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InvisibleUlysees
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Dolphins...
    #446360 - 11/04/01 05:53 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I had some thoughts on dolphins the other day, which might of course be total garbage, but they went something like this:
Dolphins are in fact as highly evolved as us (or moreso mentally). I don't think this is much disputed.
Back in the primordial soup, desciscions were made, and our forefathers decided to leave. Their brothers decided to stay in the sea. (I guess it wasn't a descision, but anyhow...)
Life evolved in both the sea and on land, long story short, we're here, dolphins are there.
There are some differences between living in the sea and living on land... Being on land permitted us to develop limbs, that we eventually began to use to modify our environments. The dolphins however could not. They need their fins and tails to move around efficiently, and they need to be pretty large to retain heat in the cold water. Thus, things like arms and thumbs are not available to them, and they cannot modify their environments. Despite those setbacks (as we would consider them) the dolphins continued to evolve mentally.
So my (possibly bogus) conclusion is this: Dolphins are like our cousins who ended up being hindered by their actual environment. (If you were to put one guy in the rain forest and one guy in the desert, you'd see the same results. The guy in the desert is at a natural disadvantage.)

Or, maybe it's more like this: Intelligent life just happened to evolve in both land and sea environments. The same disadvantages applied to the dolphins (locomotion, warmth, etc. as well as the added burden of not living in the atmosphere you breathe.)

What is the point of this? Buy dolphin friendly tuna. ;)


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Re: Dolphins... [Re: Ulysees]
    #446397 - 11/04/01 08:32 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah..I think you're on the the right track with that theory. I just finished reading this book called "Nothing in this book is true but it's exactly how things are" and in it it says something about how dolphins and whales are more highly evolved than us. It also says that dolphins have "human hands" inside their fins.

I've always wondered what a blue whale thinks about. I would really like to swim along side one, maybe it would let me know.


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Re: Dolphins... [Re: Ulysees]
    #446542 - 11/04/01 01:16 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, I think so. Btw Ulysses, read Shroomism's posts, he says Cetaceans(dlophins, whales, etc.) are highly evolved also.
I'm going to be ordering "Nothing..." very soon.....most concepts true....a lot of Tool's meaning can be found in that book too.


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Re: Dolphins... [Re: KeepAskingTime]
    #446575 - 11/04/01 01:42 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I kept hearing about it and hearing about it so today finally I ordered "Nothing in th.......", and now I am eagerly awaiting its arrival.


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Re: Dolphins... [Re: Adom]
    #446636 - 11/04/01 02:51 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah it's a great book, now i'm just waiting for the sequel "something in this book is true".....


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Re: Dolphins... [Re: Revelation]
    #446721 - 11/04/01 04:27 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Those books are flipped! Just remember the title while reading them... :)


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Re: Dolphins... [Re: Ulysees]
    #446741 - 11/04/01 04:54 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

well, actually dolphins & whales evolved on the land like the other mammals & eventually decided to move back into the sea...
(& it is quite possible that human ancestors had aquatic phase a few million years ago during a prolonged african drought...)
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then again, maybe YHWH did make the plants and animals druing that first week, & formed man from the dust of the earth & breathed in adam'snostrils for that special touch...
or maybe aliens plopped us and other homonid races & cetaceans, etc from various other star systems from within the galactic community...
or coyote and the other animals in council came up with man as a joke...
or brahma is dreaming us all in his sleep...
or the people came from the drops of fluid spilled during the struggle between the twim brothers of the sky...
etc, etc...
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anyway, if ontology recapitulates phylogeny in truth, our cousins in the sea have their offspring, during their embryonic journey, go through a state in which the cetacean fetus closely resembles that of the primate fetus... and continues to develop beyond that stage... mmm, food for thought, no?
and as to human ancestors spending a few hundred thousand years in the ocean shallows/estuaries (certainly time enough for noticable evolutionary alterations of primate phenotypic expression due to genomic selection of "desirable traits"...) well several human behavioral and physiological differences between homonid & pongid lines could be explained by a few hundred generations spent splashing in shallow waters (for an interesting exploration of this topic, please see _the descent of woman_ )
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Re: Dolphins... [Re: gnrm23]
    #446902 - 11/04/01 07:50 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

they are more socially advanced too!

