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Schwammel
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are jews spiritual?
#5858892 - 07/14/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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they appear to be bipolar?
what do you think
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Schwammel
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: Schwammel]
#5858964 - 07/14/06 06:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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they seem to be a spirit but they always go back to their true nature.
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EquilibriuM
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: Schwammel]
#5859088 - 07/14/06 06:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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what is their true nature?
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Schwammel
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5859143 - 07/14/06 07:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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""""what is their true nature? """"
psychosis and a hug
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fireworks_god
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: Schwammel]
#5859242 - 07/14/06 07:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Personally, I wish the Jews bomb your home, as you've kidnapped the forum with your bullshit.
No, seriously though, this thread doesn't belong here, so give it a fucking rest.
Peace.
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Schwammel
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luv you too asshole, i'll be gone tomorrow
keep up the good work
ok?
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fireworks_god
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: Schwammel]
#5859353 - 07/14/06 07:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Send my regards to Mr. Gubjet.... Luke... shiftingwalls....
Peace.
-------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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Schwammel
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""", as you've kidnapped the forum with your bullshit."""
live and learn, i'll be back in 6 weeks
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Basilides
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: Schwammel]
#5859514 - 07/14/06 08:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Your philosophical ponderings are highly puerile. This is just one of many
-------------------- "Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."
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fireworks_god
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: Schwammel]
#5859542 - 07/14/06 08:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Schwammel said: live and learn, i'll be back in 6 weeks
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See? I can flood too.
Peace.
-------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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Schwammel
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I don't flood too, I just do it...
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: Schwammel]
#5859640 - 07/14/06 08:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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This Jew is spiritual. Knock off the provocative stupidity.
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Schwammel
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I personally don't like jews, but thats not my problem
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Basilides
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: Schwammel]
#5859749 - 07/14/06 09:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think you do have a problem, you seem preoccupied.
-------------------- "Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."
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Schwammel
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: Basilides]
#5859818 - 07/14/06 09:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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poor blacks know the system, homosexuals tempt it...
jews define it.
Why do you think so many jews died?
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: Schwammel]
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Jews died?
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: Schwammel]
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well they forgot about the majority, they attempted to improve upon something that wasn't ready to be.
now a days they are just as stupid as the rest of the world...
but they still think they're special.
and nobody likes that...
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: Schwammel]
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Jews are what they are, if they weren't their to take that special role then some other sect would.
I don't like anybody who's greedy or selfish, but to get on some Jew gripe isn't much better either, to sit there and have a rebellion against basically a culture thats been integrated from the past, is pointless,
Its not just the Jews that hog up all the financial or political power, its basically anyone who is rich that plays along with the game, which is alot more then Jews
Besides if they can pull it off, then you got to give them the credit, because their always going to be a population of thoughs who are "in the money", and really they have no real excuse to fail, and they should be alot more compassionate and generous because of their position, for greater equality right, well until monetary concepts are eliminated, doubt thats going to happen
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: Schwammel]
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You don't know any Jews. We're generally too intelligent to waste time with haters and morons.
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Now listen here Jewboy, I'd think it be "intelligent" thing for you
to hush now,
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: Schwammel]
#5860232 - 07/14/06 11:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Don't let the intolerance bug bite you man.
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: Schwammel]
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Schwammel said: luv you too asshole
buh-bye.
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: Redstorm]
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
#5861275 - 07/15/06 09:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Who are you calling boy, jit? Everyone knows that haters are spiritual-moral retards except for haters, because in addition, they're just plain stupid. (BTW, fix your grammar and punctuation along with your values - they're all wrong).
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: Schwammel]
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Schwammel said: well they forgot about the majority, they attempted to improve upon something that wasn't ready to be.
now a days they are just as stupid as the rest of the world...
but they still think they're special.
and nobody likes that...
when you think you are disenfranchised you lash out at apparent perpetrators.
this is a complex problem. begin by losing racist dogma. it enslaves you like a suicide bomber is enslaved by those who want results without having to pay personally. you and i - we are still freinds i am a jew. big deal
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Wow. Wow! Worst thread ever!
My muse is jewish, and I take offense to this on her behalf.
"Now listen here Jewboy, I'd think it be "intelligent" thing for you to hush now," --Capliberty
I'm fairly sure PA&L is more the place for bigotry of that nature...
