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Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum?
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Do you believe a website about magic mushrooms should have an Other Drugs forum?


Should we have an Other Drugs forum at the Shroomery?
1. Yes.
2. No.




Votes accepted from the dawn of the universe until the end of time

View the results of this poll


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Thor]
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Also here are some more discussions about this issue, one in OTD.

I've been thinking - *update* - Other Drugs Poll added

Also in the Other Drugs forum

Should the Shroomery have this forum?

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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Thor]
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I doubt very much that the existance of the "Other Drugs Forum" is contributing to the recent tragedies of late. Our young precious friends chose their own paths, much to our regret.
If a few carefully placed comments or warnings were offered to the less experienced, perhaps the next tragedy could be avoided, making the forums presence all worthwhile.

Perhaps it already has....

Shdwstr

To our past friends - May your souls fly with the angels in peace!


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Shdwstr]
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Shdwstr,

I just want to clarify this early.. Nobody is saying that this place holds any blame for what happened, or that not having the other drugs forum could have prevented it. Emotions have run high and at the end of the topics, Ive kinda muddled up the issues in my very long ramblings. That just lit a fire under my ass to actually say something, this concern is not a new one.


The concern I have is, is the shroomery.org the best place for this information? I agree that we should help educate by keeping the forum here and searchable, but not active---first trying to amend incorrect data. How does the good information balance out the bad information? Since you are not familiar with the forum. I urge you as mushroom voyagers to take a minute to look through the threads Thor mentioned. And what is the risk/benefit to the shroomery with Other Drugs. As cultivators, I feel that altho you may not visit the other parts of the community as much, maybe you guys have some unique perspectives.

What is the purpose of this site to you? Can we stray outside the confines to much harder drugs? Making sure to accurately consider the risk of death, every time?

What do you think?

Thank you all for your careful consideration of this.



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Edited by PsiloKitten (01/19/03 07:47 PM)

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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Thor]
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Dear Thor,

i voted 'No' although i am interested in OD.

This is a mushroom cultivation forum and the existence of ODF has led to hundreds of posters, completely ignorant of MC, discussing about ecstacy pills and methadone. Thats fine and cool but I dont think we want to attract too much attention, esp. when people die from overdose, the law enforcers can move against the Shroomery, although Mushroom Cultivation has nothin to do with an overdose --- i suppose it would be better if we had an "Other Drugs Questions" forum. For those who are afraid but still want to be informed. Like a help for newbies.


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Edited by kykeon (01/19/03 07:28 PM)

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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: kykeon]
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>the creation of ODF could lead to hundreds of new posters,
>completely ignorant of MC, discussing about ecstacy pills and methadone.

LOL, the OD forum already exists....

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=Forum10


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: kykeon]
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I see you noticed it...


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Anno]
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LOL

Anno you are always around :wink: btw, i know there is an OD forum, i failed to express the way i wanted. Greek wayz of speakin that cant be understood (in the way i write them) in English. So thats why i edited, to be understood by everyone. :smile:


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: kykeon]
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KATALABA....


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Thor]
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Though this argument has much to do with reactionary measures and whether it is better to educate or leave in the dark.... I think two things:

1)This site is supposed to be about mushroom cultivation and enjoyment. I don't dabble in anything but shrooms and pot and like it that way. I really don't care for a forum on other drugs.

2)This site probably enjoys more DEA scrutiny as it deals with advising kids about using other drugs, harder and more insidious than shrooms.

My .02


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: gee_bone]
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example:
Drug smuggling info

Read this page posted last night and tell me that what the 'other drug forum' is:

a)somehow related to countering misinformation on mushrooms.

b)not going to increase DEA scrutiny of this site and its members.

I think its just a dumb idea. Sorry to double post on this issue, but I can't believe we flame someone for suggesting they deal mushrooms and allow a forum for this junk.


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Thor]
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I use the od forum to help people who want to grow their own herb. Maby there could be a forum for poeple who want to help other shroomery members who are interested in growing other psychoactive plants and fungi.
I don't know maby it would get rid of all the man made powder, pill, and rock shit from the posts.




