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Offlinestaindblue
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Re: A Challenge For The Cultivation Forum [Re: ]
    #840938 - 08/24/02 05:58 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

Please people, Let's not fight. The gauntlet has been thrown down so let's pick it up and accept the challenge. When i first heard about vermiculite disappearing i thought that can't be i've gotten it at all the places they said wouldn't carry it no more so i made it a point to look at these places even though i didn't need it.
Walmart in my hood doesn't carry it no more or the jiffy 50/50 + that i used to like doing my casing with. I didn't ask why, I can't get it there end of story. Home Depot doesn't carry it (in my hood) anymore.Now this didn't just happen either; It's been awhile now. Lowes still carries it and that's where i get it. I'm not sure what's happening but I do believe something is going on.
I've seen a lot of Great ideas here that i'm eager to try THANKS TO EVERYONE!!
And this is an excellent challenge even if getting vermiculite isn't a problem!!
THANKS ALIEN!!


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Re: A Challenge For The Cultivation Forum [Re: staindblue]
    #841063 - 08/24/02 07:12 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

I don't buy it anymore, but there is no shortage of vermiculite here; Home depot, Fred Meyer, many local hardware stores. Whole grain [birdseed, eg] is a nice thing to shoot for; Fewer sticky dishes, fewer but larger jars. . .anyway.

No smack toward the PF tek, it is a reliable, simple way to do things--especially if you want to experiment; You can easily have 12 different jars, each treated differently or made up of slightly different stuff. . .many possibilities. Not to mention the lack of care required!

One thing we have a lot of is shredded paper; The cris-cross cut type, not the long strips. Combined [maybe] with Soil-Moist [polyacrylamide, aka 'water crystals']. I think the mycelium will suck the paper dry without something else added, though.

As mentioned before, cardboard is a possibility; If it's moistened, most cubes will colonize it just fine. Dunno how to get it into PF-shape, though


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Re: A Challenge For The Cultivation Forum [Re: Suntzu]
    #841227 - 08/24/02 09:05 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

The Raccoon is not into "cakes", prefering to use bulk spawn, substrates & casings.

However, the answer to the verm replacement question is:

One word................." Diatomite".

AKA ........................diatomaceous earth.

Use the google search engine & punch in Diatomite for more info than you ever want to know.

It is rock solid safe. If you eat grain or cerial products? You eat minute amounts every day & have all your life, as have your parents. If you use any vegtable oil, cooking oil, olive oil or drink beer or fruit juice? Diatomite is what it was filtered through.

It is "inert", will withstand temps to almost 2500 degree's & will asbsorb more than it's weight in liquid.

You can get it in bulk at any swimming pool supply place. They use it as a water filtation medium.

Nuff said : SixTango


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Re: A Challenge For The Cultivation Forum [Re: SixTango]
    #841230 - 08/24/02 09:07 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

Any leftovers could be used as dessicant...


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Re: A Challenge For The Cultivation Forum [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #841667 - 08/25/02 05:21 AM (18 years, 30 days ago)

...or a snack?


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Re: A Challenge For The Cultivation Forum [Re: ]
    #841783 - 08/25/02 08:13 AM (18 years, 30 days ago)



Pest & insect infestations are a problem for grain & cerial producers (duhhh). Small insects like gnats, flies, flea's, nemitods and such (even cockroach's) -- do not have a "gut" similar to larger animals or humans. They control their internal body fluid content via a "waxy" outer coating.

One property of Diatomite is that, it will evisorate that coating, causing tiny insects to dehydrate & die. A small insect upon contact with Diatomite will attempt to get away from Diatomite quick --, knowing it will kill them. Just like a human reflex to pull your finger away -- quickly -- when you touch a hot stove burner by accident.

So, in effect -- while harmless to humans & larger life forms -- Diatomite -- functions as a mechanical insectifuge and/or insecticide with regards to tiny insects.

Grain & cerial producers have known this for over 50 years. Those raw grain and cerial commodities are most prone to insect infestations after harvest, in bulk storage -- or shipping. The USDA ( & Canadian counterpart) allow a very small percentage of "foreign" matter in "raw" grain & cerial products.