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: Panoramix]
#5861884 - 07/15/06 01:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I kind of like this thread, it sparks emotion.
Some Jews are cool, some Jews suck. Just like any other group of people... Oh yeah, and some are funny as hell.
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: EquilibriuM]
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My values are fine, I try sticking up for "Jews" and obviously I've ran into one that exemplifies the negative rap that I try to dispel, obviously they think they are alot more moral and intelligent than they seem to appear,
I still don't have a gripe with Jews, its not my rebellion, probably someone come along like uncle Adolf to put em back in place,
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: Schwammel]
#5862348 - 07/15/06 05:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Interesting that the mentally unstable people who post meaningless gibberish always seem to display some sort of bigotry. I wonder where the tolerant schizophrenics are.
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: Silversoul]
#5862367 - 07/15/06 05:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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keep pushin the mop boy
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: Silversoul]
#5862371 - 07/15/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Interesting article on racism as a mental illness:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/09/AR2005120901938_pf.html
I think that it is possible for racism, sexism, ageism and other forms of bigotry and discrimination to stem from phobias, OCD, schizophrenia, narcissism, etc...but it seems an exaggeration to label them as "free-standing" mental illnesses.
It does seem that misogyny and bigotry often accompany other signs of mental illness, though.
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
#5862394 - 07/15/06 05:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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What crawled up your ass?
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: dblaney]
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Its interesting to see that the unstable are obsessed with schizophrenia, If you knew a true schizophrenic like I did, you would dam well know what a schizo is,
Even though most people are ignorant round here, I can tell none of them are schizo,
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
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Its interesting to see that the unstable are obsessed with schizophrenia
I think it's interesting that the word 'schizophrenia' has been used only twice in this thread, and both times seemed to be rather casual, yet you consider this to mean that unstable people (not sure where you got this conclusion from either) are OBSESSED with schizophrenia.
If you knew a true schizophrenic like I did, you would dam well know what a schizo is
I used to work in a schizophrenia research lab, so yes, I do 'dam well know what a schizo is'. This thread has mostly been about tolerance. You've decided to post all about how people don't know about schizophrenia. May I ask why?
Even though most people are ignorant round here
Ignorant of what?
I can tell none of them are schizo
There most definitely have been some schizophrenic posters around, and for that matter, I'm sure there still are.
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: dblaney]
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Its interesting to see that the unstable are obsessed with schizophrenia
I think it's interesting that the word 'schizophrenia' has been used only twice in this thread, and both times seemed to be rather casual, yet you consider this to mean that unstable people (not sure where you got this conclusion from either) are OBSESSED with schizophrenia.
If you knew a true schizophrenic like I did, you would dam well know what a schizo is
I used to work in a schizophrenia research lab, so yes, I do 'dam well know what a schizo is'. This thread has mostly been about tolerance. You've decided to post all about how people don't know about schizophrenia. May I ask why?
Even though most people are ignorant round here
Ignorant of what?
I can tell none of them are schizo
There most definitely have been some schizophrenic posters around, and for that matter, I'm sure there still are.
I was referring to a certain poster when I said he was obsessed with schizophrenia, because he keeps mentioning it in alot of his posts, its seems to be a common theme with him, it also seems as if this poster has a constant paranoia about other people being schizo,
You've decided to post all about how people don't know about schizophrenia. May I ask why?
I think people have misconstrued conceptions of what schizophrenia is, to me its a real illness, but its also a self induced illness, meaning the persons contributing to his own illness including thoughs around him, Its usually a matter of what a person wants to believe in what he is, that determines the classification of schizophrenia,
People can come up with all these so called classifications and label them illnesses, but really are only taking further out of its context, meaning if you want to dispel the myth then promote nonbelief, there is no clear cut who is and who isn't schizophrenic, unless that person accepts the belief, and all those support the notion should be ashamed,
for all this garbage is going to lead to another generation of self loathing pill poppers,
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
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but its also a self induced illness
I must respectfully disagree. Certainly in some cases people can induce certain symptoms common to schizophrenia, but with true schizophrenia, there are certain neurological differences, such as the expression of certain genes, the production of proteins and amino acids, and certain metabolic differences as well, all producing a variety of effects known as schizophrenia. I don't doubt the power of the human brain, but I would be very surprised to learn of someone capable of inducing such changes simply by willing it.
