/02 05:31 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Is it possible to require as a part of the registration process, at least a visit to the FAQ page? I realize there would be no way to ensure they read it, but at least they would know it's there.
Perhaps on the forum page, put the various forums in he following order... FAQ, Vendors, Contams, Mush Pics, Cultivation, Advanced, Spore Exchange, Hunting, Gourmet.
This might help those that are too lazy to look find there answers before posting.
And to fresh357.... AMEN!!
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 Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#526472 - 01/20/02 10:35 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is a very firtile thread with some nice ideas.
I think the FAQ would be very useful, as a newbie, I would have found that very helpful. Perhaps it would be possible to incorporate an archive into the FAQ to make it easier to write (and more extensive).
In order to help the beginners post I think it would be good if some users(anno puscleetc), who were willing to frequent the begginers board could be nominated for a experienced grower user account, so that beginners would have someone to ask questions to. Then newbies would have a reliable source of information in the newbie forum.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Zip_lock]
#526559 - 01/20/02 12:48 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not sure I have too much input on how the forums should be split. I think that I like how they are setup now. If anything I think I would like to see it split down to Beginner, Novice and Advance cultivation. The only thing we would be acheiving is one new forum in which one is for totall beginner questions are asked and another where novice questions are asked after people have a firm understanding of the various teks. However, I see the problem that whatever forum becomes the most popular all the questions will just pile in there. Beginner questions in the novice forum and vice vera. I think that, if at all possible, we should try and keep the setup that we have right now. Hopefully, some more of you will comment on this matter and give your $0.02.
Do it, for the community.
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 Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#526640 - 01/20/02 02:41 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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1.) Rely on a well written faq. q's that are in the faq or in teks (obvious questions that have been documented somewhere else than in a thread on the bbs) get locked with a link to the appropriate document (or not, could just get locked). The search function, while seemingly popular, is not the most efficent way to glean information. The best is to ask someone (which, is too much now). The second best is to find your question already answered in a static document. Its not fair to newbies to ask them just to rely on the search function, since it often brings up invalid information, unfinished answers and debates, and sometimes wrong answers.
2.) Dont use scare tactics, or make them jump thru hoops. They wont join. And yes, we want them to join, new people mean new hobbiests... i dont want it to be too controlled in there- i mean, there is a very steep learning curve as to this hobby, and i do get irritated at silly questions, or people who try and reinvent the wheel (can i use marijuana as a substrate... etc.) But, you also dont want to scare away the newbies, or make it so people are afraid to register and post. Especially if this site wants to get serious about finding funding: the traffic this place generates is enormous, a marketing dream. 18-24 year old white males...the ad execs/counterculture sites are creaming their pants now. Its NOT selling out to pay the bills. but ive already said my peace/piece on that, so... next point...
3.) Moving questions to a newbie "already answered" forum will just cause no one to visit that forum, even the expereinced who frequent mc. If i had my q moved to a trashpile without explanation id be sad. Cry for days, i tell you.
4.) Locking threads may be a good idea (more work, more mods needed.) Then again, 2 mods for mc and 3 for adv cult? Seems the busiest forum (that doesnt allow for free-speech rights, otd) should have more mods to take care of the problem. This is NOT a slam on the mods here- its just too fucking busy for 2 people. i think all the mods do a nice job here. /end ass sucking, apparently.
5.) Encourage people to use the "notify mod" button- this way redundant questions could be dealt with (locked, moved, etc.) without the mods having to scour each and every thread (and theres a lot)...
6.) Encourage reading of relevant materials by dedicating a button or link to the grow/find page, and keep it updated. (the g/f). Theres no link to the "outside world", shroomery.com, or its touted teks (where all the answers can be found). I notice when i want to know something, i have to go all the way out to the main page, and into grow/find. (i dont access the bbs thru the main page). If it were easier to find, and if the material were updated- then perhaps we wouldnt have so many posts about things that have been answered in faq/tek form.
7.) Encourage members to retool old teks. Enlist us to revamp grow/find, since many teks in there arent worth the html theyre written in. KUDOS TO ANNO for his pf writeup. shtuff like that is necessary. If people wanna bitch about things, then have THEM make it better by contributing some time and effort here.
8.) Make me queen for a day.
