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Re: Jehovah's witnesses [Re: CER]
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edited.

Even the roman catholic church is admitting to a lot of it now, like how they trashed mary magdelines reputation and called her a crazy whore who found salvation through Jesus. She was not crazy nor a whore. The other issue was, this woman who was the closest confident of Jesus was female and that didn't fly with their male dominated stance.

There are so many more they admit to over the course of time.


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Re: Jehovah's witnesses [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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Cer,

I'm pretty sure all Christian religions branched off from Catholosism, which means they too the edits with them.

I can't speak for the book of Mormon, never read it.

The part this pisses me off is how all the trippy cosmic shit jesus taught was taken out.


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Re: Jehovah's witnesses [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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Im so freaken addict to this board I can't stand myself.
I gotta go, my kids running around like a Pagan LOL.


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Re: Jehovah's witnesses [Re: CER]
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i gotta go, my kids spouting verses like a christian.

ignorance is bliss.


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Men look at themselves and they see flawed humans, we look at women and we see perfect
GODDESSES
Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud
GODS.

~Casil



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Re: Jehovah's witnesses [Re: Todcasil]
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sarcasm ^^


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Men look at themselves and they see flawed humans, we look at women and we see perfect
GODDESSES
Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud
GODS.

~Casil



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Re: Jehovah's witnesses [Re: CER]
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You are uninformed my friend. The Bible is a wonderful book, but it is a mythology, not based on fact. There is no problem with a religion based on a mythology as that is the standard, but it is still only a mythos.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Jehovah's witnesses [Re: RandalFlagg]
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jehovah's witnesses are nice but yet they are the borg

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Re: Jehovah's witnesses [Re: Vvellum]
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JW use their own properly translated bible...
they say that only their organization is the realio dealio with the creator of the universe (other "churches" messed it up somehow)
they are are sort of spin-off of the millerite movement (with a prediction for the end of the world in 1844)

& most all the other folks calling themselves christian find major fault with the JWs because (in spite of their general sorta "fundie" reading of the scriptures) they are not "trinitarians" (that is, they deny the pervasive (within christendom) concept of a triune god - y'know "father, son, & holy spirit") mmmkay?)





"all along the watchtower
princes kept the view..."


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Re: Jehovah's witnesses [Re: gnrm23]
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Not a good idea since they know where u live.
But w/ other jesus freaks who want me to go to their church. my new approach is to offer to go if they are willing to partake in a shroom sacrament. Guy said they were illegal. But not in every country. So if you got some funny green energy credits and a lost soul uses legallity issues as a reason, take em out country and go to church. afterwards.
Amen

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Re: Jehovah's witnesses [Re: CER]
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CER - what about the "gnostic gospels" (the gospel of st thomas, for example). these aren't included as a part of the Bible, and yet have been shown to be written at about the same time as the other gospels. The only main difference? They support a strongly anti-authoritarian approach to the creation of Jesus' church. So if the Bible is the infallable word of God, what's up with those extra gospels?

And, my main question about JW's regards something that I've heard before - that they believe there is a specific, finite number of people who will be taken to heaven when the day of judgement comes (55,000 or something like that). Does anybody know if they actually believe this? And if so, how do they reconcile this belief with the fact that there have been way more than that number of JW's, but they are still trying to convert people? "well, join our church, learn the true word of God, learn about the greatness of heaven... but sorry, it's already filled up :shrug: "


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Re: Jehovah's witnesses [Re: Krishna]
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yes, their is a set number, i think its 100,000 or something ridiculous... very odd belief.


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Men look at themselves and they see flawed humans, we look at women and we see perfect
GODDESSES
Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud
GODS.

~Casil



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Re: Jehovah's witnesses [Re: Krishna]
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My husband, who is a Pastor, knows about "these books" that have not been added to the scriptures. I think he said there are about 6?
Some that he feels are valuable to be added.
Not to contradict my husband (bwah) but I just find it hard to believe that God made a mistake in getting his Word together.
I could go on and on and on here defending "my" faith but I would be reiterating myself continually and it would leave me little time to do anything else!

I know your question about the JW's is not particularly aimed at me but, I have studied their faith a little bit. As far as I know many of the dates they claim to have been the end times have gone and past. And my Bible tells me that if anyone makes a prophecy and it does not come to pass, they are a false prophet.
As far as the number of those entering the kingdom I believe it changes from time to time.


