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A Fact
    #797982 - 08/05/02 02:50 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

did you know that our world?s governments are spending one TRILLION dollars a year in military purposes (weapons, strategy, preparation)... that is one million dollars every minute!!! that are just thrown out of the window for the stupidest reason you could think about:
destroy life on planet earth... this makes me sad...


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Re: A Fact [Re: In(di)go]
    #797992 - 08/05/02 02:54 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: A Fact [Re: In(di)go]
    #797994 - 08/05/02 02:56 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Me too. The government is just a big Anti-Life group. That's just depressing.


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Re: A Fact [Re: World Spirit]
    #797996 - 08/05/02 02:58 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

"conversations with god" book 2 by neale donald walsh


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Re: A Fact [Re: In(di)go]
    #798075 - 08/05/02 04:07 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

conversations with yourself, he he.


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Re: A Fact [Re: ViBrAnT]
    #798084 - 08/05/02 04:12 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

actually... yes... but they also could be conversations with YOURself... your higher self, as a matter of fact knows these things... and is a part of god... therefore you and i are god, too...


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Re: A Fact [Re: In(di)go]
    #798090 - 08/05/02 04:14 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

And where did Mr. Walsh get HIS statistical information??


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Re: A Fact [Re: mr freedom]
    #798094 - 08/05/02 04:16 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

theeeeehehehe... from Him/Her who is called I Am ... the one who provided the quote in my signature... whatever you want to call him/her... God


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Re: A Fact [Re: In(di)go]
    #798109 - 08/05/02 04:24 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Unfortunately your figure it incorrect.


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Re: A Fact [Re: In(di)go]
    #798161 - 08/05/02 04:55 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

i ask you this, where is the highest self or collective, where is that voice coming from? God is not a nowhere or a nothing if you believe in CWG. remember when at the end of book three he said if you look far enough into space you will see our past.


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Re: A Fact [Re: ViBrAnT]
    #799058 - 08/06/02 03:38 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

that voice is coming from everywhere... it's not about to whom god talks... it's about who listens!

could you explain your statement mr.mushrooms?


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Re: A Fact [Re: In(di)go]
    #799071 - 08/06/02 03:50 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

So, your "FACT" is, in fact, just the delusional rantings of a person who hears voices. Perhaps you should revise your topic title then.


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Re: A Fact [Re: mr freedom]
    #799082 - 08/06/02 04:05 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Im sorry, but now people are getting financial statistics from God?
Can I get some inside tips for good stock trades?
right........


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Re: A Fact [Re: GreyMatter]
    #799086 - 08/06/02 04:09 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

BTW:
1,000,000,000,000
/ 365 days
/24 hours
/60 min = 1.9 million

so there!


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Re: A Fact [Re: In(di)go]
    #799178 - 08/06/02 05:25 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I meant to say that your figure was not accurate. The United States gov't does not spend a trillion dollars a year on defense.

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Re: A Fact [Re: In(di)go]
    #799208 - 08/06/02 05:53 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

i find it funny that you guys call anything a fact that is written in some sciense book... not so long ago it was a fact that everything in this universe revolved around the earth, or that the earth was flat... but when it comes to a fact you get from the energy that created everything... naaaaaw he?s just delusional...
and yes greymatter... if you were to listen to god a little more, or to listen to him at all im sure he could give you some pretty good tips as in where to invest your money...
oh... and yes, i did the math... and i know its 1.9 million a minute... which makes it even worse...
and mr.mushrooms: i didn?t say the us government... i said world governments (plural)... should i take this as an example that most americans think that the states are the only country on this planet? there is no rest of the world for them... but i don?t want to judge you... i dont even know if your american... anyways, i hope you get my point... and after all, how do you know hom much money the states spend in "defence" (note that you call it defence, not attack when all countries use those weapons not to defend themselves but to attack just the amount of countries necessary as to frighten the rest off)


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Re: A Fact [Re: In(di)go]
    #799223 - 08/06/02 06:08 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Well there goes my reading comprehension. I would still like to see another source for that figure though. It's not that I disbelieve it but I want another source to show others. I'd rather not say> "Some guy on a message board said a guy in a book said...< if you get me.

