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This is why i don't have sympathy for people who loose jobs to illegal immigrants
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Musings on immigration and why i have no sympathy for those who loose their jobs to immigrants.



the bit about loosing jobs starts around 1:20

essentially the bit is about how the positions illegal immigrants take are shit positions to begin with so if can't do better than that your a looser.

EDIT: discus your thoughts on immigration policy


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Edited by psyconaught (11/12/13 02:06 AM)

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Re: This is why i don't have sympathy for people who loose jobs to illegal immigrants [Re: psyconaught]
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I grew up in Chicago. I mention that because there is large amount of illegals there. My father worked in the trades and then started flipping real estate. We never had a lack of work because of an illegal immigrant but I'm here to tell you that they do take good paying jobs that many tax paying Americans would gladly fill in that industry. I've seen it with my own eyes. I personally hold the government most responsible for our immigration failure. Followed by American employers that exploit illegal labor. Bunch of tax cheats, and it's a shame our government doesn't crack down on that bullshit. Countries need to enforce their immigration, labor, and tax laws. Seems like pretty basic common sense to me


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I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

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Re: This is why i don't have sympathy for people who loose jobs to illegal immigrants [Re: Simplicitry]
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Rule 3?

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Re: This is why i don't have sympathy for people who loose jobs to illegal immigrants [Re: Mush4Brains]
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They're just scapegoating.

And who would want to pick fruits for like $1 an hour?


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Re: This is why i don't have sympathy for people who loose jobs to illegal immigrants [Re: kneesocks]
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kneesocks said:
They're just scapegoating.

And who would want to pick fruits for like $1 an hour?



The real question would be why somebody would support the concept of one human paying another that amount to pick fruit all why cheating the government out payroll taxes. Sounds like a wonderful group to be defending.


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"

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Re: This is why i don't have sympathy for people who loose jobs to illegal immigrants [Re: Simplicitry]
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Simplicitry said:
I grew up in Chicago. I mention that because there is large amount of illegals there. My father worked in the trades and then started flipping real estate. We never had a lack of work because of an illegal immigrant but I'm here to tell you that they do take good paying jobs that many tax paying Americans would gladly fill in that industry. I've seen it with my own eyes. I personally hold the government most responsible for our immigration failure. Followed by American employers that exploit illegal labor. Bunch of tax cheats, and it's a shame our government doesn't crack down on that bullshit. Countries need to enforce their immigration, labor, and tax laws. Seems like pretty basic common sense to me


of course there are cases you can find. I just thought the bit was humorous so i thought i'd post it and piss off some people haha


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Re: This is why i don't have sympathy for people who loose jobs to illegal immigrants [Re: Simplicitry]
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Simplicitry said:
kneesocks said:
They're just scapegoating.

And who would want to pick fruits for like $1 an hour?



The real question would be why somebody would support the concept of one human paying another that amount to pick fruit all why cheating the government out payroll taxes. Sounds like a wonderful group to be defending.

But it's something that happens, and I'm pretty sure that kind of work is necessary in today's society. I'm not saying it's right, but I don't know how to go about fixing it. Why is there an immigration/citizenship limit?


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A soul that harbors doubt has no joy, not in this world or the next."
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Re: This is why i don't have sympathy for people who loose jobs to illegal immigrants [Re: kneesocks]
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kneesocks said:
Simplicitry said:
kneesocks said:
They're just scapegoating.

And who would want to pick fruits for like $1 an hour?



The real question would be why somebody would support the concept of one human paying another that amount to pick fruit all why cheating the government out payroll taxes. Sounds like a wonderful group to be defending.

But it's something that happens, and I'm pretty sure that kind of work is necessary in today's society. I'm not saying it's right, but I don't know how to go about fixing it. Why is there an immigration/citizenship limit?



Somebody working illeagally for $1/hr is necessary in America?

Did you seriuosly just ask why there are immigration laws?

I don't really have to explain that right?


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"

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Re: This is why i don't have sympathy for people who loose jobs to illegal immigrants [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Mush4Brains said:
Rule 3?