That is all. ::grin::
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: oscill8]
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#526767 - 01/20/02 05:21 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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After some further thought on my part I don't think it would be a bad idea to leave the forums the way they are as long as there is a permanant post at the top of each forum that says "Read this FAQ before you post any questions here or someone will come to your home and give you a wedgie!" This will also be much easier to implement. Nothing to change except to add a FAQ. At least you could try it this way first before you go and change the forums all around eh?
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go for it!
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Sterile]
#528082 - 01/22/02 09:46 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree with bassplayer, add a FAQ page and see how things go.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: emptyvessel]
#528086 - 01/22/02 09:48 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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O, and I think if the search engine was better it would make things all the more goood. Those two things I think would be the most influential.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: emptyvessel]
#528087 - 01/22/02 09:49 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, actually this sounds like a good start. Maybe that is all what is needed.
Hows things going for the FAQ? Where can you see/submit new questions? I would like to help, but still I need to see what is in there first.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#528266 - 01/22/02 01:24 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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This idea sounds good, but will any more experienced growers "drop in" on the newbie forum to lend support? I have found that the folks with experience to be an invaluable resource. I don't want to lose their input.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#528947 - 01/23/02 08:31 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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That sounds like a great Idea
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Mushroom_Madness]
#528955 - 01/23/02 08:48 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well this thread has been up for a while now, thank you to all of you for your thoughts.
I will try to make a decision soon, honestly my mind has been changed a few times throughout this thread.
Thanks to Oscill8 and Anno the FAQ is coming along very nicely and we may just start off by adding that to see if it reduces the traffic in the forum.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#528956 - 01/23/02 08:50 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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oops
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Re: better search engine [Re: Thor]
#557391 - 02/20/02 11:03 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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if the search engine would just find the original posts instead of all the repleys we could look through the topics much quicker; also if the search button link was on the main index page; the link would bring you to another page and have the option of which forum(s) you would like the search engine to look in and some other options like who is the poster.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Thor]
#557502 - 02/20/02 01:45 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Instead of having an off fourm faq page, like now. And putting a huge post with the top questions make several sticky "mock" posts. Make up a username and post the question have the top shroomery members reply to it. I think this approach would work a lot better then the search or off fourm faq (the style the faq is now). Also it would work out better then one long faq type post as it would be easier to sit and read
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: windex]
#4238390 - 05/30/05 10:42 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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I agree that there should be three levels, and suggest that there be a quiz scripted in for each one. Your user in the DB as a field "cult level" 0,1,2, each being allowed to access one more level up on the cult forum level scheme. pass the quiz to get 1, and maybe a tougher quiz or the approval of a mod for level 2 access.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: CrazyBusiness]
#4238415 - 05/30/05 10:53 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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I see a problem with a beginner thread, it is that once a cultivator feels they're no longer a beginner they'll move to a dif. thread, and there will be no one around to help out the noobs! Then the noobs will just migrate, to a thread where their questions get answered.
Also I feel like the FAQ is amazing here already, and more emphasis should just be placed on reading everything under the Cultivation FAQ at least.. I saw a suggestion of having to at least browse through the FAQ to become a member, that isn't a bad idea, IMHO.. One thing to keep in mind is that people do make mistakes, or take too many bong hits, and forget everything they read.. I think in most cases this is where the repeat questions come from..
To summarize, I think more emphasis should be placed on reading the FAQ, and using the Search, but otherwise everything seem fine around the Forum to me!
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: Kalix]
#4238902 - 05/31/05 03:27 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wow, you brought this one up from the vaults eh?
I don't have time to read all of the posts, but it reminded me of a suggestion I was going to make.
I think it would be good to have an "Outdoors Culivators" forum, and an "Indoors Cultivators" forum.
I just seams there are still a significant number of threads about Outdoor growing, and they usually have to state that in the subject.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: CLUTCH]
#4238911 - 05/31/05 03:33 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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I also concur.
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Re: Important - All Cultivators please read. [Re: CLUTCH]
#4238912 - 05/31/05 03:35 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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The few posts about outdoor cultivation don't warrant an extra discussion forum.
Besides, there is an indoor step(s) to every outdoor cultivation.
And, this thread is 3 years old, most points in it are not up to date any more, as today we DO have a cultivation FAQ
www.shroomery.org/faq
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