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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Papaver]
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I hate when people try and use large words to belittle other people's arguments.

Hey Papaver- We're all glad that you have a rudimentary understanding of political philosophy. Repression of free speech in this manner is hardly neo-conservativism, a better example would have been if she had argued to shut it down because it contravened some obscure law. Neo-conservatism is a masking of your real goals through the use of contextual precursors, it's failing to do something for reasons of adherance, whether or not your own morality believes that's why you should abstain. It means doing nothing for the sake of maintaining order.
Psilokitten's post is actually quite liberal within the fact that he/she is advocating action. You can all it classical conservatism, which is an active fight against change which is willing to publically display its own leanings.

Don't denounce other people's opinions in such an antagonistic manner by using terms that you have a limited understanding of.

I'm glad that you are recieving an education, good for you. But education was never meant to be used to shut down other people's opinions, rather your learning could be better put to use examining and critically thinking about them.

I never would have come down so hard on you if you had displayed more of an open mind. But you didn't.


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Magash]
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As long as people have some common sense with/about the information they aquire. No misinformation. The whole purpose behind this site, and the whole reason to be that much more caution about the situation.


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: gee_bone]
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I'm sorry, Psilokitten's post appeared to be nothing more then a chemically impaired rambling with poor syntax. It was painful to read.


Quote:

"This site was created to help stop the spread of dangerous misinformation related to psychedelic mushrooms"



That's the first thing you see when you log on. You can't please everyone. Let the polyabusers go somewhere else.
If it's not organic- it's shit. (just my $.02)

Edited by On_the_Down-Low (01/21/03 04:55 AM)

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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Thor]
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yes, b/c information is always better than no information. the purpose of the od section is to provide a source of potentially LIFE SAVING INFORMATION, from a source that particuarly younger people would listen to more than if it came from any authorities. having said so, we must all do better in using the od section in line with this approach, but CENSORSHIP IS NEVER A - GOOD - SOLUTION


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: On_the_Down-Low]
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On the dl--- sorry, Ive spent 4 days on this, excuse my piss poor syntax. I was unaware this was english class.


Papaver----

You people are right, fine. fuck it. Most people havent even taken a moment to figure out the point and to understand that this censorship argument does not relate to the proposal. Nor have any of you addressed any of the issues like how oxycotin isnt an enthogen and how we gave some kid lethal information on datura in a whole thread of posts, never once giving the quite correct information .....and a whole bunch of other shit that just doesnt seem to matter.

Ya know, I look in the grow log forum and I see people like mycofile posting about how maybe we shouldnt be growing 84 jars as newbies because perhaps we dont understand what the mushroom should be teaching us-- then I look at the od file and now I know how to cook up some fentanyl crack and that I can go mix some xanax and risperal for a really fantastic high..

I cant reverse my original stance that this place his gone to hell in a handbasket, I came back to fight, it didnt seem to work.

But the fact is, 4 days are gone and its time to go back to my life...I do love how the poll here in cult is a bit more indicative of society then a poll in other drugs to shut down other drugs....


I'm serious tho, I cant wait to see the shroomery on 20/20 like the hive, cause you know it's gonna happen... I mean, we cant all be that naive.


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: PsiloKitten]
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I say keep the other drugs forum.  People who are interested in mushroom cultivation usually are interested in other drugs as well.  If you say that OD is not 'mushroom related' then take a look at a few other non-mushroom related forums as well :smile:  I like the shroomery because its about the only board i visit on the internet.  I wouldnt want to go elsewhere to get my Other Drugs fix =)
If kids are going to be stupid and make stupid choices with drugs, then its nobodys fault but their own.  I feel bad for the recent loss, but in no way is it connected with OD and I would sign a pedition saying so if needed be  :smirk:


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: gee_bone]
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Main Entry: neo?con?ser?va?tive
Pronunciation: -k&n-'s&r-v&-tiv
Function: noun
Date: 1952
: a former liberal espousing political conservatism

Source: Merriam-Webster

Anyway, you missed my point, and improperly interpreted the context of the usage. Additionally, there was more than a little "nudgy" sarcasm in that post, and, admittedly, I was also being a tad polemic. I should have used more smileys! : D: D :laugh:

Sorry, chief, it won't happen again... :grin: 


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Papaver]
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Heh, no worries....

