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Invisibledblaney
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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
    #5862907 - 07/15/06 08:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

it happens alot,

I think you may be overestimating the proportion of people who become schizo. because of societal pressure. I'm sure there are some who manage to convince themselves that they are crazy and then have this belief reinforced from outside, but I think most people who are diagnosed as schizophrenic, actually do fall in the realm of schizophrenia (just as we fall in the realm of so-called sanity).

in fact how your disposition is common towards schizophrenic, being dogmatic and extremely logical

Logic is a slippery slope to schizophrenia eh? :crazy:
I don't consider myself dogmatic, but if you would like to show me how I am, I'm open to the possibility.


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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
    #5862917 - 07/15/06 08:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Just because you suck at it doesnt mean you should blame a race of people who have more success than you. pathetic...


judism isn't a race num skull




It can be argued and sometimes is.


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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
    #5862920 - 07/15/06 08:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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capliberty said:

Just because you suck at it doesnt mean you should blame a race of people who have more success than you. pathetic...


judism isn't a race num skull




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race n.
A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution




Judaism is indeed a race (the Jewish race), as is Christianity (the Christian race), etc. etc. It's this kind of division that sparks so much intolerance and bigotry and racism in the world.


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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: dblaney]
    #5862931 - 07/15/06 08:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

well under that definition then I guess it is a race,

but when someone asks me what my race is, I don't say Christian, I say a mix of asian and white,


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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
    #5862951 - 07/15/06 08:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

In the 1980s, the United States Supreme Court ruled that Jews are a race


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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
    #5862954 - 07/15/06 08:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I think it's more common to use it to refer to nationality or physical characteristics.


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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
    #5862976 - 07/15/06 08:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

which I also have noticed with the cross definition of words, being referred to a bigot when referring to an opinion towards a certain "faith". I always referred bigotry as linked with racism.

If I said you were a racist, by definition I could be referring to your prejudiced opinion towards a religion

But more times than not, from my POV, I see this term used as labeling somebody who's discriminatory to a certain, now I can't think of a word that replaces "race", ..................for.......genetic creed I guess, whatever the true categorized label to distinguish black, whites and any other races, oops used that word again, I could referred that into the context of religion,

see what I'm saying, if race isn't what it is, then what is the accurate term to distinguish our genetic creed as a group without any crossreferencing taking place,


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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
    #5862983 - 07/15/06 08:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Conventionally race is the only such word I've heard used. Though I think having such discriminatory words in our language has turned out to be too much to handle for most people.


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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: dblaney]
    #5862988 - 07/15/06 08:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Jewish people often have success in our society because of the values that are passed down in jewish families. Including going to college and working hard. Not sitting on a computer and whining because of how their lives suck. The Jewish people have had it the hardest throughout history, and yet the still surpass most in wealth and intelligence. Not because of the way their brains are wired or any other physical superiority, but because they know how to raise children. just my opinion.


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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: hot48yearolds]
    #5863003 - 07/15/06 08:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

As a Jew by birth, I must say I find what you wrote flattering  :flowers:


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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: dblaney]
    #5863053 - 07/15/06 09:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Thats why they got go bomb innocent children to protect their so called country, I doubt spreading the hatred and violence in preserving their military state is going to solve anything,

or is it they got America by the nut sack, and exploiting there influence to the detriment of all the other Americans to drag us into their meaningless conflict,

if we didn't help them, then the Palestinian would go ahead claim whats rightfully theirs


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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: hot48yearolds]
    #5863055 - 07/15/06 09:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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The Jewish people have had it the hardest throughout history




Harder then blacks? or indigenous tribal people? I find it very hard to believe that Jews have the most damaged tonal of the times.


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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: capliberty]
    #5863129 - 07/15/06 09:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

if we didn't help them, then the Palestinian would go ahead claim whats rightfully theirs

What I want to know is why they can't just share the land. It's obviously land that's very revered in various cultures. Why does one culture have to have a monopoly on it? Fuck the greediness of Israel and Palestine. It's one land, we're one human race, why can't we share!?


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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5863138 - 07/15/06 09:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I think just about all cultures across the world have been oppressed at some time or another. It's a futile ego game to see who has been the most oppressed. I say try to see to it that there is no more oppression ever again and that we mature enough to be able to live together as one.


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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5863139 - 07/15/06 09:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You are familiar with the Holocaust? 

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/h-statistics.htm

6 million Jewish people murdered because of their race.  :sad:

They were also enslaved by the Egyptians AND the Romans, and have faced religious persecution throughout history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_history

Certainly Africans and some indigenous tribal peoples have been subject to genocide, persecution, expulsion from their land, etc...  but IMO it does not compare to the treatment Jews have faced for thousands of years.


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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: dblaney]
    #5863142 - 07/15/06 09:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I think just about all cultures across the world have been oppressed at some time or another. It's a futile ego game to see who has been the most oppressed. I say try to see to it that there is no more oppression ever again and that we mature enough to be able to live together as one.




Exactly.  :mushroom2:


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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: Veritas]
    #5863163 - 07/15/06 09:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Veritas said:
You are familiar with the Holocaust? 

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/h-statistics.htm

6 million Jewish people murdered because of their race.  :sad:

They were also enslaved by the Egyptians AND the Romans, and have faced religious persecution throughout history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_history

Certainly Africans and some indigenous tribal peoples have been subject to genocide, persecution, expulsion from their land, etc...  but IMO it does not compare to the treatment Jews have faced for thousands of years.




The proportion of Gypsies killed during the Holocaust parallels with the proportion of Jews killed during the Holocaust being for both races about 75%.


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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5863199 - 07/15/06 09:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, about 500,000 Gypsies were killed during the holcaust. They also faced persecution and discrimination based upon their racial heritage, as have many "minority" groups throughout history.

I agree with dblaney, the important point here is that genocide and oppression are based in ignorance and hatred, and it is our responsibility to move on and DO BETTER!


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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: Veritas]
    #5863204 - 07/15/06 09:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.geocities.com/~patrin/timeline.htm



Oh yeah, How about this one; HOMOSEXUALS.


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Re: are jews spiritual? [Re: dblaney]
    #5863214 - 07/15/06 09:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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if we didn't help them, then the Palestinian would go ahead claim whats rightfully theirs

What I want to know is why they can't just share the land. It's obviously land that's very revered in various cultures. Why does one culture have to have a monopoly on it? Fuck the greediness of Israel and Palestine. It's one land, we're one human race, why can't we share!?




This is all true, but its harder said than done when its your land thats been taken away, just imagine someone comming to your house, they told you that their ancestors owned that piece of property that your house is standing on, and then they force you off, making you virtually homeless, are you going be understanding to thoughs that are not understanding themselves, of course your going to engage,.....and combat the oppressor


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