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S&P, how do you feel about this, it concerns everyone?
    #4306359 - 06/17/05 02:49 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

this is everyone's situation, no matter what your beliefs. can the earth withstand 25 more years of this? Or am I being too paranoid?

check here

the photos from NASA clearly shows that half of the polar ice caps have melted in a span of 24 years. At this rate, in another 25 years, our north pole will almost be gone.

Is it me or are we ignoring this? maybe I'm being a little paranoid but this here is a major issue. I think a the picture helps define our problem for us quite well..don't you?

what kinds of ideas will humans have to change in order to prevent the Earth's caps from permentantly melting in our lifetime? Is it too much...hopeless even? thoughts?


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.---senior doobie


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Re: S&P, how do you feel about this, it concerns everyone? [Re: kaiowas]
    #4306494 - 06/17/05 03:27 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: S&P, how do you feel about this, it concerns everyone? [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #4306516 - 06/17/05 03:37 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

you obviously have a naive view of government


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Re: S&P, how do you feel about this, it concerns everyone? [Re: faslimy]
    #4306533 - 06/17/05 03:44 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: S&P, how do you feel about this, it concerns everyone? [Re: kaiowas]
    #4306538 - 06/17/05 03:46 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

this is everyone's situation, no matter what your beliefs. can the earth withstand 25 more years of this? Or am I being too paranoid?




it's fireball of ionized air measured 10 kilometers (7 miles) across.
The force of the Tsar Bomba was 50 Megatons

Now lets look at the Chicxulub Impact that arguably wiped out the dinosaurs. It was equivalent to 100.000.000 Megatons

50 Mt  vs  100.000.000 Mt... notice a slight discrepancy?

Let that polar ice melt. The earth will be fine. Life on earth will be fine. There will be less land for the animals but more sea for the fishes :wink:

Most plantlife is in the sea in the form of free floating algi. They breathe most CO2 and have the highest rate of pulling carbon from the ecosystem, fossilizing into... fossile fuels :smirk:

If the greenhouse effect will melt the north pole there will be more cubic meters of ocean, thus more algi, thus more carbon fixation... Fossile fuels, once burnt, return to fossile fuel so in essence they are renewable energy too :evil:, it just takes a while to renew it!

Mother Earth will be just fine. Life on Earth will be just fine. It will be just as fine without us.

All the impact we have on the enviroment (toxic pollution, radioactivity redistribution, mass extinction) is basically the same thing as a big asteroid smacking down on the soil.

And did the 100.000.000 Mt asteroid punch right through the earth's crust into the lava? Hell no, it just made a 100 mile wide dent in the earth's crust!

Everything is fine. If we want things to be more pleasant we must reduce our harmful approach to civilization, however.
Let's face it: we're an Extinction Level Event!





We Will All Go Together -- Tom Lehrer

When you attend a funeral,
It is sad to think that sooner or
Later those you love will do the same for you.
And you may have thought it tragic,
Not to mention other adjec-
Tives, to think of all the weeping they will do.
But don't you worry.
No more ashes, no more sackcloth.
And an armband made of black cloth
Will some day never more adorn a sleeve.
For if the bomb that drops on you
Gets your friends and neighbors too,
There'll be nobody left behind to grieve.

And we will all go together when we go.
What a comforting fact that is to know.
Universal bereavement,
An inspiring achievement,
Yes, we all will go together when we go.

We will all go together when we go.
All suffuse with an incandescent glow.
No one will have the endurance
To collect on his insurance,
Lloyd's of London will be loaded when they go.

Oh we will all fry together when we fry.
We'll be french fried potatoes by and by.
There will be no more misery
When the world is our rotisserie,
Yes, we will all fry together when we fry.

Down by the old maelstrom,
There'll be a storm before the calm.

And we will all bake together when we bake.
There'll be nobody present at the wake.
With complete participation
In that grand incineration,
Nearly three billion hunks of well-done steak.

Oh we will all char together when we char.
And let there be no moaning of the bar.
Just sing out a Te Deum
When you see that I.C.B.M.,
And the party will be "come as you are."

Oh we will all burn together when we burn.
There'll be no need to stand and wait your turn.
When it's time for the fallout
And Saint Peter calls us all out,
We'll just drop our agendas and adjourn.

You will all go directly to your respective Valhallas.
Go directly, do not pass Go, do not collect two hundred dolla's.

And we will all go together when we go.
Ev'ry Hottenhot and ev'ry Eskimo.
When the air becomes uranious,
And we will all go simultaneous.
Yes we all will go together
When we all go together,
Yes we all will go together when we go.



Oh yeah before I forget:
The north pole icecap floats on top of the ocean like an icecube in a glass of water. Dunk an icecube into a glass of water, put a stripe at the waterlevel and tell me how much sealevels have risen when the icecube has melted :evil:


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Re: S&P, how do you feel about this, it concerns everyone? [Re: kaiowas]
    #4306581 - 06/17/05 04:08 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

People themselves have to be concerned. They have to be concerned about the technological innovations they have, and how they can use and apply them to adapt to the new and developing atmosphere.

Nature isnt static, so we cant always expect to have everything fine. But we have to understand nature, and a part of that is understanding ourselves.

We cant always fight everything, and protect from disaster. This is a natural process of adaptation. How we as a people respond, as individuals, and as a group will determine our sucess in adjusting to the new environment.

ITs one of my main reasons for studying what im studying... We will need to change the way we live our lives, its happened all throughought time...


