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Can technology fix the problems technology created
    #1133462 - 12/11/02 06:06 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Simple question, kina the other side of the nature coin or so it would seem.
Can technology fix the problems that technology has created? It's obviouse that along with technology comes extraneous crap that makes the environment nasty. We all hope that somehow (like some kind of star trek episode) there will be some machine that can say, fix the ozone or fix whatever, but it seems like a paradox no?


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Re: Can technology fix the problems technology created [Re: upupup]
    #1133492 - 12/11/02 06:14 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

The answer is unequivocally yes!

In fact, I think it is the only realistic way we will ever solve the environmental problems that our original technology has created.

Already there are cars that run on sustainable forms of energy instead of using fossil fuels. Recycling is becoming more and more common, and more people are simply becoming aware and educated about environmental issues in general.

The environment is a hot topic these days. Soon it will be profitable for companies to make environmentally friendly machines, which will make them more available according to the logic of supply and demand. Along with this, it will become more common for politicians with environmental agendas to become elected, especially in the future when the environment is an even bigger concern with even more people.

Either we are going to fix our mistakes by making newer and better technology, or we are going to destroy ourselves. The only alternative option is to "de-evolve" in a sense... To go back to the way that Native Americans once lived and rid ourselves of our harmful technology. I think this solution (although I would personally like it more) is a lot less realistic that the technology solution.

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Re: Can technology fix the problems technology cre [Re: upupup]
    #1133511 - 12/11/02 06:17 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Well, some of them I think. Maybe later we will send up ozone-patching robots. That seems like a possibility. One thing we'll never be able to do is rebuild an ecosystem, though. If rotting nuclear submarines were to destroy most of the marine life, we'd never be able to design replacement ecosystems with all the infinite variables and relations between the hundreds of thousands of species of microorganisms. Or maybe we could. I wouldn't count on it though, cause it won't happen anywhere near soon. And by then I think it'll be too late. Time to cut our losses and change our ways fast.


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Re: Can technology fix the problems technology created [Re: upupup]
    #1133596 - 12/11/02 07:00 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Some think that science can fix the problems that science creates but that is a misnomer. Science itself is valueless and as such cannot fix anything because it is incapable of showing what is right or wrong.

Any technology can be, and many have been, misused by man. As a knife can be used to heal it can be used to kill. The greater the technology the greater effects are had at its misuse and abuse.

Television could have been used as an instrument to provide free education for all but instead we have the Simpsons.

Similiarly, the power of the atom could have been used for many good and noble purposes. It wasn't always used that way.

Can man heal himself? The verdict is still out but the evidence doesn't look good.


Edited by Mr_Mushrooms (12/11/02 07:01 PM)


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Re: Can technology fix the problems technology created [Re: ]
    #1133765 - 12/11/02 09:15 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Without the Simpsons I wouldn't know how to burp and fart at the same time.

See that just goes to show ya that you shouldn't discount things before you have rationally thougth them out :-)


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Re: Can technology fix the problems technology created [Re: chemkid]
    #1133788 - 12/11/02 09:25 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

Yeah, I just knew when I was writing that someone was going to use them as an educational model.


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Re: Can technology fix the problems technology created [Re: ]
    #1133974 - 12/12/02 01:37 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Hey man, back off!
Simpsons are one of the few cartoons that has (or used to have) witty comedy (subtle shit that a writer actually has to THINK about)... though I think those writers were sacked awhile ago, cuz the new episodes have become painfully boring and predictable but i dont watch tv anymore anyways SO THERE FUCK SHIT
But yea, my point is, Simpsons has(had) evidence of serious thought. Funny shit!

What was this thread about again?

Oh yea, I definately think we are capable of harnessing technology to make this world beautiful. But will we do it before we annihilate ourselves? Ignorance is putting up a helluva good fight. Fuckin parasite.



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Re: Can technology fix the problems technology created [Re: ]
    #1134542 - 12/12/02 05:47 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Television could have been used as an instrument to provide free education for all but instead we have the Simpsons.

So true! I've thought about and been angered by the misuse of TV technology many times before...


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Re: Can technology fix the problems technology created [Re: ]
    #1134841 - 12/12/02 07:49 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Television could have been used as an instrument to provide free education for all but instead we have the Simpsons.

The Simpsons is like the only show worth watching! Why did you use this show as an example when 99% of the rest of the stuff on TV is crap?

:mad: :confused: :tongue:

Oh, yeah....

I believe technology for the most part can help repair damage to the planet, if we would ever decied to do it. We won't of course, why would we build machines now that cost 2 times as much just because they help the envronment? Of course, this is just because of production- we keep building the stuff that we have been using...anything new would take a long time to be infused into the market.


