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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: wandrnshaman]
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wandrnshaman said:
Solidly faithless,
he and his cronies stamp out each hopeful or profound ideas to a number;
dedicated to keeping the spirituality out of the s&p forums and
spiritual advancement *out* of the Shroomery.



:lol:

Apparently some people have broad misconceptions of exactly what spirituality means... :shocked:

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: wandrnshaman]
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wandrnshaman said:
Solidly faithless,
he and his cronies stamp out each hopeful or profound ideas to a number;
dedicated to keeping the spirituality out of the s&p forums and
spiritual advancement *out* of the Shroomery.

Any fabrication can be rationalized into being the truth. To some this is an art.


Sorry I don't see Swami as faithless. He has faith in himself. He believes what he believes from his own perception of his experience. :thumbup: If one doesn't like his view it can be easily passed over. :thumbdown:

Your defination of Spiritual seems narrow and within "acceptable" defination. I think every fuckin thing in the whole Goddamned Universe is Spiritual. That means Swami! :grin: :mushroom2:

You give him supernatural powers, when saying he stamps out "hopefull" ideas. How are they so profound if he has the power to so easily destroy them.  :thumbdown: :heart:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Icelander]
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Why come here unless you want debate? This isn't some place to get mollycoddled, stick cushions out for each other and all cooo at each other ? go to your grandmother?s for that and munch a few of her cookies. To debate one needs someone who proposes the opposite, or something tangential, to ones statement.

Debating is a challenge.

If you can't handle the heat....get off the boards. I mean 'anti' is pretty pathetic if you ask me. Why don?t you just stand up for yourselves in the arena? Or at least not care what anyone else says if you feel so sure of your ?truth?.

What a ridiculous thread. If Swami had started an Anti-*insert your name here* thread it would have been howled off the boards.

Big up to Swami

I like you big guy (but you know that :wink:)

edit: soz Icelander - this wasn't meant to address you, it was meant to be addressed to the original post and those who feel 'anti' swami.

Edited by CJay (04/27/05 10:31 AM)

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
wandrnshaman said:
Solidly faithless,
he and his cronies stamp out each hopeful or profound ideas to a number;
dedicated to keeping the spirituality out of the s&p forums and
spiritual advancement *out* of the Shroomery.



:lol:

Apparently some people have broad misconceptions of exactly what spirituality means... :shocked:

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


:thumbup:


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All you need is Love! Really thats it! Infinite Unconditional Love! Just develop that and all else will fall into place perfectly!

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Deviate]
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Deviate said:
i like swami but sometimes i think he is too skeptical.


I posit that Swami is not skeptical enough. His skepticism seems to be limited to that which is outside currently generally accepted scientific theory. Why the apparent unquestioning faith in scientific establishment dogma?


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"In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination."
-- Mark Twain

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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What gets me is his ignorance.  :frown:

He states he doesn't believe in something then when you provide evidence he just ignores it and keeps stating that you are wrong and have no proof.

Don't believe me?  Check out Swarmi being nailed into a corner and having no escape but complete ignorance of all my questions.  I ask him like 30 times to justify his beliefs or answer the question! http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3707314/page//fpart/all/vc/1


Swarmi don't claim to be an unbiased skeptic when really you have deluded yourself with your own opinions, like us all.  This is why you are said to have a big ego, because you believe you own opinion to the core and repeatedly state that you believe others to be less 'diligent' than you.

If you are so diligent, then follow the path of open-minded-ness or continue to be controlled by your deluded beliefs.


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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Autonomous]
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Yes, its a 'stick with the sheep' technique. Everybody knows that if you follow the general consensus you will get the majority on your side.

Its exactly this type of thinking that prevents science from progressing. We stigmatise ghosts and UFO's because we are scared of them. Scared so we stigmatise so that they are not talked about, not accepted. We throw stones at them calling them 'witches' because we do not understand.

I am the exact opposite of this. I go against the grain. I stand out and speak for the truth when everyone is wrong. I accept the concequences of societies dislike. I sacrafice being liked by everyone for being honest with what I sense.

I'm not saying that either outlook makes that person any better but that if somebody didn't stand out then we would of never of progressed. Man would still believe that cracking a nut with a stone to be the best tecnique!

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Ego Death]
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:smile:

Hurrah for Swami!

Huzzah for drama!

Yay for aliens from the Pleiades travelling through spatial hyperspace from the 5th dimension!


Sex with dolphins


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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Ego Death]
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Well I looked at the tread. Glanced really, so maybe I missed something. :thumbdown: :mushroom2:

Once again Swami just has an opinion like each and everyone else here. If you want to put a lot of weight to his comments, of course that's your choice. When I read him I either agree or disagree. If it's worth it. I'll debate it. I fear him not. I respect him a lot. I also realize that no one knows it all. We all have good and not so good arguments for our beliefs. And that is all they are. I'm so impressed that this man, can push so many buttons. I usu sally feel that when that happens he's on the right track. I think Swami is a very Spiritual person. That's why he continues to express his beliefs in spite of everyones feelings toward him. Very few have the courage of their convictions to this extent. This in no way makes him right or wrong. He is on a path toward his own intellectual, emotional, spiritual, evolution. Sometimes I agree with your posts and sometimes not. I don't waste my energy busting your chops over it. It really isn't important. Loving each other unconditionally is important and the hardest thing to do. That means I don't have to take anything personally. Why, really are you so angry about him?  Understanding that would be worth more than, weather he's an asshole or not or weather there are aliens or not. :heart: :mushroom2:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Well I looked at the tread. Glanced really, so maybe I missed something. :thumbdown: :mushroom2:

