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OfflineFrog
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Diamonds are a girl's best friend
    #4180508 - 05/16/05 12:38 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

My bf and I were discussing wedding rings. What size, what shape. We entered into a discussion of what does it mean to have a big diamond vs. a small diamond vs. no ring at all, or maybe just a gold band.

My opinion is that it shows how much a guy values you, how much money he plunks down (invests in) on a diamond. His opinion is different. I won't say what it was, but his opinion got me to thinking.

What is the meaning behind an engagement ring?

Do you hold value in such a thing? Is the giving of an engagement ring a good custom?


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Re: Diamonds are a girl's best friend [Re: Frog]
    #4180532 - 05/16/05 12:43 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I hold no value in it. My girlfriend/partner would never accept one.

If you think how much money he spends on you shows how much he values you, then he has just bought himself a material girl.

I know where I would be heading. :thumbdown: :mushroom2:


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Re: Diamonds are a girl's best friend [Re: Frog]
    #4180551 - 05/16/05 12:47 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Diamonds are a form of carbon. That's the extent of my thought on the subject. If you feel that your husand has to support a corrupt industry to show you his love, then go for it, but as for me I think it's all bullshit.


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Re: Diamonds are a girl's best friend [Re: Cherk]
    #4180555 - 05/16/05 12:49 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

the 3 rings of failure

the engagement ring
the wedding ring
the suffering


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Re: Diamonds are a girl's best friend [Re: Icelander]
    #4180562 - 05/16/05 12:51 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I have a diamond on my ring finger. At first I was unsure about it, I'd never worn one before. It was funny telling people that I was engaged and most womens eyes went straight for my hand.

I would have been happy with no ring at all, a promise is good enough for me.... but I got one, and now that I'm used to it, I think it's the most beautiful ring in the world. The shiniest, most perfect cut diamond in the world couldn't hold a candle to my little pebble.


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Re: Diamonds are a girl's best friend [Re: Frog]
    #4180568 - 05/16/05 12:53 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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His opinion is different. I won't say what it was




aww come on :smile:



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What is the meaning behind an engagement ring?
Do you hold value in such a thing?




meaning? value?
Such trinkets can not possibly represent your love, but that is what they are supposed to stand for. Diamonds are the hardest element on earth, unbreakable by any force man can create. So is your love, unbreakable and clear. No deceptions or lies lie in diamonds, at least that is the concept behind it.
When the light enters a diamond it is magnified. When your partner enters your life, you magnify his light into something even greater than he could ever accomplish on his own and vice versa.


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Re: Diamonds are a girl's best friend [Re: flowstone]
    #4180586 - 05/16/05 12:58 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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flowstone said:
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His opinion is different. I won't say what it was



Diamonds are the hardest element on earth, unbreakable by any force man can create.




Actually all you gotta do is heat a diamond with a blow torch and drop it in some liquid oxygen, and bye bye diamond.


Edited by Smoker For Peace (05/16/05 12:58 AM)


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Re: Diamonds are a girl's best friend [Re: Cherk]
    #4180596 - 05/16/05 01:00 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I left my liquid oxygen in my other spare wallet :smirk:
I guess you COULD destroy a diamond if you really wanted too ;0


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Re: Diamonds are a girl's best friend [Re: Frog]
    #4180773 - 05/16/05 01:53 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

My husband is my best friend. :heart:


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Re: Diamonds are a girl's best friend [Re: Frog]
    #4180921 - 05/16/05 02:41 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

To me, the ring is a superficial symbol of the bond between two people, with emphasis on the superficial. To me, it means nothing (my bank account on the other hand...). I guess most women are gold diggers.

Now I have a question for the ladies: would you still want a diamond ring as a symbol of love/bond if a nice big one cost about $10?


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Re: Diamonds are a girl's best friend [Re: moog]
    #4181038 - 05/16/05 03:15 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Most people can't tell the difference between a real diamond and a good fake diamond. So what's the point?


