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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: egghead1]
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egghead1 said:
Delusion_of_Self said:
I do admire the good in people but I don't think is right to look the other way when I see others being hurt by others ignorant ways. You are supposed to help others to grow and grow with them, not bash them to the ground ocasionally when you feel like it.


By bashing down your illusions his remarks make you grow. The weeds die to fertilize the seed of enlightenemnt. But that just what an old Zen master told me, don't listen to him though, he's just the fool sitting on the sidewalk begging for change. :wink:


There's a different between bashing to help and bashing because you lack understanding and don't aprove. I'm not talking about agreement, just understanding. If you were to teach your son that fire burns would you burn his arm? or would you help him through understanding?
I still don't agree with you or some of Swami's ways --be it for good or not-- but I respect his right... but his right ends where mine begins.


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"It is never a question of belief; the only scientific attitude one can take on any subject is whether it is true. The law of gravitation worked as efficiently before Newton as after him. The cosmos would be fairly chaotic if its laws could not operate without the sanction of human belief." -- Sri Yukteswar

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Delusion_of_Self]
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By the way I do not condone the anti-Swami thread or discrimination in anyway. I have always tried to make him see that he is too hard on others. You can blind yourself into believing is all for the sake of good, but truly, is it?


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"It is never a question of belief; the only scientific attitude one can take on any subject is whether it is true. The law of gravitation worked as efficiently before Newton as after him. The cosmos would be fairly chaotic if its laws could not operate without the sanction of human belief." -- Sri Yukteswar

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Delusion_of_Self]
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I'm actually begining to like Swami more and more... I think he just needs a hug.

He has good, logical and rational arguments. If your [insert topic here] is never challenged, it can't grow and reach its full potential.


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I've seen the infinite. It's nothing special.


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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Delusion_of_Self]
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Delusion_of_Self said:
egghead1 said:
Delusion_of_Self said:
I do admire the good in people but I don't think is right to look the other way when I see others being hurt by others ignorant ways. You are supposed to help others to grow and grow with them, not bash them to the ground ocasionally when you feel like it.



By bashing down your illusions his remarks make you grow. The weeds die to fertilize the seed of enlightenemnt. But that just what an old Zen master told me, don't listen to him though, he's just the fool sitting on the sidewalk begging for change. :wink:


There's a different between bashing to help and bashing because you lack understanding and don't aprove. I'm not talking about agreement, just understanding. If you were to teach your son that fire burns would you burn his arm? or would you help him through understanding?
I still don't agree with you or some of Swami's ways --be it for good or not-- but I respect his right... but his right ends where mine begins.


How can you judge anothers intentions? The very fact that you are offended by him points to s problem inherent in yoursaelf. Nothing is hurt except the ego,he isnt making insulting comments about anyone, nor is he damaging anything, he is merley challenging concepts, what is so awful about that? What do you mean by "Where his right ends mine beings", is this implying that you are somehow mor important or rightious than he?


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All you need is Love! Really thats it! Infinite Unconditional Love! Just develop that and all else will fall into place perfectly!

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
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Many here ask how I can be so eogotistical to feel that I am nearly always right and that is a fair question. The answer is equally simple.

Experience, research and historical reinforcement (perspective).

The pyramid power nuts of 30 years ago have all but faded away. The popular "Secret Life of Plants" and "Chariots of the Gods" have been totally debunked. The 8mm Bigfoot film, the faerie and Nessie photographs were all ADMITTED frauds. Roswell turned out to be a top-secret mogul balloon. The Harmonic Covergence failed to converge (as will the 2012 hocum). Gulf Breeze UFOs and The Marfa Lights and the Phoenix Lights were exposed.

People wailed and moaned when I pissed on the "Face on Mars" and the alleged nearby Martian City. NASA confirmed what I ALWAYS stated: It was a trick of light run through the pattern-recognition filter of the human brain.

