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Mklangelo
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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: mm.]
#477408 - 12/02/01 06:02 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your poll question is so loaded it is impossible to answer in a way that will not support your flawed premise.
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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: mm.]
#478351 - 12/03/01 01:34 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Weapons inspectors were part of the surrender agreements Saddam agreed to. Therefore whatever his stance is on the issue is....to coin a smart man...ER pointless. You seem to forget that Saddam agreed to many issues like the no fly zones and weapons inspectors in order for us to stop kicking the fuck out of him....his and your points are ER moot
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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: Innvertigo]
#478372 - 12/03/01 02:10 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rumsfield was on "Meet the Press" this weekend.
One of the reporters asked him if he would consider gassing the Talitan out of the caves and he said something like "Well the Northern Alliance had a lot of success after the prison uprising by flooding those out who wouldn't surrender. So that's always a good option. If they don't surrender, they've made their choice."
Great stuff.
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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#478379 - 12/03/01 02:16 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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And by the way mm,
in order to destabilize somthing it has to be stable in the first place, which the Middle East hasn't been...ever.
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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#478481 - 12/03/01 04:23 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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So why exactly is it right for the US to have weapons of mass destruction, and deny accesss to UN inspectors, while Iraq is not allowed to posses them, and must open up all it's military installations to the world? As a neutral observer, I see both as an equal threat. However the strongest of the two is using it's power to refuse what it is imposing on the weaker. If Rumsfeld attacks Iraq again, it will increase the chance that both sides will use these weapons, and so is to be avoided.
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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: mm.]
#478543 - 12/03/01 05:35 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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You want me to rationalize it?
I will.
We won a war. By winning the war we showed that we are the dominant culture. Our culture can now impose its will on the weaker culture. Call it survival of the fittest. The US will not use a weapon of mass destruction unless one is used against us, no matter what it says in "The Guardian." That paper is so obviously skewed that anyone who reads it cares not about the other side of the situation.
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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#478615 - 12/03/01 06:49 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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OK so the US is an imperialist state striving for global domination. That is why the rest of the world has a problem with you. The Guardian does not say that the US will use weapons of mass destruction in anything other than retaliation, but hey, you probably havent even read it.
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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: mm.]
#478731 - 12/03/01 08:31 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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wow!
obviously none of you know shit about Iraq, or your own fucking governments for that matter.
Saddam did and probably does have NBC weapons. He certainly did use them on his own people, they are the Kurds. The USA supplied Saddam with these biological and chemical weapons in the mid 1980's. The source was a company in Maryland called American Type Culture. They provided him with nasties like Anthrax. In fact the US provided most of the Iraqi militaries arms while it was at war with Iran, and then our president went behind our own backs and sold arms to Iran, a nation that sponsors terrorism! remember? So tell me how much you love your despotic warlords, I say fuck you.
in responce to the ignorant comment of "Iraqis (saddam) who er starve their own citizens." If you know how the UN sanctions regime works you would realized Hussein doesn't starve anyone. In fact prior to the sanctions his nation was on par with the US in terms of public health, and education. Yes he is a ruthless dictator, but he is of the same breed as men like Heir Rumsfeld. One need only look at our support of him when he was OUR ruthless dictator.
Why are Iraqis starving? because the US has decided that to punish Iraq we will impose an inaffective, genocidal, retaliatory embargo upon the people of Iraq.
Hopefully the US will invade Iraq, and find the rest of the world has turned against its imperial foolishness.
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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: Lenore]
#479200 - 12/04/01 07:55 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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****If you know how the UN sanctions regime works you would realized Hussein doesn't starve anyone****
If ignorance is bliss you must be euphoric....
****In fact prior to the sanctions his nation was on par with the US in terms of public health****
Bullshit...i've been there and this couldn't be further from the truth. Iraq was a scummy country when i arrived in 1990 and will always be under Saddam.
****Yes he is a ruthless dictator, but he is of the same breed as men like Heir Rumsfeld****
Would you care to explain what the fuck you are talking about?
****Why are Iraqis starving? because the US has decided that to punish Iraq we will impose an inaffective, genocidal, retaliatory embargo upon the people of Iraq. *****
So it's the US's fault huh?...and not that "ruthless" dictator who runs the country?
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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: Innvertigo]
#479291 - 12/04/01 10:11 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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If someone could give me a clear idea as to what the sanctions are, I'd appreciate it because I can't find anything about them online.
A company in Maryland supplied Iraq with biological weapons? I find this really hard to believe and I'd like to see some kind of proof of that.
