MikeOLogical said:

if they're anti-drug and have nevere used psychedelics, they can not be convinced, and it amy harm your reputation with them if you even try...

anti-druggism is as dogmatic a religion as any other...

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It is just an excuse for them to use drugs because they like the feeling and the immediate effects of it while they are under the influence.

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"These drugs may not be physically addictive but they are psychologically. People who claim that they only use them 2-4 times a year are only kidding themselves."

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Any long-lasting effects are due to an imbalance in brain chemicals caused by taking the drug

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MikeOLogical said:

if they're anti-drug and have nevere used psychedelics, they can not be convinced, and it amy harm your reputation with them if you even try...

anti-druggism is as dogmatic a religion as any other...

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So true man...so true.

Just last night I was with my good group of friends who are all against any and all things related to psychedelics.  It's funny because it's totally fine for them to drink and toke on some grass though 

We were all sitting around the fire having some fun bullshitting.  They all know my standing/view points on lsd/mushroom use...and I'm seriously thought of(behind my back) as the nut who doesn't know what he's talking about.

The whole thing started when my one friend started poking fun at me for cutting from a joint.  It was all in good humour and I didn't get all defensive or anything.  But he started poking fun about how I couldn't handle it.  We are all good friends and things are always like this between us.  I started joking about giving him 4 hits of acid, along with myself, and see who could "handle it".  And it was at that moment the whole discussion started.

My buddy's gf came in with a comment about how lsd is totally bad for you because "yea, they won't let pilots fly if they have used it or something.  I heard that somewhere".  How can my eyes NOT roll into the back of my head?    That was one of her argumenets for why acid is so bad.  I tried to tell her about some of the toxicology studies and other various studies that have been done and she totally refused to believe anything I had to say.  Like I mean, I'd be talking and she, along with everyone else in the group, would basically be ignoring me.  They'd here what I was saying, but it was off in the distance.  They'd even spark their own conversations with each other while I'm trying to talk.  And then when I'm finished saying something...they decide to come back into the discussion with an entirely new and equally disturbing piece of propoganda info of "why it's so bad".  It's VERY frustrating.

I'm totally discredited because I've used them.  That's exactly what it is.  It get's so frustrating to have them ALL agree with one another and say a whole bunch of mindless garbage to me and the minute I start speaking...i'm ignored on purpose and they continue with their own conversations.  It really causes a person to want to either A. rant and not let them get a word in or B. shut up because you know, no matter what you say, they are 100% right

I was drinking and when they started mocking me and basically totally downplaying my credibility...trying to test my knowledge by a simple question of "who made it"...I went off on a rant    Though, it was a very intelligent rant with many facts to back up what I was saying(facts that I offered to make available the next day)...half of it was unheard because they knew(rather, though they knew) that they were right and I was just the nut who couldn't be convinced otherwise.  So I was ignored while everyone else started talking about something else.

I get so angry thinking about it right now even.  I have to hear so much propoganda garbage coming from their mouth...yet no matter what I have to say is legit enough.  These people will never be wrong when it comes to the usage of lsd.  And I have to listen to all of them talk this mindless garbage and even when I come up with a very good rebuttal and even ask them to show me proof of something like "there's no way it's not toxic.  It totally destroys brain cells and eats away this...and eats away that, etc, etc"....I still get all of them rolling eyes at me as the one who's "so far gone...so nutty...that I can't be convinced".

It's fucking bullshit.  The propoganda programs since the 70's have really done a good job.

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Just last night I was with my good group of friends who are all against any and all things related to psychedelics. It's funny because it's totally fine for them to drink and toke on some grass though

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crunchytoast said:

that sucks entityexperiement, your friends sound very close-minded about this

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Yes they are.  They are all such good people though.  Very good people.  They have just been brought up in a society that makes these substances look very bad.  It's hammered into their head since they are born.  And hearing the countless rumours and stories when growing up does quite a toll.  It's just so frustrating trying to get the truth out there.

When I try to give my rebuttal...it's not one of "drugs are good" type thing.  I talk about how these CAN be very unhealthy substances...but I believe that almost anything out there is unhealthy in some aspect.  Everything out there has it's pros and cons and I think it's only right to be educated on all of them.

That being said...I tell them the cons, but as soon as I try to tell the pros...I'm totally discredited because I've used them.  I'm just another druggie trying to say that these things may not be as bad as we've been brought up to believe.

I constantly feel like the outkast with my friends.  They are all probably totally percieved as being in a certain high standing social class(and all of that means sqaut to me though).  Besides this HUGE flaw of theirs...they are all very intelligent people.  Somehow I became friends with all of them.  I'm a total outkast in the group though.  Like I don't feel like shit around them or anything.  It's just, especially in situations like the one posted above, I am on a different side of the line.  I'm the more eccentric, wacky, crazy one out of all of them    But somehow manage to exude enough smarts so that I have some respect.  But still doesn't change the fact that at a lot of times...I'm the outkast.

I will never be right when it comes to these discussions and, in their mind, they will never be wrong.  It wouldn't matter what I showed them, what I said...it's all just coming from "another guy who's been wacked out on bad drugs" 

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They are all such good people though.

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I guess you mean good in the sense that they follow all the rules. My definition of good people is a little different then yours. It doesn't include being closed-minded. It does include those who are able to challenge the programming they have been given by society by learning to think for themselves.

I suggest you find some new friends. 

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and of course they like the way they feel when they're under the influence, why else would they take them? You can say spiritual finding, but the fact is, if they like that, its because they like the feeling that they get while doing it. Same reason why we have sex, masturbate, listen to music, sleep, and play games. Its because we like the way it feels.

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