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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Thor]
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1. It's shroomery.com. not "all drugs and dumb shit kids do .com"
2. There are other (possibly better) sources for that info on the net.
3. I don't need a bunh of club kids bring extra scrutiny to my activities.
4. OTD is bad enuf. Don't waste the bandwidth on 'em.

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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: On_the_Down-Low]
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I strongly agree that it should stay.


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: SixCee]
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i too believe that it should stay.
nothing is illegal to know.


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Magash]
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Magash,

We do have an ethnobotanical garden forum too..

So all drugs like, salvia, san pedro, etc can be discussed there and any of the opiates, meth, crack, etc can still be asked about in OTD cause the fact is, they are off off topic.



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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Thor]
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Perhaps we could change it to an 'Other Entheogens' forum.

I like OD, but there is a LOT of bs thats being spread over there at times.

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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: PsiloKitten]
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What purpose would it serve to close the OD forum and still allow the posting of harder drug questions in OTD?

From what I have read about Rippers demise, it was not anything to do with the forums (OD), but more the chat on #Shroomery and the comments of a few irresponsible people who may have had some influence on Rippers already impaired judgement and state of mind.
If anything should be done, I think the ops in #Shroomery should be chosen by the admins for their compassion and their ability to clean up the channel. I've been on the IRC for a lot of years, and know how much good ops can avoid channel problems. Perhaps the Question should be...
If we can't make the Shroomery Chat room safe... Should it remain?

Brandons passing is tragic, but hopefully someone will learn from it and their life will be spared.
If your taking a drug or combination of drugs that can kill you if you Overdose... your taking the WRONG drug.

Shdwstr

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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Shdwstr]
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God, I wish I would have waited a month to post this and choosen my words more carefully from the get go.  That's what no sleep after spending 24 hours perusing the od forum will do.  Im not saying my impetus for this was not ripper. 

Shdwstr,  that is also a fantastic point, which I tried to address initially as well... but, wow was that one going the wrong way!  I had to pick my battles and thought there might need to be some more thought put into that one as it was all emotion. That's why you are pissing me off so much when people say this is reactionary or because of rippers death.. define "because" :smile:  I know Im all over the place and emotional in these threads.. dont miss the point because of my emotions!  My failure in not rambling or splintering off because Im a pothead, should not derail the point! :smile:

I am saying that it is nessecary to do and should have been pushed sooner.  I am remiss on not pushing this sooner.  It has always been an issue, but it has been ignored because people outside of od users... which very often people who do shrooms dont use oxycotin and such... dont go to the forum.  My solution was simply to get paranoid and just not even post on this board about anything related to growing... even under another name for legal reasons spurned by not only the od forum, but also related to it.  That was not a solution.  That was giving up.

You ask about why having it inquired about in OTD is any better, I dont really think it has anything to do with mushrooms so Id rather not have it there either.. but I cant really advocate censorship in that manner as it would be a losing battle.

I honestly think it will help with the kids that come here, looking for mushrooms cause they get them "fuct" up and find things like some of the links I posted in the threads that Thor referenced...

Even that it is safe to  take 20 seeds of datura is questionable and I have to think that if the poster had put it in the entheobotanical garden they would have gotten a better answer then in OD.  That post should have been moved to the entheogen forum as od users really dont seem to have alot of experience with things of that "nature".

I hate to remind, but it's just that.. shrooms are about nature and life and death cycles and spirituality, atleast that is what I thought... maybe Im wrong.  Maybe that isnt what they are about to people anymore.  And if that is the case, I  think we have enough to handle trying to help people  to understand the seriousness of psychedelics.. much less the other stuff

In OTD, they could still get their issues addressed if nessecary, but they could also use the wealth of information that is in the current forum (after modified in some areas) and SEARCH it.  Then, the whole forum wouldnt be about OD and would be less inclined to hold posts like the ones I linked in the original poll thread.  Im not doing it here, since everyone seems to be discrediting this because I only focus on the "negative" 

But a whole forum of "I took x, y and z and lived"....  It just seems too reckless considering the current info we have on other drugs or lack there of.  Also, I think that atleast in otd we have a very broad cross section of psychonauts who maybe view other drugs in a broader sense then being embroiled in it.