They don't go to war and murder each other.


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Re: Dolphins... [Re: D_Tox]
    #446906 - 11/04/01 07:55 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I'm moving to the ocean. :)


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Re: Dolphins... [Re: D_Tox]
    #446909 - 11/04/01 07:57 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

What are you guys talking about? dolphins rape eachother all the time, they are in fact rape eachother more than people.


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Re: Dolphins... [Re: MeltingPenguin]
    #447803 - 11/05/01 04:29 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Dolphins know nothing but love. Rape? I think not.
Dolphins and Humans are the only beings on Earth that have sex for pleasure.
I must keep this short as I am not on my computer and will still be away for a while :)
Dolphins are descendants from a race in the Sirius star system. They are the holders of the Earth's wisdom and history, and have stayed on Earth in order to help guide mankind into the next level. Have fun in the ocean.


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Re: Dolphins... [Re: ]
    #447866 - 11/05/01 05:29 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Actually, I think dolphins (a specific species of Odontocetes) evolved from a dog-like creature (ungulates) that was the progenator of whales and hippos as well. I understand the desire to diefy a creature as elegantly evolved as dolphins, but they're just animals...like human beings. But just because something occured naturally through a process of this planet doesn't mean that it's any less of a marvel. We shouldn't need to attribute some vauge extra-planar origin to things in order to find wonder in them. Finding wonder in our world is the essence of mysticism.

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Re: Dolphins... [Re: Ulysees]
    #448011 - 11/05/01 08:03 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

There is a Simpsons episode that explains this quite well.
The dolphins originally lived on land, humans in water, but humans chased the dolphins into the seas and took over the land for themselves...

Or if you prefer to have some more mystery read Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy.

But seriously, it's possible.


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Re: Dolphins... [Re: Ulysees]
    #448191 - 11/05/01 10:16 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

yeah, dolphins....
they're aliens.
we all know it.
just 'cause they don't have space ships don't mean nothin'.


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Re: Dolphins... [Re: Axiom420]
    #448330 - 11/06/01 12:02 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Well, I'm more inclined to agree with Ishmael... I doubt they are aliens (I wouldn't rule it out I guess) but the possibility of that seems slim... I would say that there is a higher possibility that all life originated from something alien than dolphins being aliens. I put a lot of faith in the evolution theory, I'm sort of combining religious theology with science... I don't see any reason why dolphins would be aliens. I'm don't doubt that there are aliens somewhere, I just doubt that they are dolphins (but I guess I could be wrong. When I think about it I consider it a novel idea, and entirely within the realm of possibilities.)


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Re: Dolphins... [Re: Ulysees]
    #450501 - 11/07/01 06:28 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Dolphins... [Re: zetek]
    #450554 - 11/07/01 07:10 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the link zetek. These things (which I had never heard before) might negate a few things I was pondering. Still, perhaps not. My ideas were of course just ponderings. I wonder how that affects the alien idea? Are these studies linked directly to dolphins as well? Perhaps dolphins could be to whales as what "humanoid" aliens are to us.


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Re: Dolphins... [Re: Ulysees]
    #452192 - 11/08/01 10:24 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I have a question - If dolphins are as smart as us, doesn't that mean if we took a dolhpin from birth and communicated with it like you would a kid (except using a machine or a language that enables it to hear us and us to hear it) then shouldn't it grow up to have the intelligence of a human?


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Re: Dolphins... [Re: Juggles]
    #452229 - 11/08/01 10:48 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I suppose they could, but I haven't heard of a machine able to do that... I think you first have to learn their language, break it down, and then you might be able to program it and "emit" it to the dolphin. They work on a totally different system than us. It's like when you get the internet through a phone line. Your computer is totally digital, and phones are analog (or something like that). You need a modem in between to change the signals over the phone line into a readable (off/on) message your computer can read.


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Re: Dolphins... [Re: Ulysees]
    #452235 - 11/08/01 10:52 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

But if we had them from birth don't you think we could teach them some kind of language that we both understand (like how we taught gorillas sign language)


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