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The Disclosure Project...Facts slowly being releas
    #596435 - 04/02/02 11:22 AM (22 years, 22 days ago)


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Re: The Disclosure Project...Facts slowly being releas [Re: ]
    #597570 - 04/03/02 11:46 AM (22 years, 21 days ago)

...only the tip of the iceberg of what we have recorded on digital videotape. That is, from over 120 hours of testimony by over 100 witnesses...

If 5 million people can be wrong, it is safe to say that 100 people could be wrong. Just because they testified on video doesn't make it less bs...

Hard evidence. Hard evidence. Hard evidence.
Surely, somebody swiped an alien finger or a picture of the inside of a downed UFO. If there was a conspiracy strong enough to keep any hard evidence out of people's hands, then any "witnesses" surely would have been silenced.


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Re: The Disclosure Project...Facts slowly being releas [Re: Sclorch]
    #597755 - 04/03/02 02:58 PM (22 years, 21 days ago)

reminds me of an posthumous elvis album called
'100 000 000 elvis fans can't be wrong'
oh yes they can!

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Re: The Disclosure Project...Facts slowly being releas [Re: mr crisper]
    #597775 - 04/03/02 03:53 PM (22 years, 21 days ago)

A friend of mine believes that all of these alleged UFO sightings are actually secret government testings of extremely high techology....


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Re: The Disclosure Project...Facts slowly being releas [Re: psilo25]
    #597817 - 04/03/02 04:35 PM (22 years, 21 days ago)

Funny you should mention that. When my father was in the service during the Korean conflict,
the following occured:

My father and a friend were hiking in the desert when they both witnessed a 'flying saucer.'
They watched the object as it disappeared behind a low mountain ridge. They hurriedly climbed
the ridge and upon reaching the top looked down to see the object, on the ground within a military
compound. They quickly left and told no one until they were out of the military.

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Re: The Disclosure Project...Facts slowly being releas [Re: ]
    #597981 - 04/03/02 08:38 PM (22 years, 21 days ago)

when my mother was in college in New York, she was in her apartment and she looked out the window and saw a UFO no farther than 100 feet away, right next to another apartment building but even with the roof level. She went out on the porch and yelled to a neighbor and her roommate to check it out. the neighbor went to her window, looked out and screamed (in fear) and stopped watching it. My mom's roommate came out to the porch and saw it too. Just to clear any misconceptions up, my mom never used any drug and she never drank. Shes a very sober minded person and i really believe she saw what she said she saw.


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Re: The Disclosure Project...Facts slowly being releas [Re: Sclorch]
    #597985 - 04/03/02 08:45 PM (22 years, 21 days ago)

http://mysticaluniverse.com/ufos_aliens/ufosightings/ufosightings.html

yeah these people could be wrong too, but there are a lot of sightings or just a whole lotta people who feel it nessesary to go out of their way to lie about something like this.


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Re: The Disclosure Project...Facts slowly being releas [Re: Eightball]
    #598020 - 04/03/02 09:26 PM (22 years, 21 days ago)

Please note that for all the sightings, even among believers, there is not one single shred of evidence that points to UFOs as vehicles coming from another star system.


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Re: The Disclosure Project...Facts slowly being releas [Re: ]
    #598039 - 04/03/02 09:53 PM (22 years, 21 days ago)


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Re: The Disclosure Project...Facts slowly being releas [Re: Swami]
    #598082 - 04/03/02 10:48 PM (22 years, 21 days ago)

considering that our technology was not close to being able to levitate objects without sound back in the 70s (even today), i would say it is highly improbable that human technology was being demonstrated back then.
Lets say these things are government secrets, why would our space program continue using combustion as a means of propulsion? this kind of tech. would impact a lot more than just spy planes. it could be applied to everything from the way computers work to perfect crystal growth to creating possible perpetual motion.

Now lets say they are alien. why do you have a problem believing that? we as humans tend to put our selves at the center of the universe and have this perposterous thought that we are the only life out there.


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Re: The Disclosure Project...Facts slowly being releas [Re: Eightball]
    #598114 - 04/03/02 11:16 PM (22 years, 21 days ago)

also i would like to add that the military would be a little smarter than to drive these things over and around populated areas. If you are proposing that its some other government (like russia? china? afghanistan?) why the freak are they just popping up in random areas (once again, where people can see them) and doing neat motion tricks and disappearing? if they were alien, they probably wouldn't care that we saw their craft. aliens might have their own little reasons for not actually getting on cnn and saying "hey, we're here." and i would think that some alien code of ethics would prevent them from interfering with our natural progression, or maybe they realize that a lot of people suck and depend on god to make it through their lives, and their mere existence would screw with the jesus freak's entire belief system.