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Re: S&P, how do you feel about this, it concerns everyone? [Re: Asante]
    #4306697 - 06/17/05 05:43 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the very intelligent informative post WS. :thumbup:


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Re: S&P, how do you feel about this, it concerns everyone? [Re: kaiowas]
    #4306796 - 06/17/05 08:23 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

It is still not sure wheather this is due to human polution or a natural cycle of ice age and warm age


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Re: S&P, how do you feel about this, it concerns everyone? [Re: kaiowas]
    #4306856 - 06/17/05 09:34 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I'm with WS! :heart: :smile:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: S&P, how do you feel about this, it concerns everyone? [Re: kaiowas]
    #4307028 - 06/17/05 11:35 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

So another concerned citizen, but what actually gets done about this.

Nothing.

I don't know what to do either. I can't stop and change the view of these power swilling bastards. They will probably die clutching the very greed that kills them and us all.

I'll love it if a huge tsunami wipes everyone out. Hopefully a few good people can start again. Idealisticly learning from the mistakes that man seems doomed to repeat.


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Re: S&P, how do you feel about this, it concerns everyone? [Re: kaiowas]
    #4307042 - 06/17/05 11:39 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I don't believe it. If that much ice has melted wouldn't the oceans levels be alarmingly high, like enough that it would be a known fact to any educated person that we have a serious problem???


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Re: S&P, how do you feel about this, it concerns everyone? [Re: Ego Death]
    #4307044 - 06/17/05 11:40 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Well if you believe the bible (which I don't) A big flood did wipe out the human race and left a "few good men". And we're right back where we started.  :rolleyes:


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Re: S&P, how do you feel about this, it concerns everyone? [Re: barfightlard]
    #4307322 - 06/17/05 01:19 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't believe it. If that much ice has melted wouldn't the oceans levels be alarmingly high




Quote:

The north pole icecap floats on top of the ocean like an icecube in a glass of water. Dunk an icecube into a glass of water, put a stripe at the waterlevel and tell me how much sealevels have risen when the icecube has melted




Thats the thing: the North Pole is a giant icecube in the glass of water which is the ocean. If the entire north pole icecap melted it wouldnt rise sealevel because sealevel is already pushed up by the buoyancy effects of the ice. (water displacement, basic physics most scientists have overlooked)


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Re: S&P, how do you feel about this, it concerns everyone? [Re: Asante]
    #4307488 - 06/17/05 02:38 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

If 'New-World-Order-ists' stay right, then we will get more and more addicted to the monetary system.
We will have to afford heavy sunblockers, gas-exchangers, protection stuff, medical treatments against cancer and depression.
The true consequences of the melting of the poles are unknown, because if the water-level of the ocean rises, there will be much more area to vaporize the water into the atmosphere, what will cool down earth again. But...
If the environment collapses, we will be totally dependent on our new 'masters', leaders and science-preachers. That will be the end of natural human freedom.
Thats why western governments do so less against it, especially the USA.

Those are some of my main concerns.


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Re: S&P, how do you feel about this, it concerns everyone? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #4307498 - 06/17/05 02:43 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I haven't seen any "natural human freedom" in quite awhile, if ever. :tongue:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: S&P, how do you feel about this, it concerns everyone? [Re: Asante]
    #4307563 - 06/17/05 03:08 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Wiccan_Seeker said:
Thats the thing: the North Pole is a giant icecube in the glass of water which is the ocean. If the entire north pole icecap melted it wouldnt rise sealevel because sealevel is already pushed up by the buoyancy effects of the ice. (water displacement, basic physics most scientists have overlooked)




Makes sense. :thumbup:

Would the dilution of the ocean be much of a concern, since the ice caps are fresh water? The salt to water ratio would drop, I wonder if this would affect current life under the sea much..... If it would, Epsom would make billions in government contracts to prevent it from happening... :smirk: Which means the Mormons would get very rich and would take over the world....  :eek:

I was personally looking forward to seeing the ocean's water level raise several inches, I favor the submersion of the West and East Coast, and the Mississippi River becoming an extension of the Gulf of Mexico (bringing the ocean to me! :evil:).

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Re: S&P, how do you feel about this, it concerns everyone? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4307833 - 06/17/05 04:18 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Would the dilution of the ocean be much of a concern, since the ice caps are fresh water?

Not much. The antarctic ice is mostly fresh water, but the arctic ice cap is composed of mostly frozen sea water. Its specific gravity is slightly lower than sea water due to snow precipitation, but not much.
Additionally, if the oceans were shallow, then the salinity might be significantly affected, but the average depth of the ocean is ~10,000 feet with some places 30,000 feet or so.

Imagine a glass of water 1 foot high containing, say, one liter of water. Add to that 100 milliliters of dye and stir. The die would significantly color the water.

Now imagine that same diameter glass, but much deeper, say a kilometer tall. Add the same volume of die and stir, and you won't even see the dye for the dilution.

The thickest parts of the arctic ice cap are around 20 meters thick with the average around 3 meters. Compare that with the average ocean depth plus the mostly sea water composition of the ice cap, and it's clear that salinity will not be significantly affected.

The Earth is 5 billion years old. We've only been here a speck of time, some 200,000 years. At our worst, we're a mosquito bite on the Earth. It will recover nicely once we're gone. The real reason to conserve is self-preservation.


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Re: S&P, how do you feel about this, it concerns everyone? [Re: kaiowas]
    #4307964 - 06/17/05 04:43 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Or am I being too paranoid?
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Re: S&P, how do you feel about this, it concerns everyone? [Re: Asante]
    #4308022 - 06/17/05 05:02 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Arent a lot of the ice caps are on land, and engaged into earth, so they arent "boyant" ?.. they are on a shelf. Another thing, these ice caps release tons of cold water, changing the temperature of the water and consequently drifts and ocean currents, which in turn effect weather all over the planet.


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Re: S&P, how do you feel about this, it concerns everyone? [Re: Zero7a1]
    #4308048 - 06/17/05 05:13 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

There's no land at the north pole.


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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