Various medical associations have come up with fairly clear diagnostic tests for schizophrenia, and I would generally go by those standards. Schizophrenia is nothing to be ashamed about. There are various theories around as to why it exists and what it is, including Grof's theory of it being a spiritual emergency (he has book by that name too). There have been some brilliant and extremely creative people who have had schizophrenia (see here http://www.schizophrenia.com/famous.htm).
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: dblaney]
#5862830 - 07/15/06 07:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Everyone in our society is playing to win in our social game. Just because you suck at it doesnt mean you should blame a race of people who have more success than you. pathetic...
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Are you speaking to me?
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: dblaney]
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I don't doubt the power of the human brain, but I would be very surprised to learn of someone capable of inducing such changes simply by willing it.
You just doubted buddy because it happens alot, I agree it tends to become symptomatic towards a certain genetic disposition, in fact how your disposition is common towards schizophrenic, being dogmatic and extremely logical
I don't know how all cases occur but I know alot of cases has to do with drugs, and the genetic disposition as mentioned, and their own self induced pity trip, meaning these personalities are a figment of their own imagination, I mean think about it, you think this happens on its own, its also a self conjured creation, don't fool yourself,
alot crazies like the idea of being crazy you see, they like getting handouts from social security, and not only that, the real kicker is this, other people like the idea of these people being crazy, it gives them place that they can comfortably dispose of unwanted people, such as a troubled daughters, or sons, or old uncles, nephews, they need "help", right, cause their mentally disturbed and can't support themselves, so not only is the practitioner handing out these quack pills getting paid, but also the patient and the patients dependents, but the only thing is he or she still got to pretend to be crazy, or continue on with the crazy state their at, in stead of getting real help
and who I'm referring as who should be "ashamed", is not the schizophrenic but all the people suggesting and enforcing the notion that certain individuals are "classified" schizophrenic, and being ignorant to the true cause of why people struggle in life, I don't need people advertising or suggesting how crazy I am, because some will believe it and take it too literally, thinking this person is really helping him, when in actuality this person is exhibiting some of his own schizophrenic paranoia,
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
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Just because you suck at it doesnt mean you should blame a race of people who have more success than you. pathetic...
judism isn't a race num skull
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
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it happens alot,
I think you may be overestimating the proportion of people who become schizo. because of societal pressure. I'm sure there are some who manage to convince themselves that they are crazy and then have this belief reinforced from outside, but I think most people who are diagnosed as schizophrenic, actually do fall in the realm of schizophrenia (just as we fall in the realm of so-called sanity).
in fact how your disposition is common towards schizophrenic, being dogmatic and extremely logical
Logic is a slippery slope to schizophrenia eh? I don't consider myself dogmatic, but if you would like to show me how I am, I'm open to the possibility.
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
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capliberty said: Just because you suck at it doesnt mean you should blame a race of people who have more success than you. pathetic...
judism isn't a race num skull
It can be argued and sometimes is.
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
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capliberty said: Just because you suck at it doesnt mean you should blame a race of people who have more success than you. pathetic...
judism isn't a race num skull
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race n. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution
Judaism is indeed a race (the Jewish race), as is Christianity (the Christian race), etc. etc. It's this kind of division that sparks so much intolerance and bigotry and racism in the world.
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: dblaney]
#5862931 - 07/15/06 08:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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well under that definition then I guess it is a race,
but when someone asks me what my race is, I don't say Christian, I say a mix of asian and white,
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
#5862951 - 07/15/06 08:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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In the 1980s, the United States Supreme Court ruled that Jews are a race
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
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Yeah I think it's more common to use it to refer to nationality or physical characteristics.
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
#5862976 - 07/15/06 08:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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which I also have noticed with the cross definition of words, being referred to a bigot when referring to an opinion towards a certain "faith". I always referred bigotry as linked with racism.
