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 do you think that anti-gravity propulsion is possible? 
#1640931 - 06/17/03 10:11 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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well these dude do. they want to make a propellentless propulsion system and it looks like a ufo. http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/gct_xprize_030615.html
ill believe it when i see it but it would be damn cool if it worked.
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 Re: do you think that anti-gravity propulsion is possible? [Re: blaze2]
#1641050 - 06/17/03 10:53 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Given appropriate funding, GCT envisions flying an initial prototype of the Space Tourist around 2012.
I had to laugh when I read that. 
Gravity control would be very awesome indeed, I think that it may even make time travel possible.
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 Re: do you think that anti-gravity propulsion is possible? [Re: psyphon]
#1641494 - 06/18/03 03:47 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gravity control would be very awesome indeed, I think that it may even make time travel possible.
hows that?
i mean i know that gravity control would make friction a non issue and allow for extreme speeds and all that but how does that make time travel possible? im interested in this since i havent heard anyone else say it. please elaborate. peace
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Re: do you think that anti-gravity propulsion is possible? [Re: blaze2]
#1641504 - 06/18/03 03:59 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is it possible to travel faster than "Time" itself?...if so..then I suppose thats how...
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Re: do you think that anti-gravity propulsion is possible? [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
#1641513 - 06/18/03 04:12 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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welll if you travel at the speed of light then you dont really age while everybody else ages incredibly fast or maybe i have it backwards. either way its a one way thing there isnt a "rewind" button so i dont see how that could be used to "travel" through time.
although i just though of something. if you can defy gravity then a black hole couldnt stop so you. so someone could go find out what was up with the inside of that thing you know. i always wonder what really happens when you dive into one of those. peace
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Re: do you think that anti-gravity propulsion is possible? [Re: blaze2]
#1641593 - 06/18/03 05:49 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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The way our current theories describe black holes, any rotating matter that collapses into a black hole will form a "ring-formed timelike singularity" at the center of the hole, which is impossible to visualize but mathematically it's a piece of spacetime which has infinite density and where time goes in a loop. A non-rotating black hole can be seen as a special case where this ring is collapsed into a point. Since all stars and galaxies rotate, non-rotating black holes seem unlikely.
If you fall into such a black hole you can never get back out through the same event horizon, but if the hole is big enough you could avoid being crushed to death at the singularity by passing through the ring. What happens next can't be determined or extrapolated from theory: you need to add additional information about what's on the other side of the singularity. That's where all the speculation comes in about wormholes that connect different parts of space and time and other parallell universes. And until someone sees something that could be the other end of such a wormhole (a "white hole") it will remain pure speculation...
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Re: do you think that anti-gravity propulsion is possible? [Re: Rhizoid]
#1641682 - 06/18/03 07:29 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey Blaze, for a complete description on Einsten's theory on relativity and how it works, check out www.howstuffworks.com and search for "Relativity" .. it explains the time slowing down and what not to a T.
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Re: do you think that anti-gravity propulsion is possible? [Re: nubious]
#1643131 - 06/18/03 10:59 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Time travel could be possible through time dilation. Speed and gravity are what cause time dilation. The more gravity an object has on itself, the slower time moves for it. This means, if we had enough gravity, time would move so slow that we could travel at 400 mph, when in truth it would be much much much quicker. But relative to the people travelling it would be just 400 mph. But it wouldn't be per hour, because time would be so dilated. Do you understand?
Black holes have such a great mass that there's an infinite amount of time at the center. This is because gravity doesn't really exist. Instead, Eintstein said there is a 4th and 5th dimension, space and time. Imagine space time as a velvet blanket which everything rests on. Imagine planets and solar objects as little pebbles dropped on the velvet. The slope the pebbles create brings objects toward each other. This is known to us as "gravity". The same concept applies on smaller scales as well, such as Earth. Black holes are so heavy that they supposedly tear through the space time blanket, or if not that they sink into the velvet extremely far.
Also from time dilation, we're able to deduce that time doesn't exist. I know this has something to do with your position in the universe, your mass, and your speed. I wish I could elaborate more on this. Hopefully osmeone else can.
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Re: do you think that anti-gravity propulsion is possible? [Re: blaze2]
#1643195 - 06/18/03 11:26 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have been interested in anti-gravity for a couple of years now. I've done tons of research and reading about the subject and I am convinced it should be possible. I have even come up with a few ideas but lack the funds to test them. Hopefully one day. However why is this in S&P? 
I used to have hundreds of links to really good but hard to find site about anti gravity, free energy and the like, but my computer crashed.  But here are a few links for those interested in further reading.
http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/antigrav.html
http://members.aol.com/JNaudin509/ Very interesting site with videos!
http://www.cheniere.org/toc.html
http://www.vasantcorporation.com/
http://www.americanantigravity.com/
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Re: do you think that anti-gravity propulsion is possible? [Re: HagbardCeline]
#1643261 - 06/18/03 11:52 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've done tons of research ...
