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Is schizophrenia spirtual?
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any ideas?

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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: Schwammel] * 2
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I've got an idea... why don't we start a million frigging threads, each one with a different noun, we can employ the dictionary to assist with that, and then we'll ask in each thread if that noun is spiritual or not.

We'll make millions! :rolleyes:

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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: Schwammel]
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first thing that comes to my mind is "withdrawal"

physical as well as emotional.

A withdrawal from a substance that doesn't exist,

A withdrawal from ones self,

Why would anybody want to negate their existence

to complete your whole?

Why Not!

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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: Schwammel]
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here's a poem a friend of mine wrote...
its the only poem he ever wrote
and you shit asses won't even understand it........

“ WOKE UP, FELL OUT OF DEAD
MADE THE BUS IN FLECONDS FLAT
FOUND MY WAY UPSTAIRS AND HAD A POKE
BUT I JUST HAD A BOOK
HAVING READ THE LOOK
AND THOUGH THE MOLES WERE RATHER SMALL
I HAD TO COUNT THEM ALL
NOW HE KNOWS HOW MANY MOLES IT TAKES TO
FILL THE ALPERT HALL
I LED THE NEWS TODAY OH JOY
AND THOUGH THE VIEWS WAS RATHER MAD
WELL I JUST HAD TO GRAPH
SOMEBODY BROKE AND I WENT INTO A STEAM
BROKE UP, SELL OUT OF BED
I SAW THE ROTGRAPH
I’D OVE TURNED YOU ON
HE DIDN’T NOTICE THAT THE FRIGHTS HAD CHANGED”


T. Leary

Edited by Schwammel (07/10/06 09:49 PM)

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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: Schwammel]
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schizophrenia is a negative label.

so i would say, no, because of that.

and yet, yes, too.


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? *DELETED* [Re: leery11]
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: soulcircus]
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well doesn't having religious ecstasy have to do with your brain producing certain chemicals, too?

doesn't meditation involve your brain shifting brainwave states?

Our world wants to know how things work, but in doing so it depreciates the value of phenomenon. It is true that depression is chemical, that does not mean you go into the microscopic level to fix the cause, when there is a giant elephant looking right at you, trumping its horn saying "I'm the real cause, practical, tangible, just move me out of this persons way and he'll get better...."

it's reall about a normal brain. a mystic will have mystic experiences, but to them it is desirable. a schizophrenic may have the same experiences, but not have the right personality to handle them, they may freak out and not want to have them at all........ whereas a mystic might say "man i'm jealous I wish I could have your experiences."

everything is chemical.


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: soulcircus]
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It can be spiritual because sometimes I recieve the most mind bending thoughts. Then there are like 1000 delusions that one must face.


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Evolution of Time.

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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: soulcircus]
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soulcircus said:
i don't know enough to voice a strong enough opinion on this matter, but i guess alot of people are marked with schizophrenia/psychosis and it being a negative thing when they are experiencing and expansion in reality which could be said to be spiritual.

i thought schizophrenia had something to do with your brain not producing certain chemicals properly though, which would be not so spiritual.

it also depends what you mean by spiritual???


regarding the chemicals

Drugs also change chemical balance in your brain.

Well drugs also cause hallucinations, paranoya and wierd ideas, but they past more quickly and are more easy to control than psychosis, so I'm guessing if you can find a way to control psychosis, it can be as spiritual as drugs. But that opens up another questions: can drug be spiritual?
And a third questions: what does spiritual mean?


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I command your very souls you unbelievers
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: Schwammel]
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i think it is an incredibly intense affliction of the spirit/mind

what? did I miss something?


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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: soulcircus]
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i myself have some strange thought things going on right now.

like i'm sharing minds with someone at times, but i'm not really sure.

time will tell whether it is true or not. i'm actually on the skeptical end becuase i've had it sort of "proven" to me...... in fact i've had a lot of things amply illustrated to me.......

if she can hear me I can't really hear her, but now when I'm around her I always assume she can hear everything I think.....


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: Schwammel]
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I myself have schizophrenia, although it's not fun, or desirable, I think it is spiritual. What happens is the signals in your brain go in the wrong directions so you have thoughts and ideas based on things they usually would not be based on. Now what controls these signals, I don't know, I believe it could be spiritual beings; bad thoughts = controlled by bad entities, good thoughts = controled by good entities.

It's alot like taking acid except without the visuals, well some might have visuals, but in regards to thoughts. So if you think acid or mushrooms are spiritual then you should think schizophrenia is also spiritual to some extent. Because technically were all a bit schizophrenic from what I heard, some just lose control of it. It's something dorment within us that is.


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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: LuNaTiX]
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I think if you have a rock in front of you, the most spiritual thing you can do about it is to be aware that there is a rock in front of you.


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I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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But what if being schizophrenic is the human mind opening up to psychic powers or something of the sort, but just not being able to handle it. I always figured being one with the rock would be the most spiritual thing to be.


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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: LuNaTiX]
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And how does one be one with the rock? What does that even mean?


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I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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schizophrenia is completely spiritual, mental that is, which in turn affects the chemicals in ones brain and makes it appear as if they have a 'disease'


mental 'disorders' are like special agents of the universal consciousness, its strange but true

death is an illusion...


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"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts"-Einstein
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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OldWoodSpecter said:
I think if you have a rock in front of you, the most spiritual thing you can do about it is to be aware that there is a rock in front of you.


Exactly.

In the simplest terms, spirituality equals awareness.

To answer the question, yes, schizophrenia is spirtual. It is not, however, spiritual.

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Peace. :mushroom2:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: fireworks_god]
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schizophrenia is however spiritual, It is not, however, spiritual,

what else "is" what it "isn't" , everything is perception,

if it is spiritual NO NO then its not "spiritual", in what spiritual

sense are you talking about, if one viewing the "spirit world" am I

to think that schizophrenia has a connection to this spirit world, if one believes the nature of the spirit world is directed towards one consciousness, and sense schizophrenia affects ones consciousness, it might have a connection,

but you would have to also think that schizophrenia is precognitive subjective behavior, in a sense a person is in a state of "acting". He is consciously aware of what hes doing to his personality, but his thoughts start to breed its own personality, he starts fantasizing and starts labeling his thoughts under different personality sets, he then is fully self entertained by multiple figments of his imagination, to say its spiritual, yes and no

Edited by capliberty (07/12/06 12:29 AM)

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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
OldWoodSpecter said:
I think if you have a rock in front of you, the most spiritual thing you can do about it is to be aware that there is a rock in front of you.


Exactly.

In the simplest terms, spirituality equals awareness.

To answer the question, yes, schizophrenia is spirtual. It is not, however, spiritual.

:earth: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


yea, the most logical meaning of spirituality is something that helps you live through your life and helps you cope with things and accept them as they are.
Having delusions that government agents are after you, or laying on the floor being one with the lamp doesn't really fit the above description. You are after all a human being, so spirituality is supose to help you deal with that, not escape it


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