If I said you were a racist, by definition I could be referring to your prejudiced opinion towards a religion
But more times than not, from my POV, I see this term used as labeling somebody who's discriminatory to a certain, now I can't think of a word that replaces "race", ..................for.......genetic creed I guess, whatever the true categorized label to distinguish black, whites and any other races, oops used that word again, I could referred that into the context of religion,
see what I'm saying, if race isn't what it is, then what is the accurate term to distinguish our genetic creed as a group without any crossreferencing taking place,
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
#5862983 - 07/15/06 08:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Conventionally race is the only such word I've heard used. Though I think having such discriminatory words in our language has turned out to be too much to handle for most people.
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: dblaney]
#5862988 - 07/15/06 08:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Jewish people often have success in our society because of the values that are passed down in jewish families. Including going to college and working hard. Not sitting on a computer and whining because of how their lives suck. The Jewish people have had it the hardest throughout history, and yet the still surpass most in wealth and intelligence. Not because of the way their brains are wired or any other physical superiority, but because they know how to raise children. just my opinion.
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As a Jew by birth, I must say I find what you wrote flattering
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: dblaney]
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Thats why they got go bomb innocent children to protect their so called country, I doubt spreading the hatred and violence in preserving their military state is going to solve anything,
or is it they got America by the nut sack, and exploiting there influence to the detriment of all the other Americans to drag us into their meaningless conflict,
if we didn't help them, then the Palestinian would go ahead claim whats rightfully theirs
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hot48yearolds said: The Jewish people have had it the hardest throughout history
Harder then blacks? or indigenous tribal people? I find it very hard to believe that Jews have the most damaged tonal of the times.
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
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if we didn't help them, then the Palestinian would go ahead claim whats rightfully theirs
What I want to know is why they can't just share the land. It's obviously land that's very revered in various cultures. Why does one culture have to have a monopoly on it? Fuck the greediness of Israel and Palestine. It's one land, we're one human race, why can't we share!?
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5863138 - 07/15/06 09:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think just about all cultures across the world have been oppressed at some time or another. It's a futile ego game to see who has been the most oppressed. I say try to see to it that there is no more oppression ever again and that we mature enough to be able to live together as one.
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5863139 - 07/15/06 09:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You are familiar with the Holocaust?
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/h-statistics.htm
6 million Jewish people murdered because of their race.
They were also enslaved by the Egyptians AND the Romans, and have faced religious persecution throughout history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_history
Certainly Africans and some indigenous tribal peoples have been subject to genocide, persecution, expulsion from their land, etc... but IMO it does not compare to the treatment Jews have faced for thousands of years.
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: dblaney]
#5863142 - 07/15/06 09:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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dblaney said: I think just about all cultures across the world have been oppressed at some time or another. It's a futile ego game to see who has been the most oppressed. I say try to see to it that there is no more oppression ever again and that we mature enough to be able to live together as one.
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: Veritas]
#5863163 - 07/15/06 09:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Veritas said: You are familiar with the Holocaust?
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/h-statistics.htm
6 million Jewish people murdered because of their race.
They were also enslaved by the Egyptians AND the Romans, and have faced religious persecution throughout history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_history
Certainly Africans and some indigenous tribal peoples have been subject to genocide, persecution, expulsion from their land, etc... but IMO it does not compare to the treatment Jews have faced for thousands of years.
The proportion of Gypsies killed during the Holocaust parallels with the proportion of Jews killed during the Holocaust being for both races about 75%.
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5863199 - 07/15/06 09:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes, about 500,000 Gypsies were killed during the holcaust. They also faced persecution and discrimination based upon their racial heritage, as have many "minority" groups throughout history.
I agree with dblaney, the important point here is that genocide and oppression are based in ignorance and hatred, and it is our responsibility to move on and DO BETTER!
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: Veritas]
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: dblaney]
#5863214 - 07/15/06 09:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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dblaney said: if we didn't help them, then the Palestinian would go ahead claim whats rightfully theirs
What I want to know is why they can't just share the land. It's obviously land that's very revered in various cultures. Why does one culture have to have a monopoly on it? Fuck the greediness of Israel and Palestine. It's one land, we're one human race, why can't we share!?
This is all true, but its harder said than done when its your land thats been taken away, just imagine someone comming to your house, they told you that their ancestors owned that piece of property that your house is standing on, and then they force you off, making you virtually homeless, are you going be understanding to thoughs that are not understanding themselves, of course your going to engage,.....and combat the oppressor
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
#5863255 - 07/15/06 10:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm bored, no one to argue with.
