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InvisibleSwami
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My favorite S&P hypocrisy
    #3752293 - 02/08/05 08:29 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Yin and Yang.

Duality.

Day and night.

Life and death.

Male and female.

Light and dark.

All of these polar "opposites" are necessary for existence, yet the light & fluffy New Agers here are consistently decrying and denying darkness, violence and other forms of "negativity".

Without fear and anger; there is no love.

Without darkness; light has no meaning.

Without destruction; creation cannot be.

There is no joy without sadness.

Gawd, I love denial.

*Swami walks off stage in pink bunny slippers while whistling a happy tune*


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Re: My favorite S&P hypocrisy [Re: Swami]
    #3752303 - 02/08/05 08:31 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

knowledge.


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Re: My favorite S&P hypocrisy [Re: Swami]
    #3752310 - 02/08/05 08:33 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Your right man, people need to accept that we live in a world of Contrast. However we shouldn't force one group of people to live the unenjoyable half. Hunger being my concern, we wouldn't be able to differentiate without its existence, that is undeniable. However I dont feel that certain people must experience this contrast to such extremes, while others enjoy food to no ends. Pointless ranting :P


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Re: My favorite S&P hypocrisy [Re: Gomp]
    #3752312 - 02/08/05 08:33 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

...and ignorance!


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Re: My favorite S&P hypocrisy [Re: Swami]
    #3752319 - 02/08/05 08:34 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

the lack of knowledge.
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same thing.. :P

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Re: My favorite S&P hypocrisy [Re: Shagshow]
    #3752335 - 02/08/05 08:38 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Shagshow said:
Your right man, people need to accept that we live in a world of Contrast. However we shouldn't force one group of people to live the unenjoyable half. Hunger being my concern, we wouldn't be able to differentiate without its existence, that is undeniable. However I dont feel that certain people must experience this contrast to such extremes, while others enjoy food to no ends. Pointless ranting :P




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Re: My favorite S&P hypocrisy [Re: Shagshow]
    #3752337 - 02/08/05 08:39 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Hunger being my concern...

Yes, but look what has happened to America and is literally spreading to other prosperous nations! Obesity and gluttony and diabetes on a scale never before seen. This is what happens when the "negative" of hunger is nearly eliminated.

Balance, my brother. The key is balance.


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Re: My favorite S&P hypocrisy [Re: Swami]
    #3752344 - 02/08/05 08:41 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Hunger being my concern...





balanced balance? :P

eat to live and living to eat? :P


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Re: My favorite S&P hypocrisy [Re: Swami]
    #3752360 - 02/08/05 08:43 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

America and other obese nations are exactly what i'm talking about. I think that third world countries such as somolia ethiopia etc who face starvation are the example of those living the contrast to the now over-indulgent nations. I was saying that we should all endure in the contrast together, we must all be hungry sometimes, yet no one should be full all the time, while another always hungry....Back to the bub..hah


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Re: My favorite S&P hypocrisy [Re: Swami]
    #3752385 - 02/08/05 08:48 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Perhapse people speaking of one are not the same people speaking of other.

I myself am against pain and suffering, but not so much because there is some law that forbids it, but because of emotional practicality (if there is such a word)

I see it like this:
there is a group of 10 people. They all live together and share everything. Then one of them brings violence into the group and kills one of the others, so then someone other kills him out of revenge.
The rest of them experience strong pain because they lost two of their brethren. Then one of them decides his life has no meaning because there is such pain in their group and feels free to kill or steal because nothing matters. Others end up in even greater pain.
One of them kills himelf.

Now this group had a choice:
1.to live in harmony, and sharing that would lead to peace and emotional satisfaction, and give a stable foundation for say...gardening in their back yard

2. To bring death and emotional pain into the group, which is pleasant to no one from the group

Now which one of those options brings a more pleasant atmosphere to live in? I think it's the first one.


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Re: My favorite S&P hypocrisy [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #3752413 - 02/08/05 08:55 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

For the group to live at all requires violence in some form. Trees are chopped down to make houses. Cows are killed for shoes and food and so on.


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Re: My favorite S&P hypocrisy [Re: Swami]
    #3752422 - 02/08/05 08:59 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

But that's not violence between each other.
You have to kill to eat something, even if it's plants.


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Re: My favorite S&P hypocrisy [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #3752429 - 02/08/05 09:01 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Please research the book/movie "Alive" and the Donner Party...


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Re: My favorite S&P hypocrisy [Re: Swami]
    #3752436 - 02/08/05 09:03 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Well if you wan't to make a point, just say it. I can't read a whole book to figure out what do you want to tell me.


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Re: My favorite S&P hypocrisy [Re: Swami]
    #3752782 - 02/08/05 10:26 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, balance is necessary... BUT, I'm sure when the almighty pendulum takes you into the negativite side of the spectrum, you're going to fight it like the rest of us (We animals are programmed that way).

(BTW, I'm not trying to fault your observation; I'm only trying to add balance by contrast)


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Re: My favorite S&P hypocrisy [Re: soulmotion]
    #3752859 - 02/08/05 10:39 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

eh, being bipolar, usually getting the bug bad in winter, I have found it is best to be dormant in these winter months, going with the flow.

Fighting it only makes it tougher. So nah, I respect the duality of nature, not fight it. But MAN was it excellent warm today. 58 and felt like 70!


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Re: My favorite S&P hypocrisy [Re: oceansize]
    #3752869 - 02/08/05 10:41 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Another reading suggestion about human nature and duality- Nietzsche's The Birth of Tragedy


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Re: My favorite S&P hypocrisy [Re: Swami]
    #3752930 - 02/08/05 10:52 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

if it wasnt for a super novae we might not exist at all. but with it we do.

you know just another example of the destruction and creation cycle.


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Re: My favorite S&P hypocrisy [Re: Swami]
    #3752969 - 02/08/05 10:59 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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All of these polar "opposites" are necessary for existence, yet the light & fluffy New Agers here are consistently decrying and denying darkness, violence and other forms of "negativity".




The list you gave require the other to exist.Hate doesnt require love.Even without feeling hate or even the existence of hate you can still feel love.Enlightened individuals and highly spritiual monks feel no hatred or negative feeling when they are high advanced.

Day needs night because its a cycle.Yin and yang are two halves on the same force or cycle.Life requires death to make room for new life.Males need females to reproduce and fulfill the reproductive cycle.But hate doesnt need love to exist.Positivity doesnt rely on negativity.Happiness doesnt rely on sadness.Cycles never really were divided until humans did so to make it easier for themselves.This duality is an illusion.Two havles of the same cycle doesnt equate to two opposites not really.


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Yin and Yang.

Duality.

Day and night.

Life and death.

Male and female.





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Re: My favorite S&P hypocrisy [Re: guri]
    #3752995 - 02/08/05 11:03 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Super nova, floods, earthquakes and meteors aren't my idea of "violence" or a bad thing. They are neutral forces that
can be avoided or be destroyed by them.

When you walk on a bumpy terrain, you don't go around thinking how
bumps are negative just because you'd like a smooth surface to walk on. You just do your best at walking on those bumps.
Same with natural destructions. If you can't escape it and save yourself or do something about it, die with joy and peace because this is the only way it could have ended.

not every distruction is violence, not every destruction is negative, not every killing is violence, and not every death is negative.
What is negative in all of this is the attitude of the people.


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