I do not think everything in a science book is correct any more than I think anything in a religious book is correct.

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    #799239 - 08/06/02 06:23 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

the thing about believing everything in science books was directed to mr freedom, not to you... from what i have read in your posts you are a critical thinker, and open mind, therefore not likely to make a statement like the one mr freedom did...
and yes, i get your point... its like all AFOAFOAF of mine said that... bla bla bla... i would like another source for this as much as you do... but to be honest, i don?t think any country on this planet would give away an honest fact about how much of our tax money is spent on weaponry and military researches (i dont like to call it defence, because if no country would have the stuff bought from that money, there would be nothing to defend the countries from) ... hence, no military... hence the money goes to more humanitarian causes than destruction...
anyways, if i happen to find another source, ill tell you... and if you do, then notify me, ok?
oh! and one last thing... it?s not a religious - it?s a spiritual book...

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Re: A Fact [Re: In(di)go]
    #799252 - 08/06/02 06:36 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

www.westernpolicy.org/Conferences/ 20010425/testimony_panelA.asp

"I and a lot of people are not going to let that stop missile defense. If we believe it is in the interests of the United States to have a global defense and our allies can benefit from it for all kinds of reasons -- the cohesion of the alliance and the necessity of extended deterrence -- the United States will share the burden of the cost. Frankly, it's not all that much: over 10 or 15 years, a maximum of $60 billion to $80 billion, perhaps $100 billion. The United States pays over $300 billion annually just for its defense budget. The astronomical costs of the 1980s regarding SDI are out the window. We're not talking about costs that cannot be managed even by the United States. When you live in a world where Bill Gates could perhaps afford a missile defense system, surely the United States can. "

"There are two problems with NATO now. One is a burden-sharing problem. Of all defense spending worldwide, the U.S. spends about 32 to 33 percent, which is about 3.2 percent of its GDP. Many of the U.S.'s allies, on the other hand, don't spend nearly as much. Germany, for example, is heading down, some people speculate, to 1.1 percent of its GDP. So there's this growing gap. We have to ask ourselves whether that is sustainable in this country, both in Congress and among the general population."

Looks like your figures are correct.

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Re: A Fact [Re: ]
    #799257 - 08/06/02 06:41 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Mr. Mushrooms. Not arguing here I just want to clarify what Lozt Souls meant by his statement. Here is the correct statment without any damn exact, precise, statistical numbers to argue over.

did you know that our world?s governments are spending (WAY TO FUCKING MUCH) a year in military purposes (weapons, strategy, preparation)... that is (WAY TO FUCKING MUCH) every minute!!! that are just thrown out of the window for the stupidest reason you could think about:


now it is correct and we don't need another source. Spend that money on education, art and culture instead of war and hate. And Lozt is correct. It isn't spent on defense, it is attack. And don't even get me started on the term "Homeland Security." ARRGGHHHHH Fucking double talking politicians

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Re: A Fact [Re: ]
    #799263 - 08/06/02 06:45 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

good job Mr Mushrooms so the one trillion was fairly accurate. That disturbs me. Any one have statistics for how much we spend on our public schools???


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Re: A Fact [Re: postalboy]
    #799274 - 08/06/02 06:53 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

it really hurts... thank you very much for the research, mr. mushrooms...
only good thing about this is... a few people in here will start seeing people who have a connection with god as real, and not as delusional...


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    #799298 - 08/06/02 07:04 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

LOL! Sounds you're a lover not a fighter.

You mean Homeland Security doesn't make you feel safe?

I think the politicians mean well.

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Re: A Fact [Re: ]
    #800156 - 08/06/02 03:03 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I think the politicians mean well.

My most fervent daily wish is to be delivered from those who mean well.

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    #800284 - 08/06/02 04:20 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

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Re: A Fact [Re: ]
    #801754 - 08/07/02 08:13 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Actually Mr. Mushrooms, Homeland Security reminds me of something the communists from the early 50's would say. Didn't they always call Russia the Homeland? Well maybe the russians will start calling us the Blues and build bomb shelters while searching their own country for russians who are soft on americans. Sound familiar? This is where I think our country is heading.