Everybody knows about Iran-Contra. It's no secret. And it was definately a mistake to try to capitalize on the warlike tendencies of the Middle East.
mm,
The Guardian is a shitrag. I've read it.
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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#479461 - 12/04/01 12:14 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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from http://seattlep-i.nwsource.com/national/46116_germ3.shtml
A scientific supply company then located in the Maryland suburbs of Washington, the American Type Culture Collection, housed the world's largest collection of germ strains, including particularly virulent variants of anthrax and botulinum discovered in the mid-1950s as part of the American germ warfare program. Overseas customers were required to obtain a license from the Commerce Department to export the most virulent strains, but in 1988 this was largely a formality. Applications, from Iraq or anywhere else, were seldom denied.
Two years earlier, in May 1986, the company had sold an assortment of germs to the University of Baghdad, including three different types of anthrax, five variants of botulinum and three kinds of brucella, which causes an animal disease, brucellosis, that is incapacitating but rarely fatal. Further orders were planned.
Belatedly, the intelligence report on Iraq prompted U.S. officials to prohibit the transfer of more germs to Baghdad. On Feb. 23, 1989, the Commerce Department banned sales of anthrax and dozens of other pathogens to not only Iraq but Iran, Libya and Syria, which were also suspected of trying to develop germ weapons. The ban, said the announcement, grew out of "heightened concern" about the biological threat.
sanctions info & links:
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/sanction/indexone.htm
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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: mm.]
#479479 - 12/04/01 12:28 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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I looked at that link and couldn't find exactly what is banned in Iraq.
As far as the Anthrax thing goes, that's a long way off from the inference that the sale of Anthrax was part of Iran contra. It was a private deal, and when the government found out about it, it was stopped. There are legitimate reasons for selling germs. Research for cures or treatment being the major one.
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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#479811 - 12/04/01 06:08 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Senor Doobie, et al - ya'll are quite ignorant of your government's actions.
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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: -]
#479820 - 12/04/01 06:16 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Secretary of State Madeleine Albright in a May 12, 1996 interview with CBS's Lesley Stahl concerning the deaths of children, etc. from starvation/treatable diseases in sanctioned Iraqi:
Stahl: We've heard that a half million children have died.
Albright: We think the price is worth it.
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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: -]
#480067 - 12/04/01 09:15 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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So no one knows what these sanctions are?
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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: -]
#480384 - 12/05/01 04:12 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Are you a Brit? Even though my Mother is from Liverpool, I'll find some shit and throw it in your face. It won't have a damn thing to do with the post. It won't have a damn thing to do with the "conversation". Just what the fuck are we doing here???
Playing "God's Holy Nation"? What is your point?? Are you all that fucking jealous of the U.S.A.? If you don't live here, and you think we embody all that is evil in this world, THEN WHAT THE FUCK YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT BITCH??? IF THAT IS WHAT YOU THINK YOU NEED TO BE RE-EDUCATED. OPEN A FUCKING BOOK, A BLOODY HISTORY BOOK INSTEAD OF LISTENING TO BLEEDING, LIBERAL, JEALOUS ASS, ONE-TRACK MINDED FRIENDS.
I'm gonna dig some dirt that aint got nothin' to do with ANY FUCKING THREAD. I assume your a Brit. If not tell me what holy-land your sanctimonious ass lives in. I got some DIRT for your left-wing, holier than thou, I got the market cornered on right-thinking and right-acting, my shit don't fucking stink, I can take care of you better than you can take care or yourself after I TAX the LIVING shit out out of your ass!!!!!!!!!!
give it to me asshole... YOU WANNA PICTCH SHIT?? BRING WHAT EVER THE FUCK YOU GOT ASSHOLE!!!!
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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: -]
#480448 - 12/05/01 06:15 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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****Senor Doobie, et al - ya'll are quite ignorant of your government's actions. ****
to the coward with no name, et al - you're a dipshit
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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: Mklangelo]
#480454 - 12/05/01 06:31 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes I live in the UK, in many ways it is just as bad as the US. The fact you think people like me are jealous of the US or it's way of life shows your abject ignorance of the reality of world affairs. As does acting like a 5-year old when someone questions the integrity of your mighty nation
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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: Innvertigo]
#480956 - 12/05/01 04:40 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mklangelo, Invertigo, & Doobie---I dont know what upsets these people more. That Bush is doing such a good job or that conservitives like us do shrooms.
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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: cyclone]
#481667 - 12/06/01 05:48 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not a conservative, i'm a Libertarian...but i see your point....i smoke bud too...that REALLY kills em.
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