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Is schizophrenia spirtual?
#5844300 - 07/10/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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any ideas?
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: Schwammel] 2
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I've got an idea... why don't we start a million frigging threads, each one with a different noun, we can employ the dictionary to assist with that, and then we'll ask in each thread if that noun is spiritual or not.
We'll make millions! 
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: Schwammel]
#5844344 - 07/10/06 09:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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first thing that comes to my mind is "withdrawal"
physical as well as emotional.
A withdrawal from a substance that doesn't exist,
A withdrawal from ones self,
Why would anybody want to negate their existence
to complete your whole?
Why Not!
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: Schwammel]
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here's a poem a friend of mine wrote... its the only poem he ever wrote and you shit asses won't even understand it........
“ WOKE UP, FELL OUT OF DEAD MADE THE BUS IN FLECONDS FLAT FOUND MY WAY UPSTAIRS AND HAD A POKE BUT I JUST HAD A BOOK HAVING READ THE LOOK AND THOUGH THE MOLES WERE RATHER SMALL I HAD TO COUNT THEM ALL NOW HE KNOWS HOW MANY MOLES IT TAKES TO FILL THE ALPERT HALL I LED THE NEWS TODAY OH JOY AND THOUGH THE VIEWS WAS RATHER MAD WELL I JUST HAD TO GRAPH SOMEBODY BROKE AND I WENT INTO A STEAM BROKE UP, SELL OUT OF BED I SAW THE ROTGRAPH I’D OVE TURNED YOU ON HE DIDN’T NOTICE THAT THE FRIGHTS HAD CHANGED”
T. Leary
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: Schwammel]
#5846145 - 07/11/06 08:51 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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schizophrenia is a negative label.
so i would say, no, because of that.
and yet, yes, too.
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: soulcircus]
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well doesn't having religious ecstasy have to do with your brain producing certain chemicals, too?
doesn't meditation involve your brain shifting brainwave states?
Our world wants to know how things work, but in doing so it depreciates the value of phenomenon. It is true that depression is chemical, that does not mean you go into the microscopic level to fix the cause, when there is a giant elephant looking right at you, trumping its horn saying "I'm the real cause, practical, tangible, just move me out of this persons way and he'll get better...."
it's reall about a normal brain. a mystic will have mystic experiences, but to them it is desirable. a schizophrenic may have the same experiences, but not have the right personality to handle them, they may freak out and not want to have them at all........ whereas a mystic might say "man i'm jealous I wish I could have your experiences."
everything is chemical.
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: soulcircus]
#5846665 - 07/11/06 12:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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It can be spiritual because sometimes I recieve the most mind bending thoughts. Then there are like 1000 delusions that one must face.
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: soulcircus]
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soulcircus said: i don't know enough to voice a strong enough opinion on this matter, but i guess alot of people are marked with schizophrenia/psychosis and it being a negative thing when they are experiencing and expansion in reality which could be said to be spiritual.
i thought schizophrenia had something to do with your brain not producing certain chemicals properly though, which would be not so spiritual.
it also depends what you mean by spiritual???
regarding the chemicals
Drugs also change chemical balance in your brain.
Well drugs also cause hallucinations, paranoya and wierd ideas, but they past more quickly and are more easy to control than psychosis, so I'm guessing if you can find a way to control psychosis, it can be as spiritual as drugs. But that opens up another questions: can drug be spiritual? And a third questions: what does spiritual mean?
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: Schwammel]
#5846800 - 07/11/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i think it is an incredibly intense affliction of the spirit/mind
what? did I miss something?
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: soulcircus]
#5847819 - 07/11/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i myself have some strange thought things going on right now.
like i'm sharing minds with someone at times, but i'm not really sure.
time will tell whether it is true or not. i'm actually on the skeptical end becuase i've had it sort of "proven" to me...... in fact i've had a lot of things amply illustrated to me.......
if she can hear me I can't really hear her, but now when I'm around her I always assume she can hear everything I think.....
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: Schwammel]
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I myself have schizophrenia, although it's not fun, or desirable, I think it is spiritual. What happens is the signals in your brain go in the wrong directions so you have thoughts and ideas based on things they usually would not be based on. Now what controls these signals, I don't know, I believe it could be spiritual beings; bad thoughts = controlled by bad entities, good thoughts = controled by good entities.
