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Schizophrenia from a spiritual perspective
    #3683257 - 01/26/05 03:35 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Schizophrenia

Channelled by Rae Chapple for Metatron
15th February 2000


Blessed Ones,

the first subject we wish to address is schizophrenia ? the ?mania? which inflicts many of your kind.

These blessed ones who are "afflicted" with the label "schizohprenic" find themselves in a terrible dilemma. Also their family and friends are always wondering when ?it will happen again?. The Blessed One involved - is left to ?hold? the mantle of fear as each episode draws near to them and engulfs them. The whole scenario is one of fear and trepidation ? one of anger and pain because life will never be the same again.

The scenario is repeated ?behind closed doors? for the family is sure they will be judged, which further emphasises the pain. The Blessed One is left to feel/experience the ?unreal? episodes in isolation aware there is something ?wrong? with them ? they are ?sick? ? they are not ?sane? and great shame overcomes them. They are trapped as they map out their existence under the influence of drugs, because without them they are often regarded as ?thugs?, because of their actions.

They are further driven to distraction. Alienated ? these Blessed Ones often resort to extremely destructive tendencies which can also bring about their own demise in suicide.

Applied current understanding of Schizophrenia is not able to ?see? the gift which ?hides? with these Blessed Ones and it is due to - too few understanding that there is not something ?wrong? with these Blessed Ones ? there is something ?right? with them!

When the medical fraternity - and the community at large ? is able to ?see? the remarkable opportunity these blessed ones are presenting to humanity ? the label - ?wrong?,?sick? - no longer need be applied!

This label of ?wrongness? ? thereby implying everyone else is ?right? ? is the first step toward the destructive/aggressive tendencies so many schizophrenics display.

The first step toward really ?getting a handle? on Schizophrenia is to remove the label. No one wants to be regarded as a ?misfit? ? that something is ?wrong? with him or her! Would you?

The next step is to be open to any possibility ? open to another view than that which is currently held by the medical fraternity ? by society.

And it is this ?

These Blessed Ones ? so called schizophrenics ? are actually tapping into other realities, other aspects of themselves. They are tapping into the fear base aspects of themselves because they are in fear ?here? - in their ?original? reality. The schizophrenic has a ?foot on/in either side of the door ? maybe more ? of ?this original? reality and the ?other? reality(s). the door is thereby left ?ajar? ? ?not able to be shut? - for the door is needed to be left open for escape.

Because the door is ?left ajar? there is a ?bleed through? from the other reality which is the reason an episode is triggered so easily.

At times, there is a desire for the door to be firmly "closed", however the Blessed One does not know how to close it. Because the Blessed One is unable to ?take action? to consult their personal feelings and despair ?here? - in ?this reality? - they use their ?natural ability? to open the door to the other reality where they can ?act out ? their feelings. however ? because they are ?trapped? in the physical plane of existence, only their emotional and mental aspects are able to ?pass over? into the other reality. The physical body remains "here" but the emotional and mental aspects on "the other side", dictate the physical body's behaviour and actions ?here/now?.

The ?other side?/parallel of the so-called, schizophrenic, is the one who is known as/called the ?channeller? the ?mystic? who taps into the aspect of wisdom ? of Love. The schizophrenic is a channeller of fear! ? their own ? and very often ? the fear of others around them! The schizophrenic is a very ?sensitive? person to energy ? especially other peoples? ? apart from their own. The schizophrenic ?picks up? on fears around them ? amplifying these fears in their own behaviour ? the reason most often schizophrenics are regarded as paranoid.

Schizophrenics and channellers/mystics are one and the same !!! one claims fear as their base ? the other claims love. one is discerning ? the other is not. They both share the same name ? Human. The only difference, is their emotion/feelings, dictate the outcome of their reality/actions and general acceptance by family, friends - society etc.

