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The post argues against government programs like WIC and the butterfly study, claiming they waste taxpayer money. The author asserts that any surplus money should be returned to citizens, comparing it to having extra income after paying bills. They criticize the GOP for increasing debt through spending rather than reducing it. The post also defends the idea that taxes are theft and that private innovation is better than government programs. The author questions why the country should benefit from a surplus that isn't theirs and argues that paying down debt is more beneficial than giving tax cuts.
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The surplus is ours and we deserve our money back. we earned it. I say instead of worrying about the surplus we focus on the federal programs that give money away. Eliminate the welfare programs, WIC, and other federal dependant programs. I once heard that there was a 250,000 dollar federally funded program to study the mating habits of the butterfly. Get rid of these dependant programs and we will never run in the red.
Innvertigo, maybe you did't know it, but 60 - 70 years ago before America began spraying for mosquitos butterflies were common. They were as common as bees and much more common than moths. Spraying for mosquitos had the side effect of killing the vast majority of the beautiful butterflys. Now this is a bit off topic, but I think that one of the reasons we're here on earth is to be a good steward to nature, and we haven't been a good steward to the butterflies. If the federal government can spend a few millio dollars to repopulate the butterflies they definatly should. There's been 3 generations now that have grown up without seeing all the beautiful butterflies that once fluttered around so prettily. If we can give the blessing of butterflies to our posterity then lets do it!
And as far as our gov determining who's studies are 'stupid' being undemocratic you bet it is. So what?
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****But, this tax cut gives people a little extra cash, and it costs the country tens of billions of dollars****
Basic economics tells you if you have a surplus of money it doesn't cost you anything if you spend that money. In a perfect economic scenerio the government would have ZERO dollars at the end of the fiscal year after all the bills are paid. I'll Put it to ya this way: If you make $4000 dollars a month and your bills are $3000 what do you do with that money? you can save it because it's your money or you can spend it on anything you want and you will not be in debt. But what if the government charges you $4000 but you really only owe $3000? Do you think you deserve your money back?
Hmm, Basic economics tells you if you have a surplus of money it doesn't cost you anything if you spend that money.
It doesn't cot you money to spend money. Now that's a flat out lie. Spending money is spending money and it cost's whoever spends it money. I think that's the most ludicrous thing I've heard you say yet.
I'll Put it to ya this way: If you make $4000 dollars a month and your bills are $3000 what do you do with that money? you can save it because it's your money or you can spend it on anything you want and you will not be in debt. But what if the government charges you $4000 but you really only owe $3000? Do you think you deserve your money back?
I think this is really the point, we are in debt by trillions of dollars and the GOP prefers to go further in debt by cutting revinue and drastically increasing federal spending so that we'll go even more in debt. It's not about giving back what's ours, it's about not paying back what we owe.
That's one of the things that puzzles me about GOP economics. The GOP that is allegedly fiscally conservative is dead set on tremendous liberal spending increases and deficit spending. And the rank and file GOP just go along with the fiscal liberalness.
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****The tax cut was like 1 extra pay check for pretty much every american, it doesn't affect there life at all but can hurt the country quite badly in the long run.****
How will it hurt the country if it is taken from the surplus? Noone has been able to answer that one.....and it was less than a paycheck..but it did become a down payment on my new windows..believe me i needed those &^%$^%# windows..
It hurt the country by reducing the resources available to pay off the debt. By going back to deficit spending interest rates may be forced up and the dollar may weaken against foreign currencies. Deficit spending in peace time with a good economy doesn't make sense.
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****Innvertigo, no, the surplus is not yours. It is your government's****
No it's mine. It's quite simple if you think about it. The government, at least in a representative republic, doesn't have the right to keep what is not theirs....perhaps a socialist one would suit you better? That way the government can take what they want and give you what they think you deserve. In a capatilistic society it doesn't work that way, in fact keeping money which is not your own is anticapitist. If you are anticapatilist then i can see why you would say the money is the governments.
The point is that in that case the national debt is yours too and you prefer to continue paying exorbatant interest on that debt, spending huge sums of money unproductivly, as opposed to paying down the debt. By paying down the debt the money that is used to pay interest becomes available to pay the debt down further and further. By refunding money now costs trillions of dollars in the long run. There would be room for a tax cut or GOP spending increases after the debt was paid down but instead they want to spend for today without regard to the future economic stability of the country, the GOP has become the true big liberal spender.
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****if the country has a "drop in the bucket" leftover, why not invest it into things to improve the country?****
Why?..it's not their money? If i steal a 100 bucks from you and give it to charity, am i justified? The government, except in rare occasions, doesn't improve the country. Private innovations are usually the improvers...name a program that the government has created recently that has improved the country and i can find an example of lost freedom, money or competative rights.
I knew that's what you really believed, that taxation is theft. That tired old libertarian mantra 'taxation is theft'. You know that's a crock of lies. I remember in one of our former debates I even made the point of pointing out that taxes are the price we pay for our civilization and you had the nerve to act like I was rambeling without a point. Some libertarion nut always ends up saying that taxation is theft and I was just trying to make a pre-emptive argument to that. You've shown your true economic beliefs, they're not conservative as you've claimed so often, they're libertarian...
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****Do you really want to starve to death a couple million welfare kids? ****
When did i say this? Your assuming and again you know what they say when you assume
And what do they say about those that don't plan for the future. Cause and effect. If welfare was eliminated the food would be taken from the mouths of a couple million underprivilaged children.
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****That sounds pretty heartless of you.****
I was wondering how long this topic would go before someone would get personal. What's heartless is the present way of doing things, for example: "We care about the homeless so as a gesture of good will we have bought you a shiney new shopping cart because we care." My way of helping that person is to get them a job (you can insert any social problem into this scenerio and it would suffice)
The heartless one's are those that think that these people are unable to work and contribute to society i want them to have the opportunity not the reliance on the government.
Don't give me that. You make more personal attacks than anyone. And what's more you purposfully twist the words of others into sounding like they said somthing they didn't more than anyone. You're not innocent.
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