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Re: GOP economic policy, a ticking timebomb? [Re: Innvertigo]
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"****But, I think I would know a little more about how its like growing up in a poor area then you.****

I rest my case "

So personal experience means nothing to you? If you were talking about how life was growing up in a hick town, I would take your word for it, seeing as how you grew up in a hick town.

"Go to a poor area in Detroit and you will find the "Projects"...then in front of these sit Mercedes, Corvettes, and BMW's...Poverty must be tough "

Drug dealers often live in the projects to.. you see plenty of 10 year old piece of shit cars also, my best friends family had to walk to the super market and carry groceries home on there back cause they had no car.

"not just black people...there are many whites that are lazy as well.....what does color have to do with it? "

I said a large majority of black people live in poor urban areas... and from your logic they would then be lazy because if they really wanted to they could leave. Get my point now?

"If you complain that you're not successful but haven't tried...then yes they are pathetic...nothing says that you have to reach your goal to be successful. The journey is usually very rewarding. "

Lots of people try and fail, your point?

"You've been watching to much cable TV...i forgot you're in poverty...Basic TV. This is a bullshit stat. "

And you're oblivious. I didn't give a "stat", i was saying a poor person generally has to work harder, and many black people are poor.

"Well one of my bosses is black and he must be on the fast track because he's been there about the same amount of time as i do..and yes..we're friends too!! "

Thats great, my boss is a German woman. So, because I have a female boss, thats proof enough that women are equal?

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Re: GOP economic policy, a ticking timebomb? [Re: Innvertigo]
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"I support a persons choice to be in Poverty...just like yourself. "

Yep, Vertigo... people choose eveything that happens to them in life... circumstance has no role in defining anything we do or become..... just like you choose to be a macho, self rightious, dumb ass blowhard.

Although, I actually believe it's because you were molded that way and are just too dumb to see it. But then, I'm a liberal and excuse your ignorance and insensitivity to the fact of your poor environmental upbringing... no doubt a chip off the ol' block.. LOL

Edited by ElPrimo (10/26/01 09:06 AM)

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Re: GOP economic policy, a ticking timebomb? [Re: ElPrimo]
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Hey.. you all remember that sign James Carville had when he was helping elect Clinton in '92?

"It's the Economy, Stupid!"

Well it still is. And all this flag waving ain't gonna mean shit when it comes November and people are out of work.... and afraid of being out of work.

GOPers might have a hard time stealing the next election...

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Re: GOP economic policy, a ticking timebomb? [Re: ElPrimo]
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James Carville is a fucking idiot..nice company


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: GOP economic policy, a ticking timebomb? [Re: Innvertigo]
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A few minor things..

Race means very little in America. Rather than race, the real problem is socio-economic standing. The problem for minorities in America isn't their race, it's their starting economic position.

You all scream the 'starving child' card, but how many stories do you see about women on welfare that barely feed their child and use the money in ridiculous ways. It IS a handout that feeds the lazy, unwilling people of this country. I agree that poor single mothers deserve help, but paying them for having a kid every 3 years is stupid. I saw a report where they intervied this single mother in south Dallas about some new welfare laws that were upping the requirement for welfare ot having a child under 3 years old instead of under 5 years old. You know what this lady said? She said, "Well now I have to have a new kid every 3 years instead of every 5."
That is irresponcible and stupid.

At the least, welfare should require that the mother be working a job atleast 20 hours a week and providing additonal help - in the form of food stamps - for the rest of it. Welfare should not be providing a mother with cable television, a nice TV, and a computer. It should be in the form of food stamps for food, and maybe 'children dollars' for children's clothing and goods.

People who don't attempt to work, don't deserve to be paid. Look at all the of illegal immigrants who line up along roads and work for 3$ an hour and support themselves and their families in Mexico. That's capitalism, and people willing to work coming together.

On the whole worker value-added argument. What kind of skills does it take to work a cash register? You barely have to know math. Any retard off the street can do it, so you offer the job to the person willing to work for the least amount of pay. You get to more difficult jobs, where you require training and such, and you offer more pay. Most hard manual labor jobs that require skill, such as carving and such, are done by machine in today's world. All of the 'training' is educational, so the well-paying jobs are the jobs that fewer people are qualified for. It would be a good thing to have more education, because it would increase competition for these jobs, and the salaries would drop, so overall business costs would drop, and prices would drop as well.

But now, you have a problem. The top earners in America pay 40+% of their income yearly to the Federal government. Middle earners (30-40k) pay more like 10%. This makes the income-to-benefit curve a logarithmic type curve where as income grows, benefit/income decreases. This harms incentives to get to the top, so only the most ambitious and interested work toward the top -- the people who can make the most out of it. This is a problem as we get more people who want to take advantage of the system since there are not alot of 'qualified' people for the position, and additionally, pumps their salaries up in an attempt to attract more people to these positions. On the other end of this, you have welfare where people don't have to do jack but fuck each other and have kids to get paid. The current welfare doesn't ensure that they take care of the kids.

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This is a longass post, and i'm getting tired and can't remember everything I wanted to address. But, here's a summary of what I think.

America's problem is not racial, but socio-economical. We encourage people to be poor with a generous welfare system without having safe-checks to ensure that this money is well-spent. We discourage people from climbing to the very top because that marginal benefit just isn't worth the additonal marginal effort for most people. Our schools are a mess due to many many many reasons, and simply throwing more money at them isn't going to fix it.



Oh, one more rant. The government should NEVER bail companies out. Examples: Chysler, the airlines..
It's just bad for everybody but the airline employees, who are overpaid for their jobs due to the ending of government regulation of prices. Inefficient companies SHOULD fail.

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Re: GOP economic policy, a ticking timebomb? [Re: philtrick]
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You all scream the 'starving child' card, but how many stories do you see about women on welfare that barely feed their child and use the money in ridiculous ways. It IS a handout that feeds the lazy, unwilling people of this country. I agree that poor single mothers deserve help, but paying them for having a kid every 3 years is stupid. I saw a report where they intervied this single mother in south Dallas about some new welfare laws that were upping the requirement for welfare ot having a child under 3 years old instead of under 5 years old. You know what this lady said? She said, "Well now I have to have a new kid every 3 years instead of every 5."
That is irresponcible and stupid.


Do you have any statistics here that show a trend, or are you committing the fallacy of hasty generalization?


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