It's alot like taking acid except without the visuals, well some might have visuals, but in regards to thoughts. So if you think acid or mushrooms are spiritual then you should think schizophrenia is also spiritual to some extent. Because technically were all a bit schizophrenic from what I heard, some just lose control of it. It's something dorment within us that is.
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: LuNaTiX]
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I think if you have a rock in front of you, the most spiritual thing you can do about it is to be aware that there is a rock in front of you.
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But what if being schizophrenic is the human mind opening up to psychic powers or something of the sort, but just not being able to handle it. I always figured being one with the rock would be the most spiritual thing to be.
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: LuNaTiX]
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And how does one be one with the rock? What does that even mean?
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schizophrenia is completely spiritual, mental that is, which in turn affects the chemicals in ones brain and makes it appear as if they have a 'disease'
mental 'disorders' are like special agents of the universal consciousness, its strange but true
death is an illusion...
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OldWoodSpecter said: I think if you have a rock in front of you, the most spiritual thing you can do about it is to be aware that there is a rock in front of you.
Exactly.
In the simplest terms, spirituality equals awareness.
To answer the question, yes, schizophrenia is spirtual. It is not, however, spiritual.
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schizophrenia is however spiritual, It is not, however, spiritual,
what else "is" what it "isn't" , everything is perception,
if it is spiritual NO NO then its not "spiritual", in what spiritual
sense are you talking about, if one viewing the "spirit world" am I
to think that schizophrenia has a connection to this spirit world, if one believes the nature of the spirit world is directed towards one consciousness, and sense schizophrenia affects ones consciousness, it might have a connection,
but you would have to also think that schizophrenia is precognitive subjective behavior, in a sense a person is in a state of "acting". He is consciously aware of what hes doing to his personality, but his thoughts start to breed its own personality, he starts fantasizing and starts labeling his thoughts under different personality sets, he then is fully self entertained by multiple figments of his imagination, to say its spiritual, yes and no
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OldWoodSpecter said: I think if you have a rock in front of you, the most spiritual thing you can do about it is to be aware that there is a rock in front of you.
Exactly.
In the simplest terms, spirituality equals awareness.
To answer the question, yes, schizophrenia is spirtual. It is not, however, spiritual.
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yea, the most logical meaning of spirituality is something that helps you live through your life and helps you cope with things and accept them as they are. Having delusions that government agents are after you, or laying on the floor being one with the lamp doesn't really fit the above description. You are after all a human being, so spirituality is supose to help you deal with that, not escape it
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: soulcircus]
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: ShroomMan420]
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so does spirituality just encompass happy thoughts or is it a mixed bag! I know these godly people that got it all figured out; they go to prayer meeting wednesday night and church sunday/ or saturday night if they are busy sunday. the rest of the week they are dysfunctional. is this considered macro schizophrenia?
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: Schwammel]
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"When a person goes mad, a profound transposition of his place in relation to all domains of being occurs. His center of experience moves from ego to self. Mundane time becomes merely anecdotal, only the eternal matters. The madman is, however, confused. He muddles ego with self, inner with outer, natural and supernatural. Nevertheless, he can often be to us, even through his profound retchedness and disintegration, the hierophant of the sacred. An exile from the scene of being as we know it, he is an alien, a stranger signaling to us from the void in which he is foundering, a void which may be peopled by presences that we do not even dream of. They used to be called demons and spirits, and they used to be known and named."
"Schizophrenia used to be a new name for dementia praecox - a slow, insidious illness that was supposed to overtake young people in particular and to be liable to go on to a terminal dementia....Perhaps we can still retain the now old name, and read into it its etymological meaning: Schiz- 'broken'; Phrenos- 'soul' or 'heart.'....The schizophrenic in this sense is one who is brokenhearted, and even broken hearts have been known to mend, if we have the heart to let them."
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they labelled me "schitzophrenic" cuase they had no other label . i was having psychosis tht was very spiritual. it happened 3 years ago. i saw lots of things i icant explain and no longer an athiest cause i know there is something more to the universe then we are taught and brain washed to see reality as it truely is. during my month long psychosis i became aware of alot of things about reality and how it works.but i had to relearn to trust my senses cuase my senses where playing tricks on me. id say schitzophrenia can be spiritual but its such a dark trip usually for sojme reason that we miss alot.i was seeing god and all that when i lost it 3 years ago i been together for 3 years now and ive had to start over learn how to think and move and live again cause the psychosis whiped my brain and then the psych drugs kinna numbed things..
