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InvisibleSwami
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Do facts and data carry any weight at all?
    #2902575 - 07/18/04 03:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Whether posting here or on PAL, the same mind-numbing responses appear time after time. Someone makes a case for some point of view or action (whether for War on Iraq or crop circles or astrology) and their underlying premise or specific case is shown to be erroneous, the poster quickly shifts to another unrelated case or point or states flatly that "normal" proof doesn't apply (after first attempting to show proof).

Where is the thinking mind behind these belief systems? Is stubborn tenacity more beneficial than rationality? Are facts mere chaffe to get in the way of a rigidly adopted view? Is there some social or survival mechanism at work here that I am unaware of, or just plain bone-headedness?


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Re: Do facts and data carry any weight at all? [Re: Swami]
    #2902634 - 07/18/04 03:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

4/5ths of america says:

"do not confuse me with the facts"

but here, you may not be dealing with the same kinds of issues, some facts being offered are not directly related to the questions or the questioner. sometimes the comment could be:

"do not confuse me with the unrelated facts"

still it is nice you have some facts, many have less.


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Re: Do facts and data carry any weight at all? [Re: Swami]
    #2903164 - 07/18/04 07:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You mean like the posts in PA&L about the supposed increase in military suicide rates which facts and data showed to be bogus?

You mean like the post in PA&L about the "1000th" US soldier killed in Iraq which facts and data showed to be bogus?

Were the facts mere chaff which got in the way in the way of a rigidly adopted view?

pinky


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Re: Do facts and data carry any weight at all? [Re: Phred]
    #2903186 - 07/18/04 07:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

swami->:pottymouth: 

:pottymouth: <-pinky









DoctorJ->  :popcorn:


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Re: Do facts and data carry any weight at all? [Re: Swami]
    #2903336 - 07/18/04 08:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Facts and data carry all the weight if they are validly represented.


Edited by Huehuecoyotl (07/18/04 09:39 PM)


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Re: Do facts and data carry any weight at all? [Re: Phred]
    #2903482 - 07/18/04 09:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

This whole thread was to draw you out of P&L for a while to get a fresh breath of air. Shark hunting as it were...

You mean like the post in PA&L about the "1000th" US soldier killed in Iraq which facts and data showed to be bogus?
It was the 1000th Coalition Soldier killed and 882nd US soldier killed. I made a reporting error.

Were the facts mere chaff which got in the way in the way of a rigidly adopted view?
What viewpoint did this admitted (and very minor) error bolster?


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Re: Do facts and data carry any weight at all? [Re: Swami]
    #2903705 - 07/18/04 11:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

And the military suicide thread? I seem to recall some pretty shady tactics employed in trying to hang on to a premise completely blown out of the water by facts and data.

Some might categorize this as boneheadedness.

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Re: Do facts and data carry any weight at all? [Re: Swami]
    #2904618 - 07/19/04 08:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i had a nice long well thought out reply to this post...and i scrapped it because it was pointless. We will likely always be fighting about this because facts arent facts to some. We all have different interpretations of information, and varying opinions on the validity of the various sources of that information, and this will likely always be the way it is. Ofcourse some of you may disagree...which just proves my point :wink: So in the end whatever weight they may carry will be a subjective weight, even the practical implications/application of the "facts" is subject to our own personal subjective view of reality. I'd like to say we should all be pragmatic...but i doubt we could all agree on what that is, and what is the practical nature of whatever we are trying to be pragmatic about.

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