Thanks   


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: PsiloKitten]
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That's why you are pissing me off so much when people say this is reactionary or because of rippers death..


It?s not reactionary because of Ripper?s death. It?s reactionary because you want to return to an idyllic, never-never-land, of the past that never was, via methods including a neo-conservative repression of free speech based on your own personal morality, as opposed to a civil-libertarian free-market of ideas.

Main Entry: re?ac?tion?ary
Pronunciation: rE-'ak-sh&-"ner-E
Function: adjective
Date: 1840
: relating to, marked by, or favoring reaction; especially : ultraconservative in politics

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I am saying that it is necessary to do and should have been pushed sooner. I am remiss on not pushing this sooner. It has always been an issue


^^^^^ case and point...

Match, and game... :wink:

I don't disagree with your concerns and passions -- it's just that I deplore your methodologies... :crazy:

To everyone else: Sorry, I said to myself, that I wasn?t going to tag these threads anymore, but this one was too tempting. I will go away now, and resume my Mod duties. Go back to your cultivation concerns... :laugh:


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Papaver]
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I hate when people try and use large words to belittle other people's arguments.

Hey Papaver- We're all glad that you have a rudimentary understanding of political philosophy. Repression of free speech in this manner is hardly neo-conservativism, a better example would have been if she had argued to shut it down because it contravened some obscure law. Neo-conservatism is a masking of your real goals through the use of contextual precursors, it's failing to do something for reasons of adherance, whether or not your own morality believes that's why you should abstain. It means doing nothing for the sake of maintaining order.
Psilokitten's post is actually quite liberal within the fact that he/she is advocating action. You can all it classical conservatism, which is an active fight against change which is willing to publically display its own leanings.

Don't denounce other people's opinions in such an antagonistic manner by using terms that you have a limited understanding of.

I'm glad that you are recieving an education, good for you. But education was never meant to be used to shut down other people's opinions, rather your learning could be better put to use examining and critically thinking about them.

I never would have come down so hard on you if you had displayed more of an open mind. But you didn't.


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Magash]
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As long as people have some common sense with/about the information they aquire. No misinformation. The whole purpose behind this site, and the whole reason to be that much more caution about the situation.


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: gee_bone]
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I'm sorry, Psilokitten's post appeared to be nothing more then a chemically impaired rambling with poor syntax. It was painful to read.


Quote:

"This site was created to help stop the spread of dangerous misinformation related to psychedelic mushrooms"



That's the first thing you see when you log on. You can't please everyone. Let the polyabusers go somewhere else.
If it's not organic- it's shit. (just my $.02)

Edited by On_the_Down-Low (01/21/03 04:55 AM)

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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Thor]
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yes, b/c information is always better than no information. the purpose of the od section is to provide a source of potentially LIFE SAVING INFORMATION, from a source that particuarly younger people would listen to more than if it came from any authorities. having said so, we must all do better in using the od section in line with this approach, but CENSORSHIP IS NEVER A - GOOD - SOLUTION


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: On_the_Down-Low]
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On the dl--- sorry, Ive spent 4 days on this, excuse my piss poor syntax. I was unaware this was english class.


Papaver----

You people are right, fine. fuck it. Most people havent even taken a moment to figure out the point and to understand that this censorship argument does not relate to the proposal. Nor have any of you addressed any of the issues like how oxycotin isnt an enthogen and how we gave some kid lethal information on datura in a whole thread of posts, never once giving the quite correct information .....and a whole bunch of other shit that just doesnt seem to matter.

Ya know, I look in the grow log forum and I see people like mycofile posting about how maybe we shouldnt be growing 84 jars as newbies because perhaps we dont understand what the mushroom should be teaching us-- then I look at the od file and now I know how to cook up some fentanyl crack and that I can go mix some xanax and risperal for a really fantastic high..