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Re: A Fact [Re: In(di)go]
    #803706 - 08/08/02 03:05 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Sure governments do alot of fucked up shit but they all at some level are defending their beliefs. I mean would freedom and democracy still exist if our government didn't spend billions. A utopian world is nice to dream about while shrooming but it is impractical in the real world.


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Re: A Fact [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #804656 - 08/08/02 02:02 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

the problem lies a lot deeper, i know... thing is, that world i dream about is not utopical... it is possible... we just need a global shift of conciousness, so people stop living in fear, and start living in love... so "defence" is not needed anymore


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Re: A Fact [Re: In(di)go]
    #804795 - 08/08/02 03:32 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

We are humans, we kill, murder, steal, rape. What the fuck do you except from us? You can't expect every1 to put down their weapons and be peacefull. It's what we do. We fight.


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    #805047 - 08/08/02 05:30 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

did YOU ever kill, murder or rape?


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Re: A Fact [Re: In(di)go]
    #805305 - 08/08/02 07:08 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Wow, I can't believe I am going to type this.

For using only 7 words, that was an EXCELLENT rebuttal.

Thanks Mr. Mushrooms for the research. I had neither the time nor the inclination.
My point, as always, was that one should seek third party, or at least independant confirmation of "factual" statments. That is all I meant. I certainly don't know, for a "fact" that the author was dellusional.


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Re: A Fact [Re: In(di)go]
    #805582 - 08/08/02 08:59 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Lozt Soul,

where do you get your 'knowledge' of god - I mean where did you read about it? Have you ever experienced anything that has made you such a strong believer other than reading a book while tripping on mushrooms? Sorry about the slight condescension, but I've read so much BS about god or 'the spirit of god' and how it's manifested by humans that involve mushrooms - and I can understand or believe it as far as mushrooms may be utilized to 'get away' from reality, and alter your belief and help 'direct energy' in a way...
PS - I also don't believe all the crap people spew about how the ancient sumerians where in contact with 'advanced beings' etc. I think humans have much more potential in that we shouldn't need explanations for everything - shouldn't we be at a point where second guessing ourselves is over with... Why can't we just realize it...
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Re: A Fact [Re: MinkCoat]
    #805659 - 08/08/02 09:33 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

ancient sumarians in contact with higher beings? hmmmm, that sure did help them. that must be why they ruled the world, they had higher intelligence to back them.
some people will say anything, and some people will always believe them. but for those that don't get their info out of a supermarket tabloid...
there is no higher beings from aliens planets or farther dimensions that can be proved any more than God. yet you say "there is no God". i think i want to go count my hair now, it should be less confusing and deffinately less contradicting than some people can be.


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Re: A Fact [Re: In(di)go]
    #806021 - 08/09/02 02:06 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Not that it is impossible but realy, every person on the planet would have to undergo this "shift", and that is not likely to happen for quite a while. Unless people loose desire for sex and power (the same in the end) it just wont happen. Besides, without the bad stuff the good stuff sorta loses its meaning. Life would not be all beatifull cause there would be nothing to compare it to. It would lose its meaning. Life would then be a bland shade of grey.

Certainly in this world there is alot of bad shit but there is shitloads of good people, beatifull things, and happiness for those whoi open themselfs to it. It is dynamic, interesting, diverse, and challenging.. I think for the enlightened , men of knowledge, and warriors, this is a great place and time to be.

Didn't always feel that way though. I used to find excuses and feel sorry for myself, and generaly make sure that I was not happy.


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Re: A Fact [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #806117 - 08/09/02 04:38 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I abused people who fucked with me. Im sure I'll get my chance. You will all get your chance.


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    #806127 - 08/09/02 04:50 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think sex and power are the same.