Your quantum physicists are now considering other realities do exist ? parallel or superimposed realities. You had better believe it! They do!!! There are vast numbers of realities all ?playing out? their various roles - all in ?tandem?/parallel/superimposed one with the other. An aspect of ?Now Time?! You have heard of ?the level playing field?? - Ah!!! - (pause) - but what level???!!!

Now ? allow us to show you how you may be able to address the issue of schizophrenia with this new awareness. However, there needs to be preparedness on your - and the Blessed One?s - part to make a start toward accepting a totally ?foreign? concept.

Are you ready? (Metatron speaks ?directly? to the person who experiences the schizophrenic episodes)

Blessed One,

Drop the label. stop regarding the situation as wrong. Be strong ? courageous and take the next step.

Give up the fight and label the situation as ?right?. Delight at the opportunity toward a new discovery. Consult the core reason the plight has reared its head. Instead of ?running away?, display courage and Blessed One ask, ?What is the emotion/situation(s) I am feeling the need to escape from?? Be aware it could come from an area you least expect.

Of the voices in the head, Blessed Ones - ask ?Are you of Love and Light or are you of fear? ? Is this my fear I am experiencing, or is it the fear of someone/something else??

Listen Blessed Ones ? Listen. Listen to the answer. These voices are often what you want to run from ? but in actual fact ? what you do is actually run to - you run toward the voices in the head in an attempt to escape them!!! This is when confusion reigns supreme. In your desperate need to escape the original emotion/situation (the core) you ?run? but, you must take them with you because they are a part of you. And so you open the Pandora?s box! The box of fear! You ?step into? the reality you so need to escape from - (pause) - and ?there? - in fear - you are able to ?act out? all the hurt, anger, pain, you so vainly attempt to deny on ?the other side? (current/?here? reality)

Blessed One ? this is why you step into the role of the ?Schizophrenic? ? because you do not really wish to be regarded as ?different? ? as ?wrong? ? as ?insane? - as ?sick? in the current/?here? reality.

All the fears - all the pain ? all the anger are able to be acted out in a reality you wish to keep ?separate? from the other you. ?There? now - in the fearful reality ? you actually give yourself ?permission? to do all you wished you could do, but were unable to do as your ?original? reality!! ? Because, no one would listen to you back there in that reality ? no one understood how you felt ? no one believed you! That other you who is so weak! That other you who can not stand up and speak about how he/she really feels. ?Well ? I?ll show them!? you think/shout aggressively. - And so you do!

You ?escape? to hide ? however, you are hiding in your own anger and despair. In this state you are not aware of yourself - the little child who is able to smile ? the young adult who has the whole of life at his/her feet ? the grown adult with family. You are ?lost?. Each side of you lost to the other. ?Unbalance? ensues and the pendulum swings wildly from side to side ? from one reality to another - in an attempt to lure out each side that now hides from the other!

Family, friends - disassociate in their need to protect themselves - until there is a feeling of being totally isolated ? everyone is isolated ? everyone is hurting.

(The following was said with so much tenderness ? I saw Archangel Michael and Metatron superimposed as one ? with a small child on their lap)

Blessed One ? I am Metatron/Michael and "I" come to you this day to say to you ? you are Loved ? you are Loved ? you are Loved even though you may have experienced otherwise.

Blessed One ? I ? Metatron/Michael come to offer you the hope to see the scope of your blessing.

Blessed One ? I ? Metatron/Michael offer to you the ability to be as Me/We ? as Love.

Come ? sit on my lap as I map out a plan ? you can do it.

Look upon all those mishaps in your life, everything you got into strife about ? root them out ? and see what they offer Thee. See the label of schizophrenia as your saviour ? (pause) - yes your Saviour!

Hear the voices in your head with Love. Listen to them with Love. There is no need to shove them under the carpet ? to escape from them. Hear the voices in your head ? listen ? listen to what they have to say and if they be harmful to you and your peace ? choose another way if you so desire.

