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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Drugs are not the be all/end all to spiritual experience [Re: tekramrepus]
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"i've never met an astronaut"

I have.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Drugs are not the be all/end all to spiritual experience [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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"I interpret enlightenment as an unattainable state that we should strive towards but know we will never get there."

Maybe that's why it's unattainable :smile:

There's this whole 'prestige' around enlightenment that is really a shame. Often people expect enlightenment to be something so great that they will never be able to accept another's movement towards it. They say it's 'egotistical' to speak of it, then use the fact that no one speaks of it as proof of it's unattainable nature.

I think it's true that an 'enlightened person' would not go around saying it, nor would they view themselves as such. However, if they did say they were, why is this considered naturally a selfish and egotistical action? Is it really one, or is it the observer who cannot accept another's state of awareness? If it is said for example to show a student that such a state (or rather- gradual transition) indeed is attainable, out of pure selfless nature - how is this bloating?

We set 'enlightenment' up on such a high level that we will deny it's possibility - which in turn creates this illusional impossibility.

I really don't like the term :smile:

I think it would be more beneficial to say that everyone IS ENLIGHTENED, but many are at varying degrees of realizing it. Whether or not one knows the truth does not negate the fact that they remain a valid part of the truth. Spirituality shifts awareness and not position, it shifts the input but the observer is constant.

Now I do not believe that a state exists of 100% enlightenment, short of dissolving into the awareness - becoming the awareness - and losing one's physical incarnation. Such a state is attainable by anyone, yet is hidden by many out of an attachment for desire of survival. This is what my post, 'the door' was about :smile:

However, people can become very aware of this state while still existing physically. These are the people that others would considered "enlightened" ones, but really they are "more enlightened reltaive to one's perception of self enlightenment", or something :smile:.

It's all relative to your own experience, or something.

The hole just keeps going and going and going, yet the conditions for the hole to exist are constant.


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Re: Drugs are not the be all/end all to spiritual experience [Re: deff]
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"Now I do not believe that a state exists of 100% enlightenment, short of dissolving into the awareness - becoming the awareness - and losing one's physical incarnation. Such a state is attainable by anyone"

That is pretty much what I was getting at. One thing I know for sure, though, if someone proclaims it, they ain't got it.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Drugs are not the be all/end all to spiritual experience [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Ok, then I agree.

However the term is so vague, that it could be said that there are varying stages to 'enlightenment', that it is a sort of process of awareness. If this is the accepted definition, then everyone is enlightened, just to subjectively varying degrees :laugh:


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