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Re: Jehovah's witnesses [Re: Krishna]
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144,000
12,000 for each of the original 12 tribe of the people of israel...



yeah, after the 1844 millerite debacle, a few other dates were set by JWs (who, as i said, emerged from the millerite movement)-- the best-knnown being 1914...

there are a number of beliefs that JWs hold which tend to put them on the fringes of "mainstream christianity"...

(historical note: the JWs in europe during WWII were made to wear special patches on their clothing, & rounded up & liquidated in hitler's death camps -- along with jews, gypsies, mentally ill, homosexuals, mentally retarded, known communists, and some slavic peoples)


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Re: Jehovah's witnesses *DELETED* [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Anxiety is what you make it.

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Re: Jehovah's witnesses [Re: LunarEclipse]
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Its tough to say that the bible is the ultimate word of God, when man rejected 6 of the 10 best known gospels. I have never been confident enough to say that I know better then God (and if you believe that Mat, Mark, Luke, and John were God's instruments, then Thomas and friends were too), so to say he fucked up 6 of his 10 efforts is a little to bold for me.


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And the angel said unto me, "These are the cries of the carrots, the cries of the carrots! You see, Reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest day and to them it is the holocaust." And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat like the tears of one million terrified brothers and roared, "Hear me now, I have seen the light! They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers!" Can I get an amen? Can I get a hallelujah? Thank you Jesus.

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Re: Jehovah's witnesses [Re: gnrm23]
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Sometimes, I am so in "my world" I forget it's not everyones world. LOL

I remember reading that only 144,000 people would get into heaven with the rapture as a kid and thinking, the odds are not good, considering there are billions of people on the planet. I had my head buried in revelations around the age of 13. It fascinated and scared the hell out of me and fucked with my head more then anything.

I was laughing about this with my husband just now. He just said, "Sounds to me like the "party" will be where the rest of us our going. Who wants to be stuck for eternity with morally pure and self rightious."

Anywayyyyyyyyyyyy, Thankfully, I got the shiz on that number along the way. 144,000 is symbolic of the number of petals on the lotus flower which is symbolic of Christ Consciousness. The lotus flower is also symbilic of the pituitary gland when it opens a release of chemicals that can put you in estatic raputous states.

It gets opened when you open the "holy grail chakra or Christ Point", which is between the 4th and 5th chakras. When you go through it, that area fills like it's expanding and flutters in a flurry "energetically speaking" and pulses. It can last for days, weeks or months. The high is unreal.

Anyone can do it and everyone will at some point. There are no chosen ones, only those who choose, no one saves you from your own darkness, you save yourself by understanding it as your unknown self.

I bet Bible Thumpers would call this one of the myths that will lead people astray, and I ask, in the words of the great Rythem blues prophet Aretha Franklin, "Who's zoomin who?"

This game is fun, is it not? Peek a boo, I seeeeeeeee you!


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Re: Jehovah's witnesses [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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He didn't look too good when they finally opened the door.



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Re: Jehovah's witnesses [Re: Gomp]
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Gomp said:
i would love if a Jehovah's witnesses came to my door :P
wonder why it newer has happen though. might i be a Jehovah's witnesses  repellent? :P


I remember that there was even Jehovah's Witnesses in Norway.... so they are somewhere out there, gomp, sneaking around your house at night and shit, plotting, planning..... If I were you, I'd let the elkhounds lose, and have them chew on them as if they were bears.... :lol:

I'm sorry, but from my limited experience, Jehovah's Witnesses have an even more seperating faith than a lot of more mainstream Chrisitianity, demonstrated by the fact that it is not allowed to celebrate one own's birthday.... A representation of an externalization of God so extreme that one cannot even be themself.... :frown:

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Peace. :mushroom2:


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I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
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Re: Jehovah's witnesses [Re: LunarEclipse]
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I don't know what you are talking about, but technology won't cut it. It's an internal event, promted by internal means.

I have a friend running around looking for the techonological inovation of the millineum that will "fix everything for him"

Sort of defeats the purpose. How is any one ever going to know themselfs ie "Know thyself" and become soveirn responce-able beings when they let others or technology do the work for them.

I think thats how Frakenstien was created. My motto is, don't ever let others create you or tell you what you are or make you out to be what they want you to be.


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