How does one research a non-existent technology? By watching Star Trek?
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Re: do you think that anti-gravity propulsion is possible? [Re: Swami]
#1643390 - 06/19/03 12:33 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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By reading. There have have been many claims of devices that claim anti-gravity. Hence, many things to research. If you go to http://members.aol.com/JNaudin509/ , you can see video demonstrations of "lifter's", although the jury is still out as to whether or not this is actually anti-gravity. Besides, ships in Star Trek employed warp theory, not anti-gravity. Which is still a real theory. Basically a large electromagnetic wave is constructed and used to push your ship like a surf board.
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Re: do you think that anti-gravity propulsion is possible? [Re: Swami]
#1643453 - 06/19/03 12:52 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Swami said:
I've done tons of research ...
How does one research a non-existent technology? By watching Star Trek?
How do inferiority complexes make themselves manifest? By asking demeaning questions?
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Re: do you think that anti-gravity propulsion is possible? [Re: Malachi]
#1643532 - 06/19/03 01:29 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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IOW there is no way to research this topic. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Re: do you think that anti-gravity propulsion is possible? [Re: Swami]
#1643544 - 06/19/03 01:43 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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now I know that there is no way you can be friendly. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Re: do you think that anti-gravity propulsion is possible? [Re: Malachi]
#1643549 - 06/19/03 01:46 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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So then, nothing can be learned by watching Star Trek (fiction), but only by reading fictional websites?
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Re: do you think that anti-gravity propulsion is possible? [Re: HagbardCeline]
#1643571 - 06/19/03 02:04 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you go to http://members.aol.com/JNaudin509/ , you can see video demonstrations of "lifter's", although the jury is still out as to whether or not this is actually anti-gravity.
What's on that site -- with the lifter -- has absolutely nothing to do with antigravity and everything to do with electrostatics. Calling that antigrav is like me lifting up a pen and going, "Look! Antigravity!"
Anyway. I think that antigravity may be possible, but I've been rather skeptical of any claims. Show me a working anti grav machine and I'll believe it, so long as it's reproduceable.
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Re: do you think that anti-gravity propulsion is possible? [Re: Sev]
#1643657 - 06/19/03 03:18 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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all matter has gravitational force, but antimatter....hmmm.
and as for stability, perhaps its time for outer ring gyroscopy.
but then, oh snap, what about ring dynamics, coliding nutrinos, matter-antimatter flux on the outer ring of the craft, theres your antimatter for the anti gravity, your circomfrencial rotation for gyroscopic stability, wow, the saucer shape may be a great idea after all. plus this would generate alot of nuclear energy.
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Re: do you think that anti-gravity propulsion is possible? [Re: Swami]
#1644328 - 06/19/03 10:16 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Modern physics is so weird so it has become impossible for the average financial investor to know what is good science and what is not. This has opened up new possibilities for both sincere crackpots and less sincere ones to teleport money from investors to their own pockets.
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Re: do you think that anti-gravity propulsion is possible? [Re: Swami]
#1644349 - 06/19/03 10:22 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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IOW there is no way to research this topic.
Main Entry: [1]re?search
Pronunciation: ri-'s&rch, 'rE-"
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French recerche, from recerchier to investigate thoroughly, from Old French, from re- + cerchier to search ?more at SEARCH
Date: 1577
1 : careful or diligent search
2 : studious inquiry or examination; especially : investigation or experimentation aimed at the discovery and interpretation of facts, revision of accepted theories or laws in the light of new facts, or practical application of such new or revised theories or laws
3 : the collecting of information about a particular subject
Swami, you are wrong. By research that is what I meant, I merely collected information. Why you are attacking me for saying that is beyond me. Just because they haven't been proven in no way makes them fictional. Now some of them certainly are, but I think others truly believe they have achieved it. One of the videos I lost was a guy that had constructed a box with one open end and when he placed objects inside of it, they would suddenly shoot to the top. It was a very convincing video, but of course something happened to his equipment and he has been unable to reproduce his results. But if gravity exists, and it employs some sort of particle or energy, there is no reason I see that would prevent a technology from reproducing the same effect in reverse.
Sev-- I was using the term too loosely. When I speak of anti-gravity, I mean something that is able to propel itself or another object without conventional technology. But can you tell me how gravity works? Lifter's do most likely employ electrostatics for propulsion, but we still don't know what gravity is, so to say this has no relation with it, is premature to me.
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Re: do you think that anti-gravity propulsion is possible? [Re: HagbardCeline]
#1644387 - 06/19/03 10:36 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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