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Re: The Disclosure Project...Facts slowly being releas [Re: ]
    #598132 - 04/03/02 11:31 PM (22 years, 21 days ago)

seems to me they'd disclose a lot more if it didn't cost five dollars


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Re: The Disclosure Project...Facts slowly being releas [Re: Eightball]
    #598165 - 04/04/02 12:09 AM (22 years, 21 days ago)

You went around and around, but my statement remains true. Once again, this is not my opinion. There is no evidence linking UFOs to another star system.


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Re: The Disclosure Project...Facts slowly being releas [Re: SoulTech]
    #598169 - 04/04/02 12:17 AM (22 years, 21 days ago)

The U.S. Patent office can and does grant patents to non-functioning inventions. So even if the rumor was true, that hardly means that there is a free-energy device in your future.

Try reading about the history of fraud and stock swindles in the free-energy arena. Not surprising, many of these bogus inventors wound their tales of unlimited energy around the Bible.


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Re: The Disclosure Project...Facts slowly being releas [Re: Sclorch]
    #598172 - 04/04/02 12:19 AM (22 years, 21 days ago)

Hard evidence. Hard evidence. Hard evidence.

Rumor. Heresay. Fabrication.


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Re: The Disclosure Project...Facts slowly being releas [Re: ]
    #598173 - 04/04/02 12:20 AM (22 years, 21 days ago)

Is this the new shroomism? Merely post a web-link without commentary or rebuttal? Gee, you're no fun anymore.


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Re: The Disclosure Project...Facts slowly being releas [Re: Swami]
    #598187 - 04/04/02 12:55 AM (22 years, 21 days ago)

how about extra-dimensional?


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Re: The Disclosure Project...Facts slowly being releas [Re: Eightball]
    #598197 - 04/04/02 01:17 AM (22 years, 21 days ago)

There is no evidence of another dimension EVEN existing, nevermind vehicles or entities existing there and able to cross over.

Try again, please.


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Re: The Disclosure Project...Facts slowly being releas [Re: Swami]
    #598335 - 04/04/02 06:40 AM (22 years, 20 days ago)

How about the Bermuda Triangle? Where do those ships go?

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Re: The Disclosure Project...Facts slowly being releas [Re: Swami]
    #598336 - 04/04/02 06:42 AM (22 years, 20 days ago)

And what of The Philadelphia Project back in '72?

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Re: The Disclosure Project...Facts slowly being releas [Re: ]
    #598362 - 04/04/02 07:20 AM (22 years, 20 days ago)

It is called "sinking". There is no evidence of a ship going into another dimension. The infamous Avengers that disappeared into the void were found - amazingly enough- -on the sea floor.

The Bermuda Triangle (of which the defintion constantly changes to accomodate a new missing ship or plane) is only one of the most heavily travelled shipping lanes in the world. The number of disappearances there are roughly proportional to the number of ships passing through as compared to world-wide disappearances.


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Re: The Disclosure Project...Facts slowly being releas [Re: Swami]
    #598421 - 04/04/02 08:58 AM (22 years, 20 days ago)

In case you don't know much about the Philadelphia Experiment, let me fill you in.
It was officially known as Project Rainbow. Was a top secret military experiment that attempted to make a battleship invisible. The first experiment was in 1943, when the US Navy attempted the first test on the USS Eldridge.
Their logic was simple. Making a battleship invisible is easy. All you have to do is take it into the next dimensional overtone and it is invisible to everything on this dimensional level. They wanted a cloaking device for the war.
To make something invisible, or to go into the next dimensional overtone, you have to create counter-rotating fields of energy at very specific speeds. In the experiment, the government scientists got counter-rotating fields going based on a star tetrahedron. Which looks something like this:
When you go from one dimensional world to another, the counter-rotating fields shoot from nine-tenths the speed of light to the actual speed of light, which involves an incredibly complex series of harmonics that build on each other
However, a problem occured in their calculations. The fields of energy were rotating properly, but something went wrong about halfway through. The experiment interdimensionally crashed. The battleship with everyone on it disappeared out of the Philadelphia Navy Yard for about 4 hours. When they reappeared some of the crew members were found literally imbedded in the deck, two were found in bulkheads, some were on fire, some didn't come back at all, and some were repeatedly materializing and dematerializing. The survivors were all completely disoriented. Two particular individuals on the battleship jumped off in the middle of the experiment thinking they could swim away, but when they landed they found themselves not in the Philadelphia Harbor but on Long Island, New York, in 1983. The reason they landed at this time is due to another experiment, called the Montauk Project. The individuals were named Duncan and Edward Cameron, if you care you research.