I cant reverse my original stance that this place his gone to hell in a handbasket, I came back to fight, it didnt seem to work.

But the fact is, 4 days are gone and its time to go back to my life...I do love how the poll here in cult is a bit more indicative of society then a poll in other drugs to shut down other drugs....


I'm serious tho, I cant wait to see the shroomery on 20/20 like the hive, cause you know it's gonna happen... I mean, we cant all be that naive.


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: PsiloKitten]
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I say keep the other drugs forum.  People who are interested in mushroom cultivation usually are interested in other drugs as well.  If you say that OD is not 'mushroom related' then take a look at a few other non-mushroom related forums as well :smile:  I like the shroomery because its about the only board i visit on the internet.  I wouldnt want to go elsewhere to get my Other Drugs fix =)
If kids are going to be stupid and make stupid choices with drugs, then its nobodys fault but their own.  I feel bad for the recent loss, but in no way is it connected with OD and I would sign a pedition saying so if needed be  :smirk:


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: gee_bone]
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Main Entry: neo?con?ser?va?tive
Pronunciation: -k&n-'s&r-v&-tiv
Function: noun
Date: 1952
: a former liberal espousing political conservatism

Source: Merriam-Webster

Anyway, you missed my point, and improperly interpreted the context of the usage. Additionally, there was more than a little "nudgy" sarcasm in that post, and, admittedly, I was also being a tad polemic. I should have used more smileys! : D: D :laugh:

Sorry, chief, it won't happen again... :grin: 


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Papaver]
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Heh, no worries....

Now hurry up and look at my post in Contams and help me figure out if I have cobwebs!!!!! :tongue: 


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: gee_bone]
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:smile:

I really want to start growing one of these days, but I need to be in the right living situation first. I hardly ever get to go to the cultivation forums, as I'm usually too busy trying to improve some of the non-cultivation forums here. It's a dirty job, someone's got to do it... :wink:

I do live in Oregon now, having recently moved, and I think that this climate is perfect for both cultivation and hunting. Unfortunately, I haven?t had mushrooms in almost 10 years (a little acid, but no shrooms), but I am hoping, as I get settled here, that that will change. I am also looking forward to hooking up with my fellow, Pacific Northwest Shroomerites, here, and also meeting some far away Shroomerites for special events like the Oregon Country Fair and Burning Man! :laugh:


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: On_the_Down-Low]
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If it's not organic- it's shit. (just my $.02)


i agree. i dont think anything but mushrooms should be discussed on the shroomery, because theres not much legally seperating us from... say a crack addict board (assuming we added a section for that, or say MDMA). Just that theres only one plave that the post should actually ggo instead of multiple subjects to post under. Which we all know would come up with all sorts of legal issues and crap. The shroomery should stay the shroomery, not the drug asylum. I agree that there is a place for other growable drugs, but no synthetics please. I have only really seen posts against it so far. However the vote is still winning which means that some people aren't willing to refute the other side. I'm all ears.


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: dr4g0n]
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i have to agree, the shroomery should stay the shrromery, and the shroomery only. there are many other discussion boards on the net (through which i found the shroomery) that deal specifically with other drugs. think about it this way, wal-mart sells pretty much anything you want, and everyone and their mother know's what wal-mart is. if you want a bed, go to wal-mart, if you want a PS2, go to wal-mart. do we really want everyone and their mother to know about the shroomery? do we really want to attract more attention to the shroomery. the more people that know about the shroomery, the greater the chance that people will want it shut down. no one overdoses from eating magic mushies, but people do die trying to make meth, or using other drugs. when people die or get hurt, politics take over and people are forced to look for a reason why. there has to be some place or person to point the finger at.

i think that there should not be any place at the shroomery that talks about the synthesis of any drug, only drugs that "grow". like shrooms and maryjane. maybe a page with links to other sites that have a reputation for providing good sound information. (i know there is already a links page at the shroomery, and i think thats all that there should be)

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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Thor]
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I don't post on this forum, as people will notice, but you bring up an important issue. I stay in the spirituality forum for the most part because it was psychedelic/entheogenic 'change agents' that awakened me from mere materialism to a philosophical and religious life. Without trying to sound cultic, the mushroom is a Sacrament to people, and although one person's Sacrament is just another good buzz to someone else, the former attitude can do as much to help an individual, as the latter attitude can to hurt an individual. Consider Communion wine as compared with the swill of a wino as a parallel.