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    #807091 - 08/09/02 01:15 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

the knowledge i have from god comes from within... it is inside of everyone of us, we just have to remember what we have forgot... reading that book gave me a lot of facts, and a lot of ways to explain this stuff to people, but the bottom line of the message was already with me before reading anything...
the faith i have i got after a seriously tough time in my life... in which i realized that it?s useless to wave your hand to god saying "why me?", because we work out our own problems... and we attract all situations and people to us, depending on what we want to experience... well, and after that time i realized that i had to go through everything, to become who and what i am right now... and i learned that no matter if you decide to call yourself a believer, or a christian, as long as you live in love and peace with yourself and your surroundings, you are walking the path of god... recognize every single human beeing as who it is... your brother... we are all one and could not NOT BE


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Re: A Fact [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #807114 - 08/09/02 01:24 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

i know where you come from... my point is that the stuff the governments are pulling off is not necessarry...
and i know that most people wouldn?t be able to appreciate the good things of life if the bad things didn?t took place... it?s the ying and yang... but fact is: we are living an illusion... the illusion of beeing separate from each other and from god... illusion that usually makes us think we are better, or deserve things more than other people... all attitudes that might lead to war... what i am trying to say is that we could see these things as what they are: an illusion... remember them, think about them without calling them into this reality, and through that thinking and reminding appreciate the oneness we have... do you understand what i am trying to say?
and well... sex and power... can be the same thing, if you want to look at it that way... but for me sex implies love, and implies unity... it is the most beautiful thing we can do, it is what shows us the truth of this existance... we are ONE...
and power... is actually not always a bad thing... it all depends on how you use it... actually i LOVE sex... and i LOVE power... but not for the mere fact of having them... but for the stuff i can experience through them... experience unity and oneness with the woman i love the most through sex... and experience that i can open peoples eyes, minds and hearts through power... experience that i am responsible for my life, and that i can change anything i want about it any second... because i have the POWER to...


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Re: A Fact [Re: In(di)go]
    #808047 - 08/09/02 11:17 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Well ok i guess. I just figure if we are meant to be perfect, loving spiritual being (all of us) than we would have been made that way (if we were "made"). I just think that all is as it is supposed to be. We struggle and feel pain and hardship. Sometime life suck. But it is perfect in its' inperfection.

As far as power and sex go, I guess I don't realy mean the same literaly. I think that we are physical creatures with basic instincts. Women try to find the best ( usualy means successful) man to create a family. The male instinct is to procreate through sowing his seed. If he wishes to do this he must find the best willing female. To do this he must be successful. Success tends to = money = power. Some want power in order to control the less powerfull. I want power to attract the most viable female to sow my seed.


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    #808962 - 08/10/02 02:40 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Some want power in order to control the less powerfull. I want power to attract the most viable female to sow my seed.

Try the illusion of power, sometimes it attracts just as well.


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    #809101 - 08/10/02 03:51 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: A Fact [Re: ]
    #809361 - 08/10/02 06:10 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Well if I'm gonna fake it I'll just imagine Rosey is a fine babe. So I guess nothing changes.


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Re: A Fact [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #811965 - 08/12/02 02:43 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

"We are humans, we kill, murder, steal, rape. What the fuck do you except from us? You can't expect every1 to put down their weapons and be peacefull. It's what we do. We fight"

"Well ok i guess. I just figure if we are meant to be perfect, loving spiritual being (all of us) than we would have been made that way (if we were "made"). I just think that all is as it is supposed to be. We struggle and feel pain and hardship. Sometime life suck. But it is perfect in its' inperfection."

People always explain our problems by saying it's just human nature, but if you examine the problem you'll see that it is rooted in education. OUr education is based on greed and ambition, not love and equality. WE are conditioned to act the way we do from the day we're born. If you look at the innocence of a child you will understand what true "human nature" is. Sure, we still have hatefullness and all that, it comes with the package, but we could be educated to learn how to deal with these feelings so we could understand and go beyond them. tHis utopia people fantasize about is really not that far away at all. It begins with a new kind of education.


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Re: A Fact [Re: In(di)go]
    #811996 - 08/12/02 03:55 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know why people get so hang up if the number is correct or incorrect, the point is that the world spends, more on wepons by large than any thing else, (we all know this).
Thats the real point that lozt Soul, is bringing up.
Finito.


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