The Montauk Experiment was actually a series of experiments, mostly involving inter-dimensional time travel. Fully funded and backed by the US government. The first experiment was on August 12th, 1983. (The Philadelphia experiment was August 12th, 1943) The main purpose was to connect with and try to correct the out-of-control energy field in the Bermuda Triangle. The official title of this program is The Phoenix Project. Anyway, without going into too much detail, their plan to control the energy field did not help, but only made it worse.
Later on during the Montauk Project, they focused on mind control.. for instance.. in the Gulf War. The Iraqi soldiers had technology used on them that they couldn't possibly understand. They had no choice but to surrender.

As for the Bermuda Triangle. You say the number of disappearances there are roughly proportional to the number of ships passing through compared to world-wide dissapearances. I am curious as to where to obtained this information? Did you take into account the many reports of very strange incidents where pilots call in and say their equipment has gone haywire right before communication is cut off and they are never heard from again? How many trips have been taken to the bottom of the ocean there to see just how many sunken ships and missing planes are really there?

Anyway my point is even the government is well aware of other dimensional levels. Many physicists would agree that dimensions do exist. There is plenty of evidence supporting this, but I'll let you find it. I just wanted to make sure we were talking about the same thing. I don't recall any Avengers in the Philadelphia experiment. The 1972 thing is a whole other story.

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Re: The Disclosure Project...Facts slowly being releas [Re: Swami]
    #598457 - 04/04/02 09:38 AM (22 years, 20 days ago)

I don't ge it Swami, why do you support your theories on your so called "evidence" if the so called "evidence" is what the "people in charge" and/or mass media (the nowadays religion) wants you to see, why don't you open your mind to the less probable, your "evidence" has the same chance to be worked out and manipulated as others "evidence".
Anyway i build my reasoning upon facts and evidences as you do, you just consider some evidences as invalid because it scares you the idea of being wrong because those evidences have a higher probability of being wrong, although deep inside, you know they could be right, less probable but they could.
Also, where's the ability to question everything ? You have a systematic refusal to more "ethereal" points of view, have you ever question yourself about your own truth, can you handle and discredit every one of those facts ? I can't and that's why i allways question every truth, even if our science says it's wrong but other channels say it could be true you have to question yourself about that probability, and going back in the text, i don't believe you can't discredit every and all "ethereal" theory, at least i don't see you as a fucking normalized social robot.

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Re: The Disclosure Project...Facts slowly being releas [Re: MAIA]
    #598481 - 04/04/02 10:03 AM (22 years, 20 days ago)

Please don't ramble. Ask a specific question and I will attempt to give a direct and concise answer.


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Re: The Disclosure Project...Facts slowly being releas [Re: Swami]
    #598482 - 04/04/02 10:07 AM (22 years, 20 days ago)

Here is some interesting information regarding the bermuda triangle. Today there is less reported activity in the triangle compared to a few years ago but undeniably some amazing and unexplainable (with current physics) occurances happened:

1840: Rosalie, a large French vessel; found on course to Havana from Europe, in Triangle area, with sails set, cargo intact, all hands missing.

January 1880: British frigate Atalanta; left Bermuda for England with 290 aboard; vanished presumably not far from Bermuda.

October 1902: German bark Freya; found soon after leaving Manzanillo, Cuba, listing badly, partly dismasted, anchor dangling; calendar in captain?s cabin read
October 4 ? day after sailing.

March 4, 1918: US Navy supply ship USS Cyclops, 500 feet, 19,000 tons displacement; sailed March 4 from Barbados to Norfolk with 309 aboard; no bad weather; no radio messages; no wreckage ever found.

1925: SS Cotopaxi; vanished en route from Charleston to Havana.

April 1932: two masted John and Mary; New York registry; found floating but abandoned fifty miles south of Bermuda; sails furled, hull freshly painted.

February 1940: Yacht Gloria Colite from St. Vincent, BWI; found abandoned; everything in order; 200 miles south of Mobile, Alabama.

October 22, 1944: Cuban freighter Rubicon; found by Coast Guard in Gulf Stream off Florida coast; deserted, except for a dog.

June 1950: SS Sandra, 350-foot freighter; sailed from Savannah, Georgia, bound for Puerto Cabello, Venezuela; cargo 300 tons of insecticide; passed St. Augustine, Florida, then disappeared without leaving a trace.

September 1955: Yacht Connemara IV; mysteriously abandoned 400 miles southwest of Bermuda.

February 2, 1963: Marine Sulphur Queen, 425-foot freighter; vanished without message, clues or debris; en route to Norfolk, Virginia, from Beaumont, Texas, with all hands; last heard from near Dry Tortugas.

