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technical afterlife
    #3944404 - 03/20/05 04:21 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

A few years ago I've read a book which is supose to be the longest and most detailed report of clinical death experience in history of research of such phenomenon.
I forgot the title and the author (someone can help me with that perhapse?) It was written by some woman with native-american roots

Anyway, the story is pretty much tipical, but there were some strange details that I find unusual..

One thing has specially captured my attention.
On the "other side", she stated that she was shown a lot of things, from structures to gardens etc. yet in one of the rooms that she was in, she saw some people working on some kind of machine, I think maintaining it or repairing it. She was not toled what that was..

The explanation that such experiences are illusions does not raise any more questions regarding the visions experienced, because they are a product of ones mind.

But in this thread, I'll concentrate on the other explanation,
the one saying that these experiences are indeed experiences of life after death. Such an explanation rises some questions..

Why do spirits use technology? It is one thing that they can visualise anything, but it was reported that those people were working on this machine or repairing it or something.

Is this afterlife the ultimate place where your soul can go, or is it much like our own reality in some other "dimension"

In the limits of this second explanation, what do you think such experiences of technology and structure imply about the nature of this other reality?


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Re: technical afterlife [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #3944474 - 03/20/05 04:33 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

""Is this afterlife the ultimate place where your soul can go, or is it much like our own reality in some other "dimension""


Yes.

where your soul is, in spirit.. :smile:


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Re: technical afterlife [Re: Gomp]
    #3944605 - 03/20/05 04:58 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Now, Oldwoodspectre, go read "the spirit molecule" which is scientific proof IMO of what you have just put forth. Written by Dr. Rick Strassman, it was the first real conclusive study done with IV DMT on 60 patients. The patients experienced conversations with alien being which (in every reported case) looked like robotic/amphibious creatures and usually were doing experiments on them. Everyone had thought they had died once they got to this point and there are a good amount of personal accounts which talk about (in detail) the architecture and seemingly futuristic environments: furniture built into the walls and very elaborate gardens.
I want the name of the book you are talking about though so i can cross reference it for myself.


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Re: technical afterlife [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #3944694 - 03/20/05 05:11 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

That goes under the first explanation I think, we are talking about the second one


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Re: technical afterlife [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #3944851 - 03/20/05 05:40 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Everyone had thought they had died once they got to this point...

Thinking is a brain activity. A dead brain cannot think nor draw false conclusions, nor does disrupting the delicate neuro-chemical balance tell us anything whatsoever about a post-death experience.


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Re: technical afterlife [Re: Swami]
    #3944922 - 03/20/05 05:54 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Hey swami, that's not your line  :tongue2:


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Re: technical afterlife [Re: Swami]
    #3945892 - 03/20/05 09:13 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Swami said:
Everyone had thought they had died once they got to this point...

Thinking is a brain activity. A dead brain cannot think nor draw false conclusions, nor does disrupting the delicate neuro-chemical balance tell us anything whatsoever about a post-death experience.




ummm....how would you know? have you been physically dead...and thought?. Sure a dead brain probably cannot produce thought, but who said we are merely a brain?


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Re: technical afterlife [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #3946042 - 03/20/05 09:41 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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psilocyberin said:
Quote:

Swami said:
Everyone had thought they had died once they got to this point...

Thinking is a brain activity. A dead brain cannot think nor draw false conclusions, nor does disrupting the delicate neuro-chemical balance tell us anything whatsoever about a post-death experience.




ummm....how would you know? have you been physically dead...and thought?. Sure a dead brain probably cannot produce thought, but who said we are merely a brain?




I don't get it, in your post about DMT, were you suggesting that that is an argument against existence of afterlife or something else?


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Re: technical afterlife [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #3946863 - 03/21/05 12:41 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

im going to have to come back to this question tomorrow. I think i am either too high right now, because the "that that" is throwing me off i think. Im sorry, i dont completely get the question...
Ill come back to it in 8 sobering hours or so.


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