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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie]
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callmehippie said:
That proves zero benefit and the killing contamin factor and stuff like that. It doesn't prove that it's not beneficial to expand core with hot water over cold water. I've read many times that hot water helps it go along a lot faster. That is a benefit.


It's good enough for a hypothesis yes. But it is by no means proof and is not good enough in the sake of the conversation for saying I know for a fact what you're doing is 100% beneficial.

And then to respond especially with no proof to back it up it's such an unsubstantiated claim. Which I absolutely also agree with.


Hot water expands it faster than cold yes.  Theres a threshhold tho. Boiling water you will need to wait longer for it to cool down especially in an insulated container thus time from prep to spawn vs cold is alot longer negating the faster time  to hydrate benefit.  Use water thats warm but not over 110F (103 is nice) if youre going to heat it. It cools a bit when you pour it.  I live off grid. My propane is precious i use cold water from the creek that is RO filtered to save $ and trips to town.  If its a hot day and the hose has been roasting in the sun then yes ill use hot water but its not going to be too hot to spawn and after the 1st 8 gallons its cold anyways.  I Usually prep 5 5kg bricks at a time.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: TedsDead]
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Gotcha. For sure. Especially makes sense in your situation.

I'm definitely going to get Cold a try now just for the hell of it.lol

Also I will take that advice on not using as hot of water to slow my cool down time if I'm ever in a more of a rush. Ive gotban electric kettle. So I'll try  110f.

I appreciate you and the advice.

I normally make it the night before and then go to bed and by the time I've gotten off of work and done things with my son it's cool and ready to use.




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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie] * 2
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callmehippie said:
Gotcha. For sure. Especially makes sense in your situation.

I'm definitely going to get Cold a try now just for the hell of it.lol

Also I will take that advice on not using as hot of water to slow my cool down time if I'm ever in a more of a rush. Ive gotban electric kettle. So I'll try  110f.

I appreciate you and the advice.

I normally make it the night before and then go to bed and by the time I've gotten off of work and done things with my son it's cool and ready to use.






When youre spawning all day amd the coir gets low youll learn what works best to keep up the workflow.  The warm definitely hydrates faster and boiling even more so but you lose time with the boiling.    I dunno bottom line why I responded was dont waste $ on the cooler haha. And vacuum bucket dude, put a hole in the lid or dont put it on so tight.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: TedsDead] * 1
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I use boiling water and a cooler to insulate. I let it sit for a couple days. I also use bricks of coir and the lowest possible coir:water ratio that still gets everything hydrated. Then I compress the fuck out of everything when spawning, to get more hydrated coir into the same amount of space. That all works for me, helps me both eliminate dry patches and prevent excessive condensation after spawning. Maybe I'm doing extra work, but it's worth it for me to create tubs that require almost no additional thought or effort. Hell, it's worth it to me just to make spawning a process that requires no additional though or effort. Bagged coir sounds cool, but given my limited storage space, bricks work well for me. I'm tryin to get off the coir or any other purchased substrates and find something I can just grow in my yard, anyway (and no, I couldn't store a pallet of bagged coir out there, it would just become rat condos).

In the same way that I never need LC to speed up the inoculation process, I never need to prepabunchofcoirrightnow. Planning ahead for spawning is the least of my worries. Even if I'm pumping a bunch of tubs, I'm always trying to stagger them so that I'm not drowning in harvests.

But here's the real thing:

A. That's just MY PREFERENCE. IDGAF what anyone else does. I don't think it matters too much, it's just a matter of how one likes to work and what they have dialed-in.

B. I think this is another one of those areas where sketchy spawn has led to sketchy conclusions. Like, for instance, there's no way in hell I could have gotten away with compressing the way I do now back when all my spawn was bacterial mids.

C. If we want to get real about "what the myc likes," or, if you prefer, get all "woo-woo" about it, then at some point we have to consider the positive feedback loop of people selecting cultures that do well under their particular cultivation regime, selecting practices that work well for their particular cultures, and so on and so forth.

D. I personally don't actually have any "proof" of anything other than what I've seen in my own grow. Literally everything else on this subject is just an elaborate series of statements that all amount to "trust me, bro".

By the way, I really don't understand this problem with buckets collapsing once they cool and pull a vacuum. It's never been an issue for me. I don't know if it's just that Home Depot buckets are thin, cheap crap or what (never bought one myself.)

Anyway, put three 650g bricks in a bucket. Pour a little boiling water on them, like a pint or something, and seal the lid. Come back the next day and pull them apart. Add 6.5 quarts of boiling water, seal the lid, roll the bucket around a bit to distribute the water, put in a cooler for two days. Pop the lid and spawn. Source: Just trust me, bro.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: B Traven] * 2
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dryer lint... this is the future my dude



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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BeefExtreme] * 2
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BeefSupremeJr said:
dryer lint... this is the future my dude




Fast-forward 6 months, and I'll be hanging out outside industrial laundry facilities.