July 1, 1963: Sno? Boy, sixty-three-foot fishing boat; forty aboard; sailed from Kingston, Jamaica, to Northeast Cay, eighty miles south; disappeared with all hands.

1924: Raifuku Maru, Japanese freighter; radioed for help between Bahamas and Cuba, then disappeared.

1931: Stavenger, freighter with crew of forty-three; last heard from near Cat Island, Bahamas.

March 1938: Anglo-Australian, freighter with crew of thirty-nine; last message received west of Azores: ?All well.?

December 1967: Witchcraft, cabin cruiser; passenger and owner disappeared while craft was at harbor buoy one mile from Miami.

April 1970: Milton Iatrides, freighter en route from New Orleans to Capetown.

March 1973: Anita, 20,000-ton freighter with crew of thirty-two, sailing from Newport News to Germany.

And this is only some of the ships that were reported, not to mention the aircraft.
This information is taken from Berlitz's book "The Bermuda Triangle" and quoted off of http://ascension2000.com/ConvergenceIII/c310.htm

I have been reading an online book that covers aether or zero point energy physics and theory entitled "Convergence III" found at: http://ascension2000.com/ConvergenceIII/ . I'm on chapter 10 of 15 and find the book extremly fascinating. It covers a ton of different topics that are brought up on this message board. I strongly recommend everyone take a look at it.

This last chapter I read is titled Vortex Shifts of Time and Dimensional Levels. This chapter has information pertaining to The Philadelphia Project, Bermuda Triangle, Tom Bearden (The guy that has the free energy paton I posted about earlier) and a ton of other dimensional phenomena and theory. I recommend you don't browse this chapter without reading the first 10 because the information is much more dynamic when read in sequence and it would be hard to understand otherwise.


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    #598539 - 04/04/02 11:12 AM (22 years, 20 days ago)

> How about the Bermuda Triangle? Where do those ships go?

Me thinks those ships go to the bottom of the ocean.  :smile:


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    #598567 - 04/04/02 11:43 AM (22 years, 20 days ago)

Me thinks there also may be pirates involved.

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Re: The Disclosure Project...Facts slowly being releas [Re: Swami]
    #598583 - 04/04/02 12:06 PM (22 years, 20 days ago)

.. ramble right ? I was expecting something like that , well, must be my english or something...
Anyway, i accede your request, this question kinda sumarizes the idea of my previous text:
Do you believe in absolute truths ?

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Re: The Disclosure Project...Facts slowly being releas [Re: Swami]
    #598664 - 04/04/02 01:17 PM (22 years, 20 days ago)

"There is no evidence of another dimension EVEN existing, nevermind vehicles or entities existing there and able to cross over.

Try again, please. "

how educated are you in quatum mechanics? how about unified field theory study? dimensions are a very REAL things. for you to simply refute my argument with your simple lack of knowledge on the subject makes you appear quite stupid. don't comment unless you know what you're talking about. so don't try again please.


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Re: The Disclosure Project...Facts slowly being releas [Re: Eightball]
    #598721 - 04/04/02 02:10 PM (22 years, 20 days ago)

"dimensions are a very REAL things"

If you're referring to dimensions other than the normal ones we all experience, your talking
about theories. It may be theoretically possible that they exist but I've yet to hear
about any proof. If you have it, could you please enlighten us or direct us to a source
that we can refer to and learn about it?

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Re: The Disclosure Project...Facts slowly being re [Re: Seuss]
    #598756 - 04/04/02 02:50 PM (22 years, 20 days ago)

>Me thinks those ships go to the bottom of the ocean.

Wouldn't there be oil slicks or other evidence of a ship sinking to the bottom of the ocean? There were quite a few ships and aircraft that disappeared. Nothing was ever found of them. No oil no flotsam nothing. The ones that were found were intact but didn't have a crew onboard.

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    #598784 - 04/04/02 03:40 PM (22 years, 20 days ago)

to explain the various "forces" in nature; electromagnetic, gravity, strong and weak nuclear forces, there has to be both "lower" and "higher" dimensions. one thing we tend to do a lot is label something as mystical or whatnot, like back in the day they said the sun was being pulled by a chariot across the sky, later we developed the "concept" of gravity, but we're still no closer to explain what it is. we can only say it invisibly pulls at all other objects in space, dependant on the mass of the object and distence between the object and what its effecting. hell, we might as well say invisible elves run through space, the number of them dependant on the mass of the object, and they are the ones responcible for keeping our planet orbiting the sun. theres really a lot more to this, but try searching google for keywords like: unified field theory, hypersphere, maxwell einstein field equations


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