AlChemicalResearch said:

gww said:

You keep saying this even after you provided a link that does not show this at all.

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Also, more illegal immigrants died in ICE detention centers under his administration than under trump.

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Obama had an average of 9 deaths per year and trump has 56 deaths in 500 days of detained immigrants.

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I literally posted the link. Sure Trump's presidency isn't over yet, but he's had 6 years in office, not 500 days, and has had fewer deaths than Obama had under his watch and has had a lower error rate than Obama did.

But Obama was the Deporter In Chief. It's really not fair to compare other presidents to Obama.

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gww said:

He is comparing

AlChemicalResearch said:

gww said:

You keep saying this even after you provided a link that does not show this at all.

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Also, more illegal immigrants died in ICE detention centers under his administration than under trump.

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Obama had an average of 9 deaths per year and trump has 56 deaths in 500 days of detained immigrants.

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I literally posted the link. Sure Trump's presidency isn't over yet, but he's had 6 years in office, not 500 days, and has had fewer deaths than Obama had under his watch and has had a lower error rate than Obama did.

But Obama was the Deporter In Chief. It's really not fair to compare other presidents to Obama.

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Your dw link doesn't even show trumps first term where 80 died but does show 50 or 60 over eight years for obama which is less then trumps first 4 years and his last year is a four fold increase.  You are wrong on your numbers even by our own link but worse, you think you are right enough that you can use it to discount the increase in death going on now and the response that should cause. 

If I took your wrong numbers and your claim that obama deported more, trump is really killing out of line and there must be a reason that needs addressed and criticized.  It would be a boot licking lie to try and muddy something like this.


Then you go so far again in your last few post to say it is (me paraphrasing) insane to say trump is worse and if you do, you make people vote for him.  I don't make people vote for him by pointing out the truth even if belligerent while doing so.  You try to get people to vote for him by putting facts in the wrong light and using lies to hide the truth.

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sudly said:

Do you distinguish between someone like schumer and el sayed when you say 'the 'left'?

What did kamala do that similar to trump giving a multi hundred million dollar contract to a business his son invested in months prior?

Hes cut Medicare for millions, gave majority tax cuts to billionaires again, started another endless war, deregulated the EPA, FDA, and removed the consumer protection beureu.

That's just a few of the criticisms from the top of my head.

Bush did his own version of some of these, trumps just gone further. Trump also made it harder to vote. Disenfranchising many.

So what did you mean when you said no one has real criticisms of trump?

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The number of deaths in ICE custody are already higher under Trump, as the infographic below shows. So far, the count is at 83 deaths.

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AlChemicalResearch said:

sudly said:

Do you distinguish between someone like schumer and el sayed when you say 'the 'left'?

What did kamala do that similar to trump giving a multi hundred million dollar contract to a business his son invested in months prior?

Hes cut Medicare for millions, gave majority tax cuts to billionaires again, started another endless war, deregulated the EPA, FDA, and removed the consumer protection beureu.

That's just a few of the criticisms from the top of my head.

Bush did his own version of some of these, trumps just gone further. Trump also made it harder to vote. Disenfranchising many.

So what did you mean when you said no one has real criticisms of trump?

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wait, how did Trump disenfranchise people? that is something i'm not familiar with.

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sudly said:

AlChemicalResearch said:

sudly said:

Do you distinguish between someone like schumer and el sayed when you say 'the 'left'?

What did kamala do that similar to trump giving a multi hundred million dollar contract to a business his son invested in months prior?

Hes cut Medicare for millions, gave majority tax cuts to billionaires again, started another endless war, deregulated the EPA, FDA, and removed the consumer protection beureu.

That's just a few of the criticisms from the top of my head.

Bush did his own version of some of these, trumps just gone further. Trump also made it harder to vote. Disenfranchising many.

So what did you mean when you said no one has real criticisms of trump?

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wait, how did Trump disenfranchise people? that is something i'm not familiar with.

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The save act, making a drivers license alone an invalid form of ID for voting.

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AlChemicalResearch said:

christopera said:

AlChemicalResearch said:

It was in another thread about China and I was taking the position that China makes dogshit stuff and just because you put LED lights on buildings doesn't make your civilization some bastion of innovation and quality. The Three Gorges Dam was one example amongst many that I posted, and that autist for some reason got fixated on something that no one else really is disputing. The Chinese government says its acceptable, hydrogeologists and engineers say that it's a problem. I guess its up to you to decide, I for one don't have any faith in Chinese engineering, but hey, it's lasted this long.

Oh and the 2019 article was the first one that popped up when i just google searched it right now. Idc that much to find a more recent article, but if you want me to I can.

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And now you use attacks ad hominem.

You’re wrong but you’re not being honest about why youre wrong. Keep going. Let’s hear it. Dig the hole a little deeper.

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What was ad hominem about what i said?

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christopera said:

AlChemicalResearch said:

christopera said:

AlChemicalResearch said:

It was in another thread about China and I was taking the position that China makes dogshit stuff and just because you put LED lights on buildings doesn't make your civilization some bastion of innovation and quality. The Three Gorges Dam was one example amongst many that I posted, and that autist for some reason got fixated on something that no one else really is disputing. The Chinese government says its acceptable, hydrogeologists and engineers say that it's a problem. I guess its up to you to decide, I for one don't have any faith in Chinese engineering, but hey, it's lasted this long.

Oh and the 2019 article was the first one that popped up when i just google searched it right now. Idc that much to find a more recent article, but if you want me to I can.

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And now you use attacks ad hominem.

You’re wrong but you’re not being honest about why youre wrong. Keep going. Let’s hear it. Dig the hole a little deeper.

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What was ad hominem about what i said?

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Cant even be honest when its in your own quote.

Im sorry you feel bad about your poor decision making on purchases from china thus leading you to believe nonsense about Chinese engineering. But its still nonsense.

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autist for some reason got fixated

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christopera said:

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autist for some reason got fixated

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I guess you don't know what an attack ad hominem is either.

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