Refrain from telling them (voices) to go away for they will only hound you and you will be forever bound in their fear. Draw them near. Be discerning ? be learning ? ask these voices ?What do I need to know ? show me what feelings/situations are at the core of my current situation?? Then acknowledge the feelings ? "own" them. Take responsibility for them. Once they are acknowledged as being just ?the way you felt and what you did at the time? rather than being labelled as ?sick? - ?bad? - ?wrong? - ?different? you are ready for forgiveness. Forgiveness of yourself ? because ? really ? you have been punishing yourself all this time! Then, you are/will be able to forgive the situation and the people involved.

With forgiveness ? there is no need to ?escape? to ?run away? into another reality, for this "here" (?original?) is the one you may prefer/choose to be! One of Loving forgiveness ? one of care and compassion. Also with this new awareness you will finally be able to relinquish your need to be dependent on drugs/medication. (I saw the drugs "masking" - thus suppressing the emotions, which would surface again unless the ?core? emotions/situations were "Loved")

With the latter statement ? Blessed One ? be aware you may have the need to share in such help of medication until you fully ? truthfully ? Love ? totally ? your situation. Until you truthfully consult every aspect of your fearful emotions - be discerning about ?giving up? totally your medication. A person who broke a leg today wouldn?t throw away his/her crutch because of suddenly discovering the reason the leg broke ? would they? The leg needs support and Loving care whilst it heals? - Yes? - So be discerning ? be responsible for your well being. Seek assistance from those who are disposed toward integrating new awarenesses. Take full responsibility for your situation ? there is no room for blame here in this new awareness.

Then ? Blessed One ? when you realise that the ?one? (the fearful/aggressive reality) you and others despised can be Loved ? you will begin to see and hear the voices in the head will take on a different note. The voices will allow you to understand and expand your ability to be the mystic, the oracle (as in eastern societies) ? the channeller ? now in Love. Fear, transmuted into Love.

The other gifts ? Blessed One ? are, you will be able to tell others what is like to be ?on the other side?, for you have experienced it. You will also find it very ?easy? to ?open the door? to the Loving wisdom and vision such as ours. Enjoy ? employ the gifts just given to heal the rifts in your life.

Then ? enjoy all your other ?natural gifts? with which you are endowed. Love - is how all of these gifts are able to be realised. The natural state in which these gifts are able to flourish is in the nurturing Loving aspect of peace and harmony with yourself.

Blessed One ? as the ?Schizophrenic? - turned ?Mystic? - there is a vast wealth of knowledge and talents into which you may ?tap?. Perhaps ?Now? is the time for Our will to be Thine - as you integrate into the new paradigm of awareness. Your preparedness to address every aspect of emotion and action, with Loving responsibility and discernment, will allow you to wear the mantle you so richly deserve.

Observe Love.

Be Love.

Serve Love.


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Re: Schizophrenia from a spriitual perspective [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3683358 - 01/26/05 03:53 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

That was a good read, thanks for sharing.


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Re: Schizophrenia from a spiritual perspective [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3683439 - 01/26/05 04:07 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

The problem with this is that it assumes some things which are likely not true.

It claims that the negative outbursts from schizophrenia are the result of the person being alienated because of their disease. The problem with that is, people start to develop a lot of the symptoms before they show any signs to other people. They may secretly start to believe that friends and family members are conspiring against them, and begin to resent or hate them. Fear and paranoia are traits of the disease that often begin to show themselves before the person has any notion that anyone thinks they are going crazy.


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Re: Schizophrenia from a spiritual perspective [Re: Phluck]
    #3683526 - 01/26/05 04:23 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I'd have to go back and find the context and sentences you took that from. It's my understanding that the beginnings of the feelings of alienation are self induced delusions of the beginning ideas that others are conspiring against them. That brings the outburst that bring about the actual external alienation.

That later one you assumed was the first one they experience.