Continuing the parallel: The recreational use of mushrooms may eventually wake one up to what psychologist Abraham Maslow called 'The Further Reaches of Human Nature,' and move a person 'Toward a Psychology of Being,' to use two titles of his books. The recreational use of wine, will never do this, but may well increase into a full-fledged addiction to a stupefying, consciousness-reducing toxin. 'Other Drugs,' that is, non-psychedelics, by-and-large constitute additional sources of addiction, stupefaction or conversely, paranoia. Consider the recreational uses of narcotics, tranquilizers, sedatives and stimulants like cocaine and amphetamine at the other end of the continuum. None of these categories of drugs have the ability to elicit 'peak experiences' (another Maslowian term, from which is derived the 'peak' of a trip). Morever, none of these molecules have their parallels in neurotransmitter chemistry - another 'sign' that 'mycophiles' [mushroom lovers] are on to something.

Lastly, in cultures that revere the Sacred Mushrooms, they may be referred to by endearing terms such as 'The Little Ones,' as was the case with Maria Sabina and her people, who first brought attention to the modern world of this phenomena in 1957. They are not referred to as 'drugs,' with the immediate connotations of illicit, forbidden, addictive, dangerous, stupefying, and essentially antithetical to the fast-paced, competative and materialistic American way of life. If one is to stand for something, one has to limit and strenuously simplify the message if others are to understand. In this lies my rationale for focusing exclusively on mushrooms. Thanks for reading. Peace.


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Thor]
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Damn, and I thought a week = 7 days, boy was I sure surprised that I was wrong when this thread became unstickied in 5. Oh fucking well..


Smile cultivators, you are on candid camera!

As I said in another thread-- I think that maybe you'd like to know that now the shroomery should be in the news.. The new york daily news or some shit like that.. As they have already talked to the admins, evidently as thor posted in a thread in otd. Since the admins dont seem to give a fuck about anyone's asses.. Thought maybe everyone would like to know, so they can cover their own.

Yeah, and we are all over the net, check out www.metafilter.com when you get the chance.

Peace out shroomery! The last 5 years have been "real".



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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Thor]
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people are gonna use drugs, and use them recklessly no matter if they can post about it or not. at least here they can get advice and expiriences from others. im not saying its a critical forum to have but it is very nice to have. the shroomery is not responsible for people , people are responsible for themselves. its not like giving someone advice on how to commit suicide is actually killing that person. i would not blame anyone but myself for being hurt from drugs if i took them intentionally. but whatever.....


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Thor]
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Perhaps a solution would be:

(a) to change the name of the forum from OD to OE (entheogens instead of that stupid 'drug' word).

(b) the mods should be TWICE careful not to accept bullshit info in posts. Delete and Lock at once.

This way, we can still be free inside here, but we eliminate the risk someone can accuse us (the Shroomery) for a drug-promoting site. I mean, if u enter OD forum now, most of it is about medicines that can be bought and how we can use them in conjuction with others. How sure are we that there is noone who is posting crap info? Can someone realise how risky is this for the whole Shroomery? Its so fuckin easy to accuse us, because drug-medicine talking is being accepted with great difficulty, even from the majority of weed/shroom/lsd or whatever users. Imagine people who had never even smoked weed and think that mj lead to destruction.


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Thor]
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Just cuz one kid over does it.  I think the shroomery should have an other drugs forum.  thats one of my favorite forums.  Id be pissed if you guys cacneled it :frown:.