And on and on. NOT ONE SINGLE PARANORMAL claim has EVER been shown to be true. That is unlikely to change. EVERY SINGLE PERSON taking a SWAMI CHALLENGE has failed to deliver. (Shroomism: could use that herb for my upcoming 50th birthday bash in June!)

You see folks, I was once the wide-eyed young believer, but it is hard to keep up that position with ZERO reinforcement.

I have demonstrated time and time again how people are easily tricked. Do I know "THE ANSWERS"? Not even close, but I do know "THE QUESTIONS"!  :stoned:


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: egghead1]
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"I should accept every fifth bullshit story as gospel? I should inquire only part-way? I should not probe too deeply and quit before any truth or lie is uncovered?"


well i agree with the poster that said your skepticism seemed limited to that which is outside generally accepted scientific theory.

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: mygodisme]
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I'm actually begining to like Swami more and more... I think he just needs a hug.

Without clothes and covered by vegetable oil? *whips out Barry White CD*


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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: egghead1]
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Am I judging his intentions? Or am I trying to make him see that there's no need to create havoc or to indirectly or directly trash others belief regardless of personal views in that matter. I know he is conscious of his actions...there's no doubt about that.

Nothing is hurt but the ego? So it makes it right? I can't see the logic or love in that. Didn't you once posted that all beings are susceptible to pain? Should we inflict pain onto others just because is the mere ego who is getting hurt?

His rights end where my begins is to say in other words that we are all equals... we are all equal in rights. When a man violates the rights of others he is basically violating the equality. He is putting himself above others as if we all were less.


I never said I was free from problems or that I am completely correct? I do recognize my mistakes. And regardless of Swami's ways, his criticism (there's a difference between constructive or destructive) I feel the need to apologize for the joke I made yesterday and my comment regarding racket ball and his philosophy. I was thinking about that for a while since I said it. And now seems like the right time.

My apologies Swami!  :heart:

I still don't condone some of your ways. Continue as you will as I've said all I needed to say.


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"It is never a question of belief; the only scientific attitude one can take on any subject is whether it is true. The law of gravitation worked as efficiently before Newton as after him. The cosmos would be fairly chaotic if its laws could not operate without the sanction of human belief." -- Sri Yukteswar

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Delusion_of_Self]
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By the way I'm not saying that he has hurt me in anyway...But I do see others here being belittled based on their beliefs as he has tried the same with me. Is not based on my pain but his ways. I think Swami would be far more enriching if he would be more kind...I know...it is me...continue as you were...


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"It is never a question of belief; the only scientific attitude one can take on any subject is whether it is true. The law of gravitation worked as efficiently before Newton as after him. The cosmos would be fairly chaotic if its laws could not operate without the sanction of human belief." -- Sri Yukteswar

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
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Sure! As long as you also supply some other fun stuff =)


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I've seen the infinite. It's nothing special.


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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
but sometimes i think he is too skeptical

I should accept every fifth bullshit story as gospel? I should inquire only part-way? I should not probe too deeply and quit before any truth or lie is uncovered?

Explain.


you should not accept things either way..
you can never be sure of anything, you can go 80% in one direction or another, but you seem to often be 100$ sure of things.
Human beings do not have the possibility of being 100% sure of anything


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I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Delusion_of_Self]
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Delusion_of_Self said:
You are totally misinterpreting my words. You are arguing what I'm not. And you talk about love?


Maybe, but I don't think so. I think still, that words only do to us what we want them to. Swami never hurt anyone here, EVER , to my knowledge. And yes I talk about Love. Unconditional love. Without condition, weather I like you or not, I realize what you say is just your personality structure, and not who you really are in total. You are life itself, expressing itself. :heart: :thumbup: It doesn't further my living to mistrust life. I disagree with you and yet I know I might be the one who is wrong. I am not addicted to being right. I would like it though. That's the love I'm talking about. Not making decisions for how others should feel. I trust that they get everything they need from existence for their growth and are capable of that growth. I will not try to second guess what's good for others. I don't need to protect them from their life and their lessons. Can you see that the way you feel about anything in life is a choice, your choice? :heart: :mushroom2:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Delusion_of_Self said:
You are totally misinterpreting my words. You are arguing what I'm not. And you talk about love?