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Re: This is why i don't have sympathy for people who loose jobs to illegal immigrants [Re: kneesocks]
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I tell you what, if things ever get really bad here in the US lets just all move to Canada and take it over. Sounds ethical by your logic right :laugh2:


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"

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Re: This is why i don't have sympathy for people who loose jobs to illegal immigrants [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Mush4Brains said:
Mush4Brains said:
Rule 3?



better? :rolleyes:


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Re: This is why i don't have sympathy for people who loose jobs to illegal immigrants [Re: psyconaught]
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Immediately give amnesty to every illegal immigrant who can prove they've been in the country for longer than 6 months, so that they can't be paid under the table/less than minimum wage any more.  Then the racist illegal immigrant employers would simply switch back to white people if they would have to pay them the same amount.

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Re: This is why i don't have sympathy for people who loose jobs to illegal immigrants [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Mush4Brains said:
Immediately give amnesty to every illegal immigrant who can prove they've been in the country for longer than 6 months, so that they can't be paid under the table/less than minimum wage any more.  Then the racist illegal immigrant employers would simply switch back to white people if they would have to pay them the same amount.



It's actually racist for you to make it sound like all illegals are minorities. Many in Chicago are white, true story bro. It's also racist to imply employers are racist whites. Way to go! :laugh2:

Also Hispanics are hardly a minority in this country anymore


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"

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Re: This is why i don't have sympathy for people who loose jobs to illegal immigrants [Re: Simplicitry]
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You can read the statistics here:

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/ois_ill_pe_2011.pdf

Go to page 5/7, tell me which one of those countries would not be a minority race?

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Many in Chicago are white, true story bro.


Prove it.

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Also Hispanics are hardly a minority in this country anymore


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Race_and_ethnicity

"Hispanic or Latino 50,477,594 16.4 %"

If you don't think 16.4% of something is a minority, I don't know what you think the definition of minority means.

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It's also racist to imply employers are racist whites


http://scorecard.assetsandopportunity.org/2013/measure/business-ownership-by-race

If the majority of business owners in the country are white, and the rate of hiring illegal immigrants are the same between races, then white people are more likely to hire illegal immigrants than other races, especially when you break down the ratio between whites/blacks, whites/latinos, whites/asians and so on.

Edited by Mush4Brains (11/12/13 02:37 AM)

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Re: This is why i don't have sympathy for people who loose jobs to illegal immigrants [Re: psyconaught]
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The problem is realistically Mexicans are probably every bit as hard working as any American, and speaking enough English for work is not really that hard. There's no real reason not to hire these guys for unskilled jobs. The reason you are working in fruit picking or whatever is because you don't have that much education on either side, it's not needed. If they had a doctorate I guess they'd have a free pass over. This guy sounds way out of touch with the reality of the situation.

I basically don't have any qualifications but work in reasonable-ish jobs atm. I see poles working there all the time and they work just fine.


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Re: This is why i don't have sympathy for people who loose jobs to illegal immigrants [Re: Grapefruit]
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There's no real reason not to hire these guys for unskilled jobs.


Except for that the fact that a large portion of the time the money they make leaves the US economy and gets sent to Mexico.  Besides there are plenty of unskilled legal workers who could take the jobs.

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The reason you are working in fruit picking or whatever is because you don't have that much education on either side, it's not needed.


So what if you don't have an education?  Why should being smart be a barrier for living a comfortable life?

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If they had a doctorate I guess they'd have a free pass over.


It depends on what your doctorate is in.  There are doctorates in the United States right now struggling just as hard as people with a B.A. or even a HS degree.

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Re: This is why i don't have sympathy for people who loose jobs to illegal immigrants [Re: Mush4Brains]
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People like you should be only people that have to provide for the for the illegals. Do you know these illegals get free healthcare paid for by the US citizen? Do you know pregnant women come here just so they can get free healthcare (look up the word "anchor baby's"), while Americans have to PAY to have a child?

Then after they get the free healthcare, a lot of them get free welfare? They live completely lawless, b/c you can't send these guys to jail, b/c there not American citizens you can only deport them, so they can rape people, drive without a license, basically do what ever they want without getting in trouble

But if your American and try to do any of these things you would instantly be sent to jail, even for smoking a joint, in some states they get free schooling!! What about US! WE NEED FREE SCHOOLING! AND FREE HEALTHCARE??