Now hurry up and look at my post in Contams and help me figure out if I have cobwebs!!!!! :tongue: 


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: gee_bone]
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:smile:

I really want to start growing one of these days, but I need to be in the right living situation first. I hardly ever get to go to the cultivation forums, as I'm usually too busy trying to improve some of the non-cultivation forums here. It's a dirty job, someone's got to do it... :wink:

I do live in Oregon now, having recently moved, and I think that this climate is perfect for both cultivation and hunting. Unfortunately, I haven?t had mushrooms in almost 10 years (a little acid, but no shrooms), but I am hoping, as I get settled here, that that will change. I am also looking forward to hooking up with my fellow, Pacific Northwest Shroomerites, here, and also meeting some far away Shroomerites for special events like the Oregon Country Fair and Burning Man! :laugh:


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: On_the_Down-Low]
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Quote:
If it's not organic- it's shit. (just my $.02)


i agree. i dont think anything but mushrooms should be discussed on the shroomery, because theres not much legally seperating us from... say a crack addict board (assuming we added a section for that, or say MDMA). Just that theres only one plave that the post should actually ggo instead of multiple subjects to post under. Which we all know would come up with all sorts of legal issues and crap. The shroomery should stay the shroomery, not the drug asylum. I agree that there is a place for other growable drugs, but no synthetics please. I have only really seen posts against it so far. However the vote is still winning which means that some people aren't willing to refute the other side. I'm all ears.


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: dr4g0n]
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i have to agree, the shroomery should stay the shrromery, and the shroomery only. there are many other discussion boards on the net (through which i found the shroomery) that deal specifically with other drugs. think about it this way, wal-mart sells pretty much anything you want, and everyone and their mother know's what wal-mart is. if you want a bed, go to wal-mart, if you want a PS2, go to wal-mart. do we really want everyone and their mother to know about the shroomery? do we really want to attract more attention to the shroomery. the more people that know about the shroomery, the greater the chance that people will want it shut down. no one overdoses from eating magic mushies, but people do die trying to make meth, or using other drugs. when people die or get hurt, politics take over and people are forced to look for a reason why. there has to be some place or person to point the finger at.

i think that there should not be any place at the shroomery that talks about the synthesis of any drug, only drugs that "grow". like shrooms and maryjane. maybe a page with links to other sites that have a reputation for providing good sound information. (i know there is already a links page at the shroomery, and i think thats all that there should be)

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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Thor]
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I don't post on this forum, as people will notice, but you bring up an important issue. I stay in the spirituality forum for the most part because it was psychedelic/entheogenic 'change agents' that awakened me from mere materialism to a philosophical and religious life. Without trying to sound cultic, the mushroom is a Sacrament to people, and although one person's Sacrament is just another good buzz to someone else, the former attitude can do as much to help an individual, as the latter attitude can to hurt an individual. Consider Communion wine as compared with the swill of a wino as a parallel.

Continuing the parallel: The recreational use of mushrooms may eventually wake one up to what psychologist Abraham Maslow called 'The Further Reaches of Human Nature,' and move a person 'Toward a Psychology of Being,' to use two titles of his books. The recreational use of wine, will never do this, but may well increase into a full-fledged addiction to a stupefying, consciousness-reducing toxin. 'Other Drugs,' that is, non-psychedelics, by-and-large constitute additional sources of addiction, stupefaction or conversely, paranoia. Consider the recreational uses of narcotics, tranquilizers, sedatives and stimulants like cocaine and amphetamine at the other end of the continuum. None of these categories of drugs have the ability to elicit 'peak experiences' (another Maslowian term, from which is derived the 'peak' of a trip). Morever, none of these molecules have their parallels in neurotransmitter chemistry - another 'sign' that 'mycophiles' [mushroom lovers] are on to something.

Lastly, in cultures that revere the Sacred Mushrooms, they may be referred to by endearing terms such as 'The Little Ones,' as was the case with Maria Sabina and her people, who first brought attention to the modern world of this phenomena in 1957. They are not referred to as 'drugs,' with the immediate connotations of illicit, forbidden, addictive, dangerous, stupefying, and essentially antithetical to the fast-paced, competative and materialistic American way of life. If one is to stand for something, one has to limit and strenuously simplify the message if others are to understand. In this lies my rationale for focusing exclusively on mushrooms. Thanks for reading. Peace.


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Thor]
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Damn, and I thought a week = 7 days, boy was I sure surprised that I was wrong when this thread became unstickied in 5. Oh fucking well..


Smile cultivators, you are on candid camera!

As I said in another thread-- I think that maybe you'd like to know that now the shroomery should be in the news.. The new york daily news or some shit like that.. As they have already talked to the admins, evidently as thor posted in a thread in otd. Since the admins dont seem to give a fuck about anyone's asses.. Thought maybe everyone would like to know, so they can cover their own.

Yeah, and we are all over the net, check out www.metafilter.com when you get the chance.

Peace out shroomery! The last 5 years have been "real".