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: gee_bone]
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no

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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: mikejwill]
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For about a month now I've enjoyed being part of the Shroomery community w/o much thought.  Then as I was lying in bed trying to fall asleep last night I started thinking about the Shroomery and being a user/member.  I think I came to this point because I've realized that I'm part of the older group of Shroomery members, and (probably much like the rest of us non-teen, non youth Shroomery members) I feel at least some form of moral obligation w/ concern to the content and my participation of this site. (You know...age makes you concerned about being an influence on younger people) :tongue: Now sure, it is the Shroomery, and everyone knows what the deal is here, but sayin that...

We all remember being a teenager and "young adult"...Basically young, dumb, full of cum, and arrogant as a motha fucka. (Everyone at the Shroomry makes this site great, it's just the way life has been planned out for us all :grin:).  Well, there are a lot of teenager and young adults here.  We surely can also remember the first time we realized we weren't the young looking, high energy, youth portrayed on television.  Or, did you ever think you'd reach the point where MTV is the most crappiest of crappy channels on tv?  Well, age is to blame:grin:....my point is if you take a poll consisting of young Shroomery members concerning the existence of the Other Drug Forum, you should be aware of who is doing the responding.  Not to upset anyone, but generally you can deduce this via assumed age compared to personal experience of said age(s). 

I'm assuming you?re asking the question b/c of the moral dilemma.  I think the powers that be need to decide what the Shroomery's purpose is.  What currently fits and what doesn't?  Where's this site going in 2-5 years?  Who should have the determining factor in certain decisions and why? 

Two more cents, I don't think the Other Drug Forum should stay.  I think it does more harm than good to young users by offering a forum learn of other drugs.  Sure, people will say that these topics can really be discussed in any forum, but having a specific forum breeds such topics.  If used responsibly I think the ODF's existence is fine, but you know this just isn't the case with 14-20 year olds.  Well, at least it wouldn't have been the case with either me or any of my friends at that age.

I think for many age increases a person's consciousness concerning their overall impact on others in life.  It seems you'll often hear people speak of their moral and personal shift after the birth of their child.  Yes we're all members of a drug site :tongue: :tongue:, but I think that the same type of philosophies can and should be thought out and applied.

I tried to offer something positive.  Hope I did.  Good luck. :smile:
 


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: ShrewDigsby]
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good post, digsby. well put, well reasoned. probably very contentious - but the best ones are  :grin: :grin:

perhaps someone with a mathematical bent can knock up a quick chi2 test if this poll picks up a few votes -

Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum?
:laugh:
over 30: yes, i think it should have an otherdrugs forum

under 30: yes, i think it should have an otherdrugs forum

over 30: no, i don't think it should

under 30: no, i don't think it should




if you think 30 was a terrible cutoff point, sorry. too late now.  :tongue:



   


Votes accepted from the dawn of the universe until the end of time

View the results of this poll



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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: shirley knott]
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That is a better poll IMO  :grin:

This is a tough issue, the mods who are part of OD say that it is important to have the forum to educate instead of ignore.. Education is key, but is that forum going to do more harm than good?

The mods in that forum are mostly older folk, and 3 of them have extensive experience with drugs and abuse counselling..

I think a lot of the community wants this forum, and a smaller portion think its a bad idea.

I am returning this post to normal date, its been 8 days since it went up.. If anyone wants to continue this discussion you can always start a post in the website announcement forum.

Thanks for all your input, some well thought out replies here :smile:

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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Thor]
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I think we should have the other drug section so the crack heads, heroin addicts,etc can talk about that shit in there own section while the rest be dedicated to mushrooms.


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: On_the_Down-Low]
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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: psilocyber]
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i believe that the other drugs forum MUST exist! i have received a lot of help from there and of course i also gave help to people there. I know that it atrracts the cops but such a forum can save a lot of people of doing mistakes which can even lead them to death!
if there wasnt this forum i would have done a lot of very big wrong actions when i was an every-drug-that-exists user. This season is over for me but i still want to help people there.

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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: psilocyber]
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That was excellently put :smile:

I'm stickying this thread again  :grin:

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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Anonymous]
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wow other drugs is gone. I am really disapointed. I find myself sadly becoming less atracted to these forums every day...