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Edited by Kiya_Star427 (11/12/13 08:20 AM)

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Re: This is why i don't have sympathy for people who loose jobs to illegal immigrants [Re: Kiya_Star427]
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What about immigrants who come here and take jobs legally?  When I met my wife she was here on a temporary visa. We get married and 7 years of immigration bullshit later she is a citizen and takes an engineering job.
Legal immigrants take allot of jobs .

• """Most of the immigrant growth in employment was the result of new immigration, rather than immigrants already in the country taking jobs. Some 1.6 million new immigrant workers arrived from abroad since the start of 2009 — we estimate 70 to 90 percent entered legally."

Although the largest gains among immigrants are in lower paid jobs, such as “building cleaning and maintenance, farming/fishing/forestry, personal care, and production (manufacturing),” immigrants also got work in “higher-paying occupations such as those in computer science, math, and management. Clearly, immigrant gains were not confined to a few lower-wage, lower-status occupations.”

""Indeed, “immigrants made significant gains in computer science, management, business and finance, and architecture and engineering,” CIS reported.

While unemployment among natives is not as high in these occupations as in lower-status occupations, there are still a significant number of native-born Americans unemployed (980,000) in these occupations. An argument could be made that if there is a shortage in these higher-skilled occupations then the jobs should go to unemployed natives. In addition, more Americans should be encouraged to enter these fields by improving math and science education and making college scholarships more available rather than relying on foreign sources of labor. Offering higher wages and better benefits is one way the labor market induces workers to retrain, relocate, or re-enter the labor force when demand is strong for certain skills. Bringing in immigrants would seem to preempt that process.

CIS also tackled the persistent myth that immigrants “do the jobs Americans won’t do,” presenting data that show a majority of workers in every major occupation are American citizens.""

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/immigration/item/13506-cis-most-jobs-going-to-immigrants





  How many of you have done this job or lost it to a mexican? You show up at 5am you stand there for hours and maybe someone drives up and picks you. Its not really a job its more of a  desperate attempt to maybe get paid 40 dollars to dig a ditch all day. You could also stand there all week sunup till sundown and not get shit. I dont know who their taking these jobs from . I would grow weed and sell it on craigslist before I did that.

  One of the problems i see with this type of work is illegals are just  easier to hire for this shit regardless of the amount your paying them.
If your a  home based contractor and you need to hire someone for just one day to perform an unskilled task hiring someone from here can be a huge pain in the ass . You gotta do paperwork, w2 form, take a copy of his ss card, run employment verification, go over the employer handbook, add him to your insurance and everything else tax related. You already wasted half a day right there.
  This is why they go grab day laborers from the home depot parking lot. All you have to do is give them cash, and if they hurt themselves just tell them your brother is an ins officer and they should fuck off cause you have to go find a new guy.


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Re: This is why i don't have sympathy for people who loose jobs to illegal immigrants [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Mush4Brains said:
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There's no real reason not to hire these guys for unskilled jobs.


Except for that the fact that a large portion of the time the money they make leaves the US economy and gets sent to Mexico.  Besides there are plenty of unskilled legal workers who could take the jobs.

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The reason you are working in fruit picking or whatever is because you don't have that much education on either side, it's not needed.


So what if you don't have an education?  Why should being smart be a barrier for living a comfortable life?

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If they had a doctorate I guess they'd have a free pass over.


It depends on what your doctorate is in.  There are doctorates in the United States right now struggling just as hard as people with a B.A. or even a HS degree.


I am in agreement by the way, exactly. :thumbup:


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Re: This is why i don't have sympathy for people who loose jobs to illegal immigrants [Re: psilynut]
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I said Illegal immigrants should not be allowed here, Legal immigrants are American's, they can work where ever the hell they please. Illegal's are those who have no respect for our country, boarders and Constitution

And the worst part is these illegals get to cast votes, for more amnesty, and more Socialist policy's and they are exempt from taxes, and they get free healthcare and education.


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Edited by Kiya_Star427 (11/12/13 01:26 PM)

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