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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Thor]
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people are gonna use drugs, and use them recklessly no matter if they can post about it or not. at least here they can get advice and expiriences from others. im not saying its a critical forum to have but it is very nice to have. the shroomery is not responsible for people , people are responsible for themselves. its not like giving someone advice on how to commit suicide is actually killing that person. i would not blame anyone but myself for being hurt from drugs if i took them intentionally. but whatever.....


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Thor]
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Perhaps a solution would be:

(a) to change the name of the forum from OD to OE (entheogens instead of that stupid 'drug' word).

(b) the mods should be TWICE careful not to accept bullshit info in posts. Delete and Lock at once.

This way, we can still be free inside here, but we eliminate the risk someone can accuse us (the Shroomery) for a drug-promoting site. I mean, if u enter OD forum now, most of it is about medicines that can be bought and how we can use them in conjuction with others. How sure are we that there is noone who is posting crap info? Can someone realise how risky is this for the whole Shroomery? Its so fuckin easy to accuse us, because drug-medicine talking is being accepted with great difficulty, even from the majority of weed/shroom/lsd or whatever users. Imagine people who had never even smoked weed and think that mj lead to destruction.


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: Thor]
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Just cuz one kid over does it.  I think the shroomery should have an other drugs forum.  thats one of my favorite forums.  Id be pissed if you guys cacneled it :frown:.


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: gee_bone]
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no

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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: mikejwill]
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For about a month now I've enjoyed being part of the Shroomery community w/o much thought.  Then as I was lying in bed trying to fall asleep last night I started thinking about the Shroomery and being a user/member.  I think I came to this point because I've realized that I'm part of the older group of Shroomery members, and (probably much like the rest of us non-teen, non youth Shroomery members) I feel at least some form of moral obligation w/ concern to the content and my participation of this site. (You know...age makes you concerned about being an influence on younger people) :tongue: Now sure, it is the Shroomery, and everyone knows what the deal is here, but sayin that...

We all remember being a teenager and "young adult"...Basically young, dumb, full of cum, and arrogant as a motha fucka. (Everyone at the Shroomry makes this site great, it's just the way life has been planned out for us all :grin:).  Well, there are a lot of teenager and young adults here.  We surely can also remember the first time we realized we weren't the young looking, high energy, youth portrayed on television.  Or, did you ever think you'd reach the point where MTV is the most crappiest of crappy channels on tv?  Well, age is to blame:grin:....my point is if you take a poll consisting of young Shroomery members concerning the existence of the Other Drug Forum, you should be aware of who is doing the responding.  Not to upset anyone, but generally you can deduce this via assumed age compared to personal experience of said age(s). 

I'm assuming you?re asking the question b/c of the moral dilemma.  I think the powers that be need to decide what the Shroomery's purpose is.  What currently fits and what doesn't?  Where's this site going in 2-5 years?  Who should have the determining factor in certain decisions and why? 

Two more cents, I don't think the Other Drug Forum should stay.  I think it does more harm than good to young users by offering a forum learn of other drugs.  Sure, people will say that these topics can really be discussed in any forum, but having a specific forum breeds such topics.  If used responsibly I think the ODF's existence is fine, but you know this just isn't the case with 14-20 year olds.  Well, at least it wouldn't have been the case with either me or any of my friends at that age.

I think for many age increases a person's consciousness concerning their overall impact on others in life.  It seems you'll often hear people speak of their moral and personal shift after the birth of their child.  Yes we're all members of a drug site :tongue: :tongue:, but I think that the same type of philosophies can and should be thought out and applied.

I tried to offer something positive.  Hope I did.  Good luck. :smile:
 


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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: ShrewDigsby]
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good post, digsby. well put, well reasoned. probably very contentious - but the best ones are  :grin: :grin:

perhaps someone with a mathematical bent can knock up a quick chi2 test if this poll picks up a few votes -

Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum?
:laugh:
over 30: yes, i think it should have an otherdrugs forum

under 30: yes, i think it should have an otherdrugs forum

over 30: no, i don't think it should

under 30: no, i don't think it should




if you think 30 was a terrible cutoff point, sorry. too late now.  :tongue:



   


Votes accepted from the dawn of the universe until the end of time

View the results of this poll



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Re: Should the Shroomery have an Other Drugs Forum? [Re: shirley knott]
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That is a better poll IMO  :grin:

This is a tough issue, the mods who are part of OD say that it is important to have the forum to educate instead of ignore.. Education is key, but is that forum going to do more harm than good?

The mods in that forum are mostly older folk, and 3 of them have extensive experience with drugs and abuse counselling..

I think a lot of the community wants this forum, and a smaller portion think its a bad idea.

I am returning this post to normal date, its been 8 days since it went up.. If anyone wants to continue this discussion you can always start a post in the website announcement forum.

Thanks for all your input, some well thought out replies here :smile:

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