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: baraka]
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baraka, remain calm, and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! :grin:



Xone, Thor posted this thread in the OD and the OTD as well. However, this forum, is the very raison d?etre of this board! :cool:


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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What a long winded, unprovable post.

How do you know other substances won't "wake people up?"


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Papaver]
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I have to agree with baraka. It's a secondary forum - please fucking remove any forum not directly pertaining to mushrooms.
Also, track down the guy who was talked through a potentially dreadful datura encounter.
The existence of the OD forum simply allowed a venue to discuss, much as a coffeeshop would, and no one whines about motherfucking coffeeshops being about "only coffee". The ignorance in this thread is as bad as any stupid e-tard rambling about how his magic beans made him roll so fkn hard, d00d.


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: psilocyber]
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Yes, blackmail works wonders.


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: valour]
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Quote:
How do you know other substances won't "wake people up?"


he probably refers to those substances that tear up or loosen completely the nervous system.

anywayz, i think it was a GOOD SURPRISE to me to see today that OD is out of Shroomery. I have posted many times, that Shroomery comes from 'Shrooms' and not from 'Drugs'. I dont do drugs, i do entheogens. There is no reason to jeopardize the whole community, doing things that are - at least - too risky.

INTERNET IS FREE. i suppose those who love taking medicines from drugstores and combine them with liquor or whatever are free to do so. no problem to me. but there is no reason to discuss it in here. thank god, we are full of forums.

:smile: cool. 


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Magash]
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Etheobotanical Garden


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: kykeon]
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Quote:
I have to agree with baraka. It's a secondary forum - please fucking remove any forum not directly pertaining to mushrooms.
Also, track down the guy who was talked through a potentially dreadful datura encounter.
The existence of the OD forum simply allowed a venue to discuss, much as a coffeeshop would, and no one whines about motherfucking coffeeshops being about "only coffee". The ignorance in this thread is as bad as any stupid e-tard rambling about how his magic beans made him roll so fkn hard, d00d.




That kinda sums up my feelings.


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: psilocyber]
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Psilocyber:

You bring up very valid and good points. However I think with a strict set of guidelines, proper care, and mods willing to enforce and actively participate in ensuring the quality of the OD - that it is an extremely valuable place in our community and anywhere on the net.

You referenced Erowid, but do you realize that there are quite a few pages on their site that are out of date and representing mis-information (usually in regards to drug law, but not always)? I would volunteer to take it upon myself to help clean up the OD and make it a formal and informational forum with very strict rules. It can help more than it can harm by far.

Since I've already voiced my position quite in depth to the administration, I will end my rant here. Just realize that the OD need not be a concern for liability if it is handled correctly.


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Papaver]
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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: ]
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I tink that the OD forum has only been to the shroomery's benefit. The Shroomery lays more weight on the mushroom culture, but its nice to have a place you can go to ask questions about other drugs or talk about other drugs. Alot of people that eat shrooms DO take other drugs aswell, and having a place to talk about them is alot better than squeezing it out. It will only lead to people talking about other drugs in other forums. Even though there is an Other Drugs forum it does not incourage the use of other drugs. I vote FOR the OD forum.


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Thor]
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Thats wat ive been Using General Questions for. Id keep it that way to make this site look more genuine towards MC. Instead of a druggy site.
I voted no


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Thor]
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If people are going to experiment with some of the drugs discussed in the OD forum after receiving respective advice, then a very weighty responsibility falls on the mod's to make sure guidance isn't given out of ignorance, if not sheer idiocy. Not only is the legality problematic, but the ethical issues are classically huge: there should be sites battling the misinformation inherent in the discussion of these drugs, any discussion is promotional, often there is no yes/no, wrong/right answer, etc. Is the shroomery able to channel the concerted effort required to run what is essentially a drug hotline? Does the shroomery attract, by its nature, people who are more likely to experiment and/or use/abuse other drugs?