Maybe, but I don't think so. I think still, that words only do to us what we want them to. Swami never hurt anyone here, EVER , to my knowledge. And yes I talk about Love. Unconditional love. Without condition, weather I like you or not, I realize what you say is just your personality structure, and not who you really are in total. You are life itself, expressing itself. :heart: :thumbup: It doesn't further my living to mistrust life. I disagree with you and yet I know I might be the one who is wrong. I am not addicted to being right. I would like it though. That's the love I'm talking about. Not making decisions for how others should feel. I trust that they get everything they need from existence for their growth and are capable of that growth. I will not try to second guess what's good for others. I don't need to protect them from their life and their lessons. Can you see that the way you feel about anything in life is a choice, your choice? :heart: :mushroom2:


I seond this post, youve summed up my feeling exactly. This has saved me a few minutes of typing  :thumbup: :heart: :grin:


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All you need is Love! Really thats it! Infinite Unconditional Love! Just develop that and all else will fall into place perfectly!

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: egghead1]
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Hopefully people read this post and don't take everything so personally :wink:.

~Giving it a philosophical element so the mods don't get to pissed off :smirk:.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Delusion_of_Self said:
You are totally misinterpreting my words. You are arguing what I'm not. And you talk about love?


Can you see that the way you feel about anything in life is a choice, your choice? :heart: :mushroom2:


Yes I can. Did I say otherwise? That is the nature of misinterpretation.

EDIT: When I meant you are arguing what I'm not this is exactly what I meant.


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"It is never a question of belief; the only scientific attitude one can take on any subject is whether it is true. The law of gravitation worked as efficiently before Newton as after him. The cosmos would be fairly chaotic if its laws could not operate without the sanction of human belief." -- Sri Yukteswar

Edited by Delusion_of_Self (04/27/05 02:41 PM)

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: egghead1]
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Every six months or so, the forum does one of these types of threads and then we gather around a fire, roast marshmellows, drop some E, hold hands and sing:

Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya

Someone?s singing lord, kumbaya
Someone?s singing lord, kumbaya
Someone?s singing lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbayah

Someone?s laughing, lord, kumbaya
Someone?s laughing, lord, kumbaya
Someone?s laughing, lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya

Someone?s crying, lord, kumbaya
Someone?s crying, lord, kumbaya
Someone?s crying, lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya

Someone?s praying, lord, kumbaya
Someone?s praying, lord, kumbaya
Someone?s praying, lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya

Someone?s sleeping, lord, kumbaya
Someone?s sleeping, lord, kumbaya
Someone?s sleeping, lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya


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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Swami]
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lol :grin:


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"It is never a question of belief; the only scientific attitude one can take on any subject is whether it is true. The law of gravitation worked as efficiently before Newton as after him. The cosmos would be fairly chaotic if its laws could not operate without the sanction of human belief." -- Sri Yukteswar

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Delusion_of_Self]
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Ok, I will give in and agree that Swami should be crucified.

Place and time to be determined after discussion.
RSVP.


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I am what Willis was talkin' bout.

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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OldWoodSpecter said:
Swami said:
but sometimes i think he is too skeptical

I should accept every fifth bullshit story as gospel? I should inquire only part-way? I should not probe too deeply and quit before any truth or lie is uncovered?

Explain.


you should not accept things either way..
you can never be sure of anything, you can go 80% in one direction or another, but you seem to often be 100$ sure of things.
Human beings do not have the possibility of being 100% sure of anything




Everybody telling Swami how he should feel. :grin: :crazy2: :crazy2: :tongue2: If Swami wants to think he's 100% sure, let him think that. :rolleyes: I love all the power that he is given here. He must be in his glory and having a laugh at the same time.  I've  never witnessed anything like it on any of the forums I frequent.

It's a fucking phenomena. :grin:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Icelander]
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Adoration and insult have about the same effect. My "power" does not come from without.


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