"Hey, uh, if you all are too busy, I could uh, clean out all your lint traps for free..."


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: B Traven] * 1
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I suspect you are correct about Home Depot buckets being POS. Never even occurred to me to use them with boiling water. I too use a orange cooler for my cor. Bought a couple for cold drinks on the deck and ended up finding a fridge with an ice maker instead so for me it was just using what I already have. Never saw anyone else do it. Never looked for a how to on the internet. Big fan of rl classes.  When my kids closed their gourmet growing business we just grew for ourselves so scaling down to just the family was a nice pace. Anyway the cooler works and I suspect many people did not buy them for coir.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: B Traven]
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Ok. Spore swabs are annoying.

I’ve been going around with the search engine and various information. So.

If I take 1ml of distilled water, boil it for 15 minutes, put it in a tube and allow to cool for a long time until I’m ready to use it.

I can then use that tube to hydrate my swab correct? Let’s say let it sit in the tube for 24 hours.

If I then wanted to, couldn’t I use an inoculation loop on the water as well?

Got some albino Bluey’s I don’t wanna mess up


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Splittinghairs] * 1
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I tease off a piece of the swab with tweezers/forceps and then i streak the plate and push the bit of cotton into the agar with the tweezers so the cotten is embedded in the agar.

Don't know if that'll help you or not.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: LotKid]
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Was planning on for certain tearing off swab for last plate.

Wanna inoculate 10 plates.

I can just never tell if adding water to swab helps or not. I’ve gone through two yeti swabs (one I just added a drop of water to, other dry) and closing in on two weeks nothing. Didn’t do the swab on those mainly cause trying to figure out why the swabs seem to never germinate.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Splittinghairs]
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Sterile water cant hurt.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids]
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Im back playing with the PF Tek and have two questions to resolve.

I use micropore tape and 4 holse in the lid for inoculation with spore syringe. Can i just leave the holes from the needle or is that a source of contamination?

After i did some jars im noticing that the substrate seems to compact itself leading to the dry verm filter layer just sitting on top loose - how do you get the right compression to avoid that?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Splittinghairs] * 2
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Splittinghairs said:
Was planning on for certain tearing off swab for last plate.

Wanna inoculate 10 plates.

I can just never tell if adding water to swab helps or not. I’ve gone through two yeti swabs (one I just added a drop of water to, other dry) and closing in on two weeks nothing. Didn’t do the swab on those mainly cause trying to figure out why the swabs seem to never germinate.


Why do you feel the need to streak 10 plates? That sounds like a very unnecessary amount to me. I'd start with one plate and then if i get growth, start transferring to new plates. One plate for germination is all you need.  If you get germination on all 10 plates, then what? Transfer from all them to new plates? That's a lot of unnecessary work and supplies.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tittlez] * 1
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Pf tek doesnt call for mp tape, the dry verm is the filter. By all means add mp tape for peace of mind


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids] * 1
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Has anyone ever walked into a hotel, grabbed breakfast, and left?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids]
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i was picking up a friend at a hotel and ya.. i had some breakfast with him:lol:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: LotKid]
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LotKid said:
Splittinghairs said:
Was planning on for certain tearing off swab for last plate.

Wanna inoculate 10 plates.

I can just never tell if adding water to swab helps or not. I’ve gone through two yeti swabs (one I just added a drop of water to, other dry) and closing in on two weeks nothing. Didn’t do the swab on those mainly cause trying to figure out why the swabs seem to never germinate.


Why do you feel the need to streak 10 plates? That sounds like a very unnecessary amount to me. I'd start with one plate and then if i get growth, start transferring to new plates. One plate for germination is all you need.  If you get germination on all 10 plates, then what? Transfer from all them to new plates? That's a lot of unnecessary work and supplies.


Trying to up the odds.

You’re probably right though. Just do like 4 and one buried. At that point fuck it.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: mushboy] * 1
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mushboy said:
i was picking up a friend at a hotel and ya.. i had some breakfast with him:lol:


I was walking by and stopped in to use the shitter and those english muffins smelled tempting lol


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids]
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tryptkaloids said:
Has anyone ever walked into a hotel, grabbed breakfast, and left?


That came out of nowhere. 😂


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: 1NFIN8]
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I've had friends get pounds of weed and mushrooms delivered to hotels they weren't staying at while out on tour... :shrug:

If you run out and need 10 pounds by Chicago.... pick a hotel and order ahead of time. Have it waiting for you when you get in town :lol:


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