When they said alienation, you thought they meant that people were alienating themselves from the person first. I read it to mean that when the conspiracy ideas start coming up that the person begins to alienate themselves from others, not the other way around.

Then, they mistake their own alienation as being alienating from others and the outbursts begin to get attention.

Hope that helps to make more sense of it. :heart:


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Re: Schizophrenia from a spiritual perspective [Re: Phluck]
    #3683530 - 01/26/05 04:23 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

It's called the deep deep sea, the deep subconciousness. We are capable of reading things that appear there. You can certainly see that as delusional. But will never have the capability to read the things that i do.

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Re: Schizophrenia from a spiritual perspective [Re: Droz]
    #3683549 - 01/26/05 04:27 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe others can read them, but don't get sucked in by them?

Maybe you're not reading anything from outside, maybe all that you're reading is created by your own mind.

How would you know? Especially if what you experience seems to contradict what everyone else experiences?


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Re: Schizophrenia from a spiritual perspective [Re: Droz]
    #3683559 - 01/26/05 04:29 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Droz, don't be too sure about that. I've read all of your gibberish aka esoteric languange of a higher order you've spoken here over the last 10 months. The stuff that comes out of you from other realms I have read about in other channelings.

Many are accessing the realms you do. The difference is, they access them in love and you go into them while in fear to escape the fear, only the fear comes through with you and you see the conflicting versions of these realms.

I don't know what to say other then, when you can overcome the fears you are running from in this life, your ability to access this realms is a gift and will be bringging you great peace when they are seen and read with and in love. :heart:


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Re: Schizophrenia from a spiritual perspective [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3683561 - 01/26/05 04:30 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

It's my understanding that the beginnings of the feelings of alienation are self induced delusions of the beginning ideas that others are conspiring against them. That brings the outburst that bring about the actual external alienation.

Does that mean that the idea that your friends and family hate you and are trying to conspire against you is a divine insight?


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Re: Schizophrenia from a spiritual perspective [Re: Phluck]
    #3683660 - 01/26/05 04:42 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Channelled by Rae Chapple for Metatron




Who is this Rae Chapple, and why is she channeling Megatron? Wouldn't Optimus Prime be a better choice?

I struggled through my late teens/early twenties with overt symptoms of schizophrenia (delusions, hallucinations) and will probably never be entirely free of the subtler symptoms of disorganized thinking and speech. I'm sorry to report that there's nothing spiritual about it from where I sit; no window on another reality. Not unless that reality is even crappier than this one. When you find yourself out of work and damn near homeless, sitting at a bus stop watching non-existent ants the size of your thumb emerge from the sidewalk, its no epiphany -- just a chemical imbalance that can hold you to a fraction of your potential if untreated. If anything, paranoid delusions dissipated any spiritual reserves I might have had at the time.


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Re: Schizophrenia from a spiritual perspective [Re: Clark]
    #3683681 - 01/26/05 04:47 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Just because i go into battle with these people doesn't mean i don't care for these people. I'm a spiritual warrior.


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Re: Schizophrenia from a spiritual perspective [Re: Phluck]
    #3683700 - 01/26/05 04:53 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

No, it means he is tapping into the lower realms of the astral plane/past energy linearly speaking, where division and fear runs amok and he can't tell the difference between that one and this one. It also means that because he is in the fear vibrations he can't accessing the higher ones where all of the conflicts are healed.

The wars in the lower astral are being fought within himself. His job is to heal them and clear out some of the distorted polution from that realm and the memory banks of the collective un-conscious.

You wouldn't beleive what they sound like. "God loves us better then you, No God loves us better then you, jealousy and competion is as cut throat as it comes and then you have the group carrying on that God is dead and abandoned us fuck god and fuck all of you. Then, ever so faint it finds its way in the voice of reason that says, "If we see the God within all and love and honor each other as equals, none of that matters.

Those are the voices echoing through the corridors of time and droz needs to hear the voice of reason, peace and love and follow it. His heart will hear it. He is dealing with very powerful ancestrial archetypes. You know what I am talking about Droz.