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Che_Night_Soil]
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Quote:
If people are going to experiment with some of the drugs discussed in the OD forum after receiving respective advice, then a very weighty responsibility falls on the mod's to make sure guidance isn't given out of ignorance, if not sheer idiocy. Not only is the legality problematic, but the ethical issues are classically huge: there should be sites battling the misinformation inherent in the discussion of these drugs, any discussion is promotional, often there is no yes/no, wrong/right answer, etc. Is the shroomery able to channel the concerted effort required to run what is essentially a drug hotline? Does the shroomery attract, by its nature, people who are more likely to experiment and/or use/abuse other drugs?     


nonsense. the shroomery is not responsible for vetting the accuracy of posts by non-shroomery representatives. you could as easily say that the mods must jump in now if i say 'putting your head in the oven to breathe gas gets you high'. this place has a disclaimer, and we are each responsible for our own actions. removing the OD forum clears bandwidth, and there still remain the 'general questions' and 'entheogenic garden' departments.

i believe this has been an excellent post with some very well made points on both sides.... but this is now a moot academic argument, as the forum is gone. hopefully the chatroom will start back up, and this site will concentrate, as its name suggests, on fungi.

organic = good
synthetic = bad
:tongue: 


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: shirley knott]
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My first feeling was let the OD exist, b/c it can provide valuable info about other drugs.
The fact is that i read and post in that forum for quite some time now and i never used any form of opiate or benzodiazepine. It all rests on the viewer and not on the forum itself.
That forum doesn't cause people to engage in stupid drug behaviour. At least people who are reasonable enough to not blindly believe everything is said on the internet, especially on forums where no one has control on whatever info is given.

Now i'm more reluctant b/c i like this place very much and don't want it to suffer legal consequences for whatever information is spread on that forum.
Besides that, my interest on this site are psychedelics in general (not only shroom growing) and it is true that that forum had a bit too much talk about strong dangerous and addictive drugs for my liking.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

I have not made my mind yet, nor i think i will think about it too much anymore. I'm glad it's not me who has to take the decision...


Quote:
organic = good
synthetic = bad




This is not true IMHO.

I don't believe, for example, that using opium is safer than using LSD.

There are dangerous organic drugs.
And 'relatively safe' synthetic drugs (not many, though...).   

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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: _MarsBars_]
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The OD is dead! :frown:

Long live the ODD! :cool:

Look for it. It's there! :wink:

That is all... 


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Papaver]
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you must find it.


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: A0999]
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The one moment of ODD that truly sticks with me is when a member was taking some DOB and the vile broke and he accidently swallowed a lethal dose. Within minutes people responded to him telling him what to do and how to get help. A few people even PMed him and kept him grounded until he went to the hospitol.


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Thor]
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I voted yes, but my opinion on this matter has a caveat. Given the nature of the shroomery, personally I would vote for an "Other NATURAL Drugs"forum edition. Things that are cultivated and utilized as nature intended as medicine, not hard, chemical, man-made drugs. Things like kratom, blue lotus, salvia, and ayahuasca.

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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: StarshineBlue]
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I'm just waiting for the thread revival police AKA Screwup to come in and scream at you for reviving a 20 year old thread.

:popcorn:


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Guerrilla]
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this thread is 19yrs old :P
Guerrilla said:
I'm just waiting for the thread revival police AKA Screwup to come in and scream at you for reviving a 20 year old thread.

:popcorn:


You stole his first reply :frown:  But yep :popcorn:


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: StarshineBlue]
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StarshineBlue said:
I voted yes, but my opinion on this matter has a caveat. Given the nature of the shroomery, personally I would vote for an "Other NATURAL Drugs"forum edition. Things that are cultivated and utilized as nature intended as medicine, not hard, chemical, man-made drugs. Things like kratom, blue lotus, salvia, and ayahuasca.


Your opinion on any matter will have a caveat because you decided to bump a 20 year old thread with this post. Iā€™m literally in bed trying to wind down and I decide to open Shroomery for this.

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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Thor]
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Not to mention there is an other drugs discussion forum and the enthobotanical garden forum. Look around the site a bit Starshine.

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