In grain & cerial producing area's -- you may have noted huge piles of grain -- stored outside -- covered with tarps -- with tires to hold the tarps in place? You might also have noticed huge silo's & storage bins (duhhhh)..

Ever wonder what is used to keep insects from infesting them?

You sure as-- Death Valley California -- is hot -- cannot -- use toxic chemical insecticides into food commodities to protect them, as those chemicals are "toxic" to humans.

Diatomite is introduced into these raw commodities in amounts so small it comes under the foreign matter "exception" allowable by law to help keep insects from infestion those raw commodities. Once Diatomite is "in" them. It cannot be removed. So it gets processed along with the commodity into whatever end product the commodity is made into --- ie, all grain & cerial products you eat -- every day.

The net result is, the whole US population have been eating Diatomite since about 1930 in almost every grain & cerial product they consume.

This stuff is so safe, the only way it would harm you is, if you were buried under tons of it & suffocated .

The Raccoon has used it in both substrates & casing from the day he started.

Live & learn.

SixTango



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Edited by SixTango (08/26/02 07:02 AM)


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Re: A Challenge For The Cultivation Forum [Re: SixTango]
    #842196 - 08/25/02 02:12 PM (18 years, 30 days ago)

damn u know alot about that stuff. so how much does this stuff cost exactly? also, if i were adapting the pf tek to use it, how much of this would i use? same as i would use vermiculite (1/2 cup i think)?


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Re: A Challenge For The Cultivation Forum [Re: grandmastaj]
    #843196 - 08/26/02 12:44 AM (18 years, 29 days ago)

Im sorry Ive got to ask why Capt max hasnt been banned by now - everything that comes out of his mouth is just plain misinformation.
If you have a verm barrier and holes in your lid and you are innoculating with a syringe why would you bother taking the lid off - increasing the chances significantly of contamination - when its not necessary??
Why max would you be using a verm seal if your working with rye grain? Agar wedge innoculation would be impossible with a verm seal. You make it so obvious every time that you speak that you really know nothing about mushroom cultivation.
Your quote regarding lines on spore prints demonstrates an obvious ignorance of exactly how and where the spores of a mushroom are generated from. Your lack of lines is a sign of high humidity causing smudging - a breading ground for contaminants. Keep studying max, one day you'll get there...


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Re: A Challenge For The Cultivation Forum [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #843407 - 08/26/02 04:44 AM (18 years, 29 days ago)

bluemeanie, you prove your self stupider everytime you resume your pathetic little smear campaign.

I never said I use a verm barrier on grain, thats you making up bullshit as usual.

If there are contaminants in your air, do you think they are so big as too not fit into your 4 holes? Try working in a clean workplace, you won't have to worry so much about your air and you can take the lid right off, quickly innocultae and put the lid back on. Much easier than screwing around with multiple holes and tape.

My lack of lines? What the hell bullshit are you talking about now? You should be banned for lying so much around here, I never said I had any lack of lines you bullshitter! If I'm making a print and just want lines, all I have to do is remove the cap after a couple hours. I've made hundreds of spore prints, don't try to tell me what they look like.


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    #843418 - 08/26/02 04:53 AM (18 years, 29 days ago)



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Re: A Challenge For The Cultivation Forum [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #843421 - 08/26/02 04:55 AM (18 years, 29 days ago)

If one of you(blue,max) posts in this thread again, he gets a 7 days ban. You have been warned.


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Re: A Challenge For The Cultivation Forum [Re: SixTango]
    #843737 - 08/26/02 09:32 AM (18 years, 29 days ago)

Not totally true , a friend in pest control industry says that long term exposure breathing in fine dust of it can be harmful to lungs , no it will not kill you , but can cause asthma like symptoms , pnemonia can form in those who have lung problems . SO WEAR A MASK WHEN HANDELING !


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Re: A Challenge For The Cultivation Forum [Re: tripndicular]
    #843793 - 08/26/02 09:55 AM (18 years, 29 days ago)

After wasting as little time as possible going through this section of the BB , I will now say Tripmeister had it right. Horse poo and spawn. Peace.


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