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you dont get a job from a poor person
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"you dont get a job from a poor person"

I heard somebody say that over the break. It is a good way to explain why Bush will probly get re-elected after these tax cuts work thier magic. Big companies getting money back from the government so that they can invest into making thier company strong is the best way to create jobs. It would take alot longer to "stimulate" the economy by giving the poorest people money to spend at stores like Wallmart. Who here works at Wallmart? Im not say that those jobs arn't important too, but they certainly arn't the bread and butter of this country.
I think the only reason the Democrats are trying to make Bush's tax cuts look bad are because they are scared that they just might work. I hope everybody remembers three years from now when we have a nice booming economy who really set the plan into action.

Anyway Happy New Year. Hope this world doesn't get too fucked up this time around.
(p.s. mark two more asshole bombings down for the Arab's side this past month)<- I guess they have thier reasons.

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Re: you dont get a job from a poor person [Re: ehud]
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Big companies getting money back from the government so that they can invest into making thier company strong

Why on earth would they invest in making their company strong if they know they can always get handouts? They are far more likely to invest it in 400% pay rises for directors, new mansions and swimming pools.


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Re: you dont get a job from a poor person [Re: Xlea321]
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Nicely said ehud, at least someone has some common sense on this subject. I'd like to point out the reason why the economy dropped when Bush got in wasn't because of Bush, the President has no power over except making obstacles for it to succeed. Bush stated taxes are an obstacle and when you take em away you'll see more success. But besides that, when Clinton was in, everone said o what a great economy, WELL ENRON was bankrupt long before it was publicized as well as other companies like World Com etc... The President's tresurer or whoever auditing wasn't giving a correct report. So in the stock market you'd see everything going well b/c of a false auditing of the companies. Then Bush gets in and the guy who does the audits for Clinton is out, Bush's man audits the companies and drop in stocks. Jesus it MUST BE THE PRESIDENT!!! Democrats are just fucking dirty as hell. Not the people being brainwashed, but the politicians who do all the brainwashing and lies and throw the dirt at whatever Republican they can find. But you know, you rarely ever see a Republican and Democrat come together and debate something other then when they have to like Senatorial debates or Presidential. Why, because Republicans are intellectuals and they've had a good answer for every negative question the Dems throw at them, but when it comes to ask the Dem a question, they say something that means nothing toward the matter and change the subject. IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. For you people who don't believe me, go watch some CSPAN. You'll learn something.

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Why on earth would they invest in making their company strong if they know they can always get handouts? They are far more likely to invest it in 400% pay rises for directors, new mansions and swimming pools.



God damn Alex, you've got a problem with more money. SO WHAT, you made a post about Communism saying it wasn't that bad an idea. Well in Communism EVERYBODY is at the bottom, equally poor, the rich will leave the country b/c the taxes are horrendous. BUT YOU FAIL TO SEE THIS, while everybody lives equally, as you so desire, the high ranks in government are living in MANSIONS and swimming pools a bunch of cars, eating lavishly good food, and complete luxery. DO YOU SEE A PROBLEM WITH THIS???

Yes, those directors will get a raise, but after going through college, and making it through business school, THEY DESERVE IT, and its not just the directors that will get the pay raise, the whole work force will. Clinton wanted to raise the minimum wage, ALREADY we're paying about 40% of our salary to taxes, now a higher minimum wage??? Lemme tell you something, minimum wage is where EVERYBODY STARTS, if you're a hard worker and don't slack off you'll get a raise. THAT'S how its supposed to be. But that's a little off the subject.

Monosiplinatrosinistity,
Dilauded

Edited by Dilauded (01/14/03 07:44 PM)

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Re: you dont get a job from a poor person [Re: Xlea321]
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Since when is paying less the same as getting a handout? I guess when I pay $200 in taxes as opposed to the $300 I would have paid a year ago, I'm getting a $100 handout.

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Re: you dont get a job from a poor person [Re: Dilauded]
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its not just the directors that will get the pay raise, the whole work force will.

I've worked in enough places to know this isn't the case.


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Re: you dont get a job from a poor person [Re: Xlea321]
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Well what's holding you back from looking for a better job???

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Re: you dont get a job from a poor person [Re: Dilauded]
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It's not about me - I'm doing fine.

Amazingly enough I care about people.


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Re: you dont get a job from a poor person [Re: ehud]
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Big companies getting money back from the government so that they can invest into making thier company strong is the best way to create jobs

If that were the case the poor and middle class should be getting richer. But in fact the rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer and the middle class are disappearing. The rate of unemployment would be getting better not worse.