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Re: Diamonds are a girl's best friend [Re: moog]
    #4181058 - 05/16/05 03:20 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

This just *might* seem a bit nutty to you, but if you are very Adept in Magick, you could take a lump of coal, "clear the crystal", and then go sell the raw diamond to a merchant...

OK. Even I'm not far along enough to pull THAT stunt off (yet), but I'm working on it... hehehe


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Re: Diamonds are a girl's best friend [Re: Frog]
    #4181076 - 05/16/05 03:28 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

im a fan of gold weeding bands nothing shiny nothing fancy im just that kind of guy. But if my women was an efevesent dazzeling kinda women and a large diamond would coplement her beauty then id get her that larg rock.


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Re: Diamonds are a girl's best friend [Re: Frog]
    #4181089 - 05/16/05 03:33 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Diamonds represent women and children getting their arms chopped off by greedy, bloodthirsty warlords in west Africa.


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Re: Diamonds are a girl's best friend [Re: jcldragon]
    #4181093 - 05/16/05 03:34 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

CherryBomb said:
I would have been happy with no ring at all, a promise is good enough for me.... but I got one, and now that I'm used to it, I think it's the most beautiful ring in the world.  The shiniest, most perfect cut diamond in the world couldn't hold a candle to my little pebble.



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Now that is just plain out sweet.....  :tongue2:  :heart:
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jcldragon said:
This just *might* seem a bit nutty to you, but if you are very Adept in Magick, you could take a lump of coal, "clear the crystal", and then go sell the raw diamond to a merchant...
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OK. Even I'm not far along enough to pull THAT stunt off (yet), but I'm working on it... hehehe



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Grasshoppa~, you must be one with the crystal, and listen to it so you can understand
--BEFORE you can talk to it and demand it manipulate it's structure for you.....  :grin:


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Re: Diamonds are a girl's best friend [Re: Silversoul]
    #4181117 - 05/16/05 03:50 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Paradigm said:
Diamonds represent women and children getting their arms chopped off by greedy, bloodthirsty warlords in west Africa.




On Bill Mahr, he was talking about this.

He told one of his feminist friends about the harm that comes from African diamond mines. He mentioned the arms getting chopped off.

His otherwise sensible (as he tells it) female friend, in a moment of shocked disbelief and, still looking for a reason to love diamonds asked, "Both arms?"


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Re: Diamonds are a girl's best friend [Re: Frog]
    #4181138 - 05/16/05 04:06 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Frog said:

My opinion is that it shows how much a guy values you, how much money he plunks down (invests in) on a diamond.



Thank God my girl is nothing like you.

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What is the meaning behind an engagement ring?



The inception of the engagement ring itself can be tied to the Fourth Lateran Council presided over by Pope Innocent III in 1215. Innocent declared a longer waiting period between betrothal and marriage; plain rings of gold, silver or iron were used earliest. Gems were more than baubles; they were important and reassuring status symbols to the aristocracy. Laws were passed to preserve a visible division of social rank, ensuring only the privileged wore florid jewels. As time passed and laws relaxed, diamonds and other gems became obtainable to the middle class.

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Do you hold value in such a thing?



No.

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Is the giving of an engagement ring a good custom?



No.


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Re: Diamonds are a girl's best friend [Re: Silversoul]
    #4181153 - 05/16/05 04:18 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Paradigm said:
Diamonds represent women and children getting their arms chopped off by greedy, bloodthirsty warlords in west Africa.




Diamonds represent themselves, just as "bloodthirsty warlords" represent themselves....   

One does not speak for the other....  :wink:

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Re: Diamonds are a girl's best friend [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4181154 - 05/16/05 04:19 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Ever heard of causal relationships? Representation is often causal. Your logic is flawed.


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Re: Diamonds are a girl's best friend [Re: spud]
    #4181161 - 05/16/05 04:25 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

My logic....?    What is my logic...?  :heart:

So, with your logic, does the diamond speak for the "bloodthirsty warlords",
or do the "bloodthirsty warlords" speak for the diamond....?

Then answer me this....    Who put a "pricetag" on "Life vs. Rock"....?  :wink:


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