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Re: Can technology fix the problems technology created [Re: upupup]
    #1134852 - 12/12/02 07:55 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Given what Mr. mushrooms said, could we use technology to fix the problems we have created with our own technology?
Sure, why not? Life created a self sustaining eco system and it was supposedly guided by mere fate. It would bother me if we could'nt do the same. Do you know of any information that leans in either direction?


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Re: Can technology fix the problems technology created [Re: upupup]
    #1134900 - 12/12/02 08:26 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Can technology fix the problems that technology has created?




I think so, thats one of the beautiful things about Human-Beings; we will always find a way. If we create a problem, then eventually we'll resolve it. The sad thing is that other issues may arise. :frown:


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Re: Can technology fix the problems technology created [Re: David_Scape]
    #1135306 - 12/12/02 10:34 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)



Humans will never be able to "design" and "create" an eco-system that functions like a natural one. Never...


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Re: Can technology fix the problems technology created [Re: upupup]
    #1135326 - 12/12/02 10:42 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)


I think that SOME of the problems that technology created will be able to be fixed using technology.

However, this will not be the case if technology continues in the way that it is. There needs to be a major shift towards appropriate and important technologies and a shift away from wasteful and frivolous gadgetry. We also need to realize when we DON'T need sophisticated technology. There are many things that do not need to be so mechanized and high-tech dependant as we are made to believe. Food production is one example...

Therefore I think that knowing where technology is needed and where it is not is the way to fix the problems that technology has created.


Also... We are going to need to work out an accepted definition of "Technology" for this thread! A flint knife is a form of technology...


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Re: Can technology fix the problems technology created [Re: LOPHO.MP]
    #1135360 - 12/12/02 10:56 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

why not?


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Re: Can technology fix the problems technology created [Re: upupup]
    #1135485 - 12/12/02 11:49 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

There is a theory going around that the HARPA radio station in Alaska is what is causing the ozone layer to deplete, and the that weather can be harnessed and used as a weapon. check this out for more http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1196.cfm


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Re: Can technology fix the problems technology created [Re: upupup]
    #1135521 - 12/12/02 12:06 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Can technology fix the problems that technology has created?

Problems cannot be solved at the same level of awareness that created them. If we evolve and grow, then it is possible. That's the only way.


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Re: Can technology fix the problems technology created [Re: LOPHO.MP]
    #1135707 - 12/12/02 01:23 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Also... We are going to need to work out an accepted definition of "Technology" for this thread! A flint knife is a form of technology...

Nice point...not a pun....

We are going to get into the whole natural thing again though and I have no more hair to pull out...... :crazy:

this is what websters says-
tech.nol.o.gy n, pl -gies [Gk technologia systematic treatment of an art, fr. techne art, skill + -o- + -logia -logy] (1859) 1 a: the practical application of knowledge esp. in a particular area: engineering 2 b: a capability given by the practical application of knowledge 2: a manner of accomplishing a task esp. using technical processes, methods, or knowledge 3: the specialized aspects of a particular field of endeavor --

I think most of us were thinking more along the lines of the second and 3rd deffinitions but it is true that flintknapping (banging on rocks to make them sharp) is a technology.

In a way the question is still relavent and defining technology dosen't really change that at all.

Therefore I think that knowing where technology is needed and where it is not is the way to fix the problems that technology has created.
Exactly. Having the choice doesn't mean you have to choose it.

I watched some TV at work a while back (I like the pretty colors and I don't watch TV at home and when it's on I am totally sucked into it) and they showed surgery being performed on a patient by a robot somewhere in the states  being controlled by a physician in France. At the time I was amazed and expressed my amazement to a surgeon a short time later. He remarked that he knew about that but didn't see any point to it since there will always have to be a surgeon present to perform surgeries. He was of course assuming that the medical establishment will always be on the vigil with thier turf wars, but he was also reflecting his idea that there are some things technology will just not ever do....


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Re: Can technology fix the problems technology created [Re: upupup]
    #1135745 - 12/12/02 01:35 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

"Let's figure out this whole food and air deal first! Then you can all go back to your running!"
-another bill hicks quote, while ranting about the global situation.


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Re: Can technology fix the problems technology created [Re: upupup]
    #1136853 - 12/12/02 09:15 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Well obviously we can't fix-fix the problems of technology, though maybe we could use technology to put humanity back into balance with nature. At least then the ecosystem wouldn't keep getting shittier and shittier.


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Re: Can technology fix the problems technology created [Re: upupup]
    #1139776 - 12/13/02 09:51 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I've always liked this quote:

"Excessive use of technology will ultimately enslave mankind"

No idea who said it though.


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