Edited by Eno_ (01/15/03 10:54 PM)

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Re: you dont get a job from a poor person [Re: ]
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Do you have any proof that the poor are getting pooer, other than that worn out cliche? The rich are getting richer, sure, but what does that matter? I look around me and see a flourishing middle class.

Oh, people are losing their jobs because of the recession which, though the government can really do very little about, is being worked on through the plan in the original post, which has not been put into effect.

And once again, the key word in the statement "companies getting money back from the government" is the word BACK, meaning it was the companies' money to begin with.

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Re: you dont get a job from a poor person [Re: Anonymous]
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The rich are getting richer, sure, but what does that matter?

Money isn't usually in infinite supply. If someone's getting more it's a good bet someone else is getting less. We agree the rich are getting more - so who do you think is getting less?

meaning it was the companies' money to begin with.

Lots of ordinary people pay tax's too. You sure none of their money got pissed away in corporate welfare?


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Re: you dont get a job from a poor person [Re: Xlea321]
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And likewise, are you sure that none of the corporations money is being pissed away in social welfare programs?

How do you know the rich are getting richer at the poor's expense and not at other rich people's expense?

How about this: the rich who are getting richer are doing so by investing wisely in the stock market, thus taking money not from any particular class, but from those who invest in the same companies causing the stock price to grow, and from those who sold their shares at inflated prices.

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Re: you dont get a job from a poor person [Re: Anonymous]
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Yeah the rich get richer that way. But by having to do very little at all for that extra money except sit on their bums and wait for that money to multiply. The poor dont have that opportunity because they dont have a surplus beyond survival needs. In a report the US govt put out. It said that the gap between the rich and poor was going to have to continue to grow, suggesting it was already growing.

There have been official reports in Australia made recently saying the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer which the govt has refused to publish.

Edited by Eno_ (01/16/03 12:50 PM)

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Re: you dont get a job from a poor person [Re: ]
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But by having to do very little at all for that extra money except sit on their bums and wait for that money to multiply

Investing is a little more complicated than that. Everyone always bitches at the rich for getting richer, but many times they have earned that wealth through ambition, intelligence, and hard work, granted there are plenty of rich bastards that make their fortune through exploitation or inheritance, but there are plenty of others who have earned their keep.


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Re: you dont get a job from a poor person [Re: Anonymous]
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How about this: the rich who are getting richer are doing so by investing wisely in the stock market, thus taking money not from any particular class


The stock market involves money, money circulates from one hand to another, it doesn't pop up from the void and investing "wisely" is like a weather forecast, sometimes you get wrong and puff !! A couple of companies change hands, become uninteresting, are sold and some hundred of workers loose their jobs. Now , tell me who won something with all this ?

MAIA


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Use, do not abuse; neither abstinence nor excess ever renders man happy.
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Re: you dont get a job from a poor person [Re: MAIA]
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>A couple of companies change hands, become uninteresting, are sold and some hundred of workers loose their jobs.

I'm guessing you're referring to Enron and other crooked companies who make liberal use of insider trading. This is illegal and doesn't happen as much as the media would have you believe.

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Re: you dont get a job from a poor person [Re: Anonymous]
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This is illegal and doesn't happen as much as the media would have you believe.

And you know this how exactly? What "insider knowledge" do you have?


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Re: you dont get a job from a poor person [Re: Skikid16]
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Investing is a little more complicated than that.

So what's that, they have to find a good financial advisor?

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Re: you dont get a job from a poor person [Re: ]
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How did they earn the money necessary to obtain the advice of a good finacial advisor? Some did it dirty, some did it honest. Their will always be corruption, but there will also always be integrity (I hope).


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Re: you dont get a job from a poor person [Re: Skikid16]
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I'm just saying that I can't see how investing takes a lot of ambition, intelligence, and hard work. People who have become very rich have usually invested money and the amount of money they end up with is not proportional to the amount of work they did over thier life.

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Re: you dont get a job from a poor person [Re: ]
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But it takes the capital to start investing, and the continued capital to gain access to investment consultation.

Besides, investing is vital to the economy, when you invest, if the company you invested in has sound business practices, they will use your money to expand and improve their business which usually equates to more jobs, better services and improved products. So in turn, investors are letting their money provide others opportunities for jobs which otherwise wouldn't have existed if the intital investment in the company wasn't made. All I'm trying to say is even if investors didn't do work to earn their money, they took risks, risks that provided others opportunities.


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