The lyrians with their wars against the sirian/vegans and how they used arian Hitler to kill the jews of vegan heritage. The voices are ancient droz and so are the wars. Don't be a pawn of them, take power and control over them and heal them already with love and understanding of their fears. You can do it, show them the way to peace and love, you came to heal it here and the memory passed on in your genes.

They are time jumping from the past into our now through the astral plane. In our NOW they are already at peace with each other. Put the past to rest already.

They are just archetypes droz, they do NOT exists anymore. Please think on this.


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Re: Schizophrenia from a spiritual perspective [Re: Droz]
    #3683742 - 01/26/05 04:59 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

were all subjective to nature and reality therfore we cant possibly try to understand it..thats why the subcounsious has all the answers, and in the consious state we are observing observation..how can nature observe itself through material(nature)means.. in the end our we creat our observation through our linear thinking brains also made from matter.??i think?? :weirdeyes:


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Re: Schizophrenia from a spiritual perspective [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3683772 - 01/26/05 05:03 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

BTW everyone in this thread,

If you want to get clinical about it, those discussions take place in the mental health forum. This is the spirituality forum where droz choose to have his "outburst" so i am offering a spiritual perspective in here.

Of course, in the mental health form, getting clinical about it is as simple as droz's chemicals have gone awry and he needs to be on meds to bring them under control.

Clark, tell me what is not spiritual if everything come from spirit? If you choose to polarise it into good and bad, right and wrong, what it is and isn't thats your choice. Geez Luiz, i post an article that help bring about some understanding and compassion for others and you want to get critical of that?

Where is the LOVE?

Gomp you were looking for the question of the day, thats the the million dollar question of the day!



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Re: Schizophrenia from a spiritual perspective [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3683825 - 01/26/05 05:12 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Very true, very true. I got the sickness how about you?

Love is for those who cherish the feeling of love. I've got other things to do then spend my time in love. I love Natasha Yi Swan. :::smirk:::


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Re: Schizophrenia from a spiritual perspective [Re: Droz]
    #3683838 - 01/26/05 05:15 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

GettingJiggywitit - Very true again. Try a chemical called ecstasy and end up with tons of shit inside the pill can lead to bad nerve endings. I also took the hit of cocaine to the back of my brain.


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Re: Schizophrenia from a spiritual perspective [Re: Droz]
    #3683845 - 01/26/05 05:16 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Nope droz,

I am safe in this world and any other realm I explore and know peace. Love and mending is my way. The only thing I want to do with my time is be in love and I am.

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Re: Schizophrenia from a spiritual perspective [Re: Droz]
    #3683851 - 01/26/05 05:17 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Gettingjiggywitit - I also fear death. I don't want to die, i want to live forever. I want to understand that i will live forever. That i may one day be reincarnated to see this life again. I know that these thoughts only keep us going. The faith keeps us going. The facts point that there is only one life and we live it strongly.


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Re: Schizophrenia from a spiritual perspective [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3683897 - 01/26/05 05:33 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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gettinjiggywithit said:
Clark, tell me what is not spiritual if everything come from spirit? If you choose to polarise it into good and bad, right and wrong, what it is and isn't thats your choice.




Indeed. I often find it useful to do so.

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Geez Luiz, i post an article that help bring about some understanding and compassion for others and you want to get critical of that? Where is the LOVE?



Um, no. No criticism of yourself was intended. I was relating my own limited experiences and pointing out how I believed them to conflict with the premise of the article. Sorry if I came across as sarcastic or jerk-like.


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Re: Schizophrenia from a spiritual perspective [Re: Clark]
    #3684395 - 01/26/05 07:32 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

i have been diagnosed with mil schizophrenia, my shrink saud it is closer to dislexia than schizophrenia but i fit the profile enough.
that being said i think "mental illness" is in the eye of the beholder.


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