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: Schwammel]
#5850977 - 07/12/06 02:20 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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A shaman I met told me it is people who see into the spirit world and have no control over it.
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: hippi]
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Well, I wish you a speedy return to consensual reality, and a firm connection to it when you are fully integrated and clear. From a stable condition you will be in the best position both to learn from your experience and to teach others.
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My daughter is sometimes crazy as hell. she hears things and she sees things that don't exist. she doesn't take drugs. I made a BIG mistake by allowing the school system to talk me into putting her on Ritalin. It took years to come off that shit and her weapon was alcohol. She still drinks occasionally but she likes working more than being crazy (money & power.) Not me; I like crazy but not out of control crazy.
Soo my question to you functioning schizo spiritualists is... waht are the tools of your trade? How do you deal with this rocky road?
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: Schwammel]
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My medication, I tried two different kinds of medication, the second one works real well for me, im about 99% back to normal on Zyprexa. On top of this, I always have second thoughts about my thought process, I keep an eye on what im thinking and talk myself down if my thoughts get out of control. Sleep and minimizing stress are also important tools in controling my illness. The most important thing is accepting that you are ill, I mean I don't like being labeled so simply, but I know im sick and need my medication; but to each their own.
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: LuNaTiX]
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It is not spiritual. Im in a grad level abnormal psych class and not only are there chemical problems/differences in the brains of people with schizophrenia, but the brains dont utilize certain areas of the brain properly. Additionally, there are physical differences in the brains of people with this horrible fucking disease.
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: Schwammel]
#5856549 - 07/13/06 11:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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no...
I have schizophrenia, and it is no way spiritual... I believe I induced it upon myself through heroin addiction, and the use of psychedelics...
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: Schwammel]
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We are all spiritual A to Zea. use the spirit< >focus and decied what it could be like to be non-spiritual
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: LuNaTiX]
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Do you have to take medicine for it im on medicine i would like to trip but i don't think i can because im on meds. But i was diganosed with schizophrenia and i still don't belive i have it telll this day i got put on drugs that made me gain a lot of weight and runied my health and mental well being.
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: Schwammel]
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existential angst, cosmic refuge, and transcendent transformative release are part of both spiritual quests and schizophrenic episodes.
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: Buddha5254]
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Buddha5254 said: It is not spiritual. Im in a grad level abnormal psych class and not only are there chemical problems/differences in the brains of people with schizophrenia, but the brains dont utilize certain areas of the brain properly. Additionally, there are physical differences in the brains of people with this horrible fucking disease.
this is not the kind of claim that I have seen supported with experimentation and statistical reporting.
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redgreenvines said: existential angst, cosmic refuge, and transcendent transformative release are part of both spiritual quests and schizophrenic episodes.
It's just one big ol party.
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: Icelander]
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Well sport can be spiritual, a walk can be spiritual, so why couldn't schizophrenia be spiritual?
If you get what I mean.
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: circastes]
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None of that is "spiritual" whatever that means.
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: Icelander]
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I beg to differ I have had a very spiritual walk before.
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: Cactilove]
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First prove the existence of spirit and maybe I'll agree. Or you can define it in a way that does not infer a soul or anything outside of material existence.
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: Icelander]
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an inner spiritual:path enabling a person to discover the essence of his/her being; or the deepest values and meanings by which people live.
proof of a spirit is not required.
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or the deepest values and meanings by which people live.
This one seems reasonable and logical.
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Turns out I'm a very spiritual guy.
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: Icelander]
#16682484 - 08/11/12 02:38 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Icelander said: None of that is "spiritual" whatever that means. 
this is an example of sheer delight and willingness to be disagreeable no matter what the issue might be.
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As you can see later I revised that position and accepted one of the definitions given much to my delight.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: Icelander]
#16682940 - 08/11/12 04:17 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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it's an amazing twist of fate! luck skill
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I think it was the definition.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: Icelander]
#16685522 - 08/12/12 01:03 AM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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"Spritual" isn't about having or not having a spirit, it's about being subject to something having qualities of consciousness/awareness beyond one's immediate apprehension of their own mind. Something like inspiration in sport, or a particularly profound apprehension of the day that suggests there is more than one knows or can know, is spiritual/-ity.
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Re: Is schizophrenia spirtual? [Re: circastes]
#16686171 - 08/12/12 06:22 AM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well everyone gets their own definition don't they. 
Yours is not bad btw.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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