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
#5863367 - 07/15/06 10:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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"why can't we share!?" --dBlaney
"just imagine someone comming to your house, they told you that their ancestors owned that piece of property that your house is standing on, and then they force you off, making you virtually homeless" -- Capliberty
That doesn't sound much like anyone was doing any sharing in your example, there, man. The idea I think wasn't that either of the peoples who contest ownership of what is currently Israel and the Occupied Territories should have sole ownership of that land, but rather that they might find a way to co-exist peacefully. A bit unrealistic? Utopian idealism, even? Let's hope not...
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: Panoramix]
#5863381 - 07/15/06 10:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Maybe we should get back to the topic then... YES, many jews are spiritual. Id say more so than most christians.
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Do you think Einstein was spiritual?
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5863443 - 07/15/06 10:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Maybe we should get back to the topic then... YES, many jews are spiritual. Id say more so than most christians.
and so are thoughs who swallow bananas whole, very very spiritual indeed
Do you think Einstein was spiritual? Yes and NO, he was also driven
to his delusional narrow mind prospective in satisfying ones ego with intellectual marvels,
but he was spiritual in the sense that intellectually he figured that god make sense, that all his discoveries supported the notion of a higher conscious or force,
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5863524 - 07/15/06 11:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, I think Einstein was a spiritual bloke, but hey, I didn't really know him all that well. Or at all, I should say. One of the better-known Einstein quotes, paraphrased; "You can either live your life as though everything is a miracle or as though nothing is a miracle" I would say reflects a deeply spiritual mindset.
The reason I said this thread was of little value earlier was because the topic it raised initially was terribly flawed. Trying to determine spirituality of enormous groups of people strikes me as an exercise in futility. I'm sure some jewish folks aren't the least bit spiritual-minded, I'm sure plenty of jewish people are. Just like any other large, varied, non-homogenious group you could care to name. 'Are non-spiritual people spiritual?' strikes me as a better question, as it touches on issues of spiritual growth being a non-consensual condition of life. <-THAT could could be debated without having to resort to making broad generalizations about millions of people based of religion, ethnicity or race (however you care to define the word).
"Maybe we should get back to the topic then..." -- hot48yearolds Why on earth would we want to do that? Don't you enjoy a good meandering tangent?
"and so are thoughs who swallow bananas whole, very very spiritual indeed" --Capliberty
Um, I hate to be the one to have to explain this to you, but I don't think that nice young lady is in fact trying to swallow that banana. Y'see, when a woman and a banana are very much in love, they look for ways to express that love, and, well...
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: Panoramix]
#5863856 - 07/16/06 12:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't consider myself dogmatic, but if you would like to show me how I am, I'm open to the possibility.
I don't refer dogmatic in terms of some religous dogma that people believe in, the term dogmatic refers to thoughs of any belief system for that matter, as their attitude is incorporated into that belief system, most dogmatic people are rigid to their precise prospectives, they are orderly and make black and white judgments on issues that in the grey,
an example would be, I looked at a hot girl and she was wearing an old lady knitted sweater, I concluded dogmatically that this was a bad stylish move, no if and buts about it, but isn't style based on personal subjective preference, I guess in a way, but I thought it made her look old and so I preceived her that way LOL.
but see in the example I made a black and white judgement on something that has no clear cut answer, but yet I gave one, and I do say it was the right one IMO
rigid intolerance due to their own beliefs allows them to make snap decisions and definitive judgments on situations
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5864148 - 07/16/06 02:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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EquilibriuM said: Do you think Einstein was spiritual?
very very much so in a very personal way
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hot48yearolds said: Maybe we should get back to the topic then...
There is no relevant topic.
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hot48yearolds said: Maybe we should get back to the topic then...
There is no relevant topic.
Peace.
No your misinformed the relevant topic is praising how intelligent and wise Jews are when compared to morans and haters, and how superior their child raising and being religious they are compared to Christians, all praise be to Jesus who is coming, ........................................... oh wait was that him that already came, and we nailed him to a cross,
Don't give me Jesus was jew, when it was Jews that nailed him to a cross and called him an impostor...all historically proven ...........keep on waiting........for Christ that is,.......you might find him coming back during the Apocalypse,
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
#5864625 - 07/16/06 08:24 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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it becomes obvious when someone is looking for a fight:
any thought, word or object in reach can be a projectile.