Once again Swami just has an opinion like each and everyone else here. If you want to put a lot of weight to his comments, of course that's your choice. When I read him I either agree or disagree. If it's worth it. I'll debate it. I fear him not. I respect him a lot. I also realize that no one knows it all. We all have good and not so good arguments for our beliefs. And that is all they are. I'm so impressed that this man, can push so many buttons. I usu sally feel that when that happens he's on the right track. I think Swami is a very Spiritual person. That's why he continues to express his beliefs in spite of everyones feelings toward him. Very few have the courage of their convictions to this extent. This in no way makes him right or wrong. He is on a path toward his own intellectual, emotional, spiritual, evolution. Sometimes I agree with your posts and sometimes not. I don't waste my energy busting your chops over it. It really isn't important. Loving each other unconditionally is important and the hardest thing to do. That means I don't have to take anything personally. Why, really are you so angry about him?  Understanding that would be worth more than, weather he's an asshole or not or weather there are aliens or not. :heart: :mushroom2:


Wise words my friend. Unconditional Love is what we need.  :thumbup: :heart:


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All you need is Love! Really thats it! Infinite Unconditional Love! Just develop that and all else will fall into place perfectly!

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: egghead1]
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What's so funny about peace, love and understanding?


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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Shroomism]
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Huh?  :confused:


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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: egghead1]
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:heart:


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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Shroomism]
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:heart: :grin:


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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: egghead1]
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I do admire the good in people but I don't think is right to look the other way when I see others being hurt by others ignorant ways. You are supposed to help others to grow and grow with them, not bash them to the ground ocasionally when you feel like it.


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"It is never a question of belief; the only scientific attitude one can take on any subject is whether it is true. The law of gravitation worked as efficiently before Newton as after him. The cosmos would be fairly chaotic if its laws could not operate without the sanction of human belief." -- Sri Yukteswar

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: egghead1]
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I just saw this thread and my first impulse was to dump it. Had this thread been started by Swami and directed at almost anybody else, that person... along with most of the forum... would have been screaming for Swami's head. I find such a double standard both sad and very disturbing. I do not see how it is fine to bash Swami, "in good spirit" of course, but it is a sin against all that is holy for Swami to bash bad arguments. If our faith is so fragile that it breaks when Swami tickles it, then there is a problem with us and our faith, now with Swami.

Nobody is perfect. Swami has flaws just as I do, but that doesn't give me the right to attack him because he doesn't view the world the same way that I do. I might not always like his style, but I respect his opinions.

I cannot speak for others, but rather than worry about Swami's ego I am going to worry about my own for a bit.

... Swami, my respect for your maturity went up a notch after this... there aren't a lot of people that can take a bashing (not just this post) and continue on without lashing out.


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Just another spore in the wind.

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Delusion_of_Self]
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Delusion_of_Self said:
I do admire the good in people but I don't think is right to look the other way when I see others being hurt by others ignorant ways. You are supposed to help others to grow and grow with them, not bash them to the ground ocasionally when you feel like it.


You aren't "supposed" to do anything. That's just your subjective beliefs on right and wrong. Other people choose to be hurt by words. If they have low self esteem than anything anyone says can devastate them. But "saving" them from these words will not help them and can do them a disservice. We all need to learn how to love ourselves the way we are. One will always need to deal with the words of the world. Way too many humans are afraid of the words of others and so give up their freedom by lack of courage and self regard. :heart:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Delusion_of_Self]
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Delusion_of_Self said:
I do admire the good in people but I don't think is right to look the other way when I see others being hurt by others ignorant ways. You are supposed to help others to grow and grow with them, not bash them to the ground ocasionally when you feel like it.


By bashing down your illusions his remarks make you grow. The weeds die to fertilize the seed of enlightenemnt. But that just what an old Zen master told me, don't listen to him though, he's just the fool sitting on the sidewalk begging for change. :wink:


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All you need is Love! Really thats it! Infinite Unconditional Love! Just develop that and all else will fall into place perfectly!

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Icelander]
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You are totally misinterpreting my words. You are arguing what I'm not. And you talk about love?


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"It is never a question of belief; the only scientific attitude one can take on any subject is whether it is true. The law of gravitation worked as efficiently before Newton as after him. The cosmos would be fairly chaotic if its laws could not operate without the sanction of human belief." -- Sri Yukteswar

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Re: The anti-Swami thread. [Re: Autonomous]
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Why the apparent unquestioning faith in scientific establishment dogma?

The key word here is "apparent". While science occasionally is discussed here; it is not the main thrust.

AND - while I have TOTAL FAITH in the scientific method of inquiry (properly applied - it is NEVER WRONG), I do not accept all scientific and medical dogma at face value.


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The proof is in the pudding.

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