& that also is the dharma in this frayed thread.
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
#5864642 - 07/16/06 08:31 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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capliberty said: No your misinformed the relevant topic is praising how intelligent and wise Jews are when compared to morans and haters, and how superior their child raising and being religious they are compared to Christians, all praise be to Jesus who is coming, ........................................... oh wait was that him that already came, and we nailed him to a cross,
Don't give me Jesus was jew, when it was Jews that nailed him to a cross and called him an impostor...all historically proven ...........keep on waiting........for Christ that is,.......you might find him coming back during the Apocalypse,
If that's the topic, it doesn't sound relevant, and if it is, it is still a complete waste of time and energy. The rabid mongrels really have this forum at the throat, thank god I'm not attached in the slightest.
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capliberty said: No your misinformed the relevant topic is praising how intelligent and wise Jews are when compared to morans and haters, and how superior their child raising and being religious they are compared to Christians, all praise be to Jesus who is coming, ........................................... oh wait was that him that already came, and we nailed him to a cross,
Don't give me Jesus was jew, when it was Jews that nailed him to a cross and called him an impostor...all historically proven ...........keep on waiting........for Christ that is,.......you might find him coming back during the Apocalypse,
If that's the topic, it doesn't sound relevant, and if it is, it is still a complete waste of time and energy. The rabid mongrels really have this forum at the throat, thank god I'm not attached in the slightest.
Peace.
Listen, Its not like I believe this dogma whole heartedly, especially when theirs no verifiable evidence to prove any of this, other than acutal occurances that I mentioned, I was just trying to make an argument from within their own context, playing devils advocate if you will, its better to refute their own logic rather than apply my belief system towards theirs, they'll just dismiss that,
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
#5865881 - 07/16/06 03:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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This thread is silly, and yet I feel compelled to keep posting on it...
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: Panoramix]
#5865954 - 07/16/06 03:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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thats your problem, compulsion that is, not the silliness, theirs nothing wrong with silly stuff, but being compelled is not a problem either, only that is to yourself, which this compelling advice just illustraed my point of which I have none, A persons only reason to post is to be silly, is maybe the reason why people dislike ones contribution, but that in itself is another form of silliness, to assume there ever be and has ever been any consensus or united front on a forum defined by debate, some cats really need to wake up
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
#5865993 - 07/16/06 04:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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"thats your problem, compulsion that is... but being compelled is not a problem either."
Touché, salesman. I, too, have an uncle.
My last post was striving to contribute to the silliness of the thread. I think I'm getting where you're coming from here, but there've got to be less inflammatory ways of going about it...
Plus, someone who's been posting here for three years fewer than myself but already has over a hundred more posts than myself might not necessarily be in a position to talk to me about complusions, eh?
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
#5866179 - 07/16/06 05:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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"look I've reduced my inflammatories down to not getting banned on this forum, that is the only rule one must follow"
Well, sure, you've toned down the anti-semitism and whatnot but just because you aren't obligated to be nice or considerate doesn't mean you shouldn't be. It seems to me you're advocating confrontation for it's own sake, and I think more meaningful conversations can be had when you aren't forcing those who take shit too seriously to react defensively. But hey, that's just me.
"I'm not about the get along club that passively don't say crutial words at right moments, in hopes to blend in and avoid conflict in which one would inevidable have to face anyways"
I don't mean to sound like a jerk here, but I've yet to notice you say anything crucially important. Not crucial to me, in any case, but that's just me. Conflict is generally inevitable on a forum where people with different points of view express themselves honestly, I agree. Ideally, this is a place where thesis + antithesis = synthesis. But the tone of that conflict is determined by the way you approach the differences in opinion held by others. If you charge into these situations trying to provoke extreme reactions from those of differing points of view, your own arguments are going to be dismissed irregardfull of whatever merit they may actually have. Call it a 'get along club' if you like, I call it civil discussion. Y'know, the kind that doesn't rely on name-calling and misrepresentation of ideas. I mean, you actually had me believing you honestly held some of the opinions you (not too up on my internet-lingo, so I could be misusing the term) troll with. Why would you feel the need to misrepresent you views so much? Why not settle for honest discussion? It's less dramatic, sure, but more actually gets said.
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