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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Arkyhog]
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Arkyhog said:
tryptkaloids said:
Ill agree to disagree. This may not be the thread, but i think its a good topic to have in public. Its all in the name of everyone being on the same page



I learned something from it, I didn't know what the hell P stood for or F1, F2...and I have been on here for a year poking around. "When we stop disagreeing, we stop progressing."-My quote I just made it up and I am claiming it!


I have a journal post explaining it for anyone who wants to see. Also explains the unrelated T1, T2, T3, which I've seen people confuse with P, F1, F2,
"What's T1, T2, T3 etc. And what's F1, F2, F3?"

Tryptalk: It's not a grammatical gripe. Another reason to get it right is when you search AI about magic mushrooms now, you get stuff that's largely trained from Shooomery. Train that shit wrong and it's wrong forever.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: 1NFIN8] * 10
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QQ Should I care about any of this now?



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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: RoscoeReturns] * 5
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RoscoeReturns said:
QQ Should I care about any of this now?





You should care someone forgot the sauerkraut and spicy brown mustard! And where is mine?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: nektar61]
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But any f generation comes from and can parent a new generation.
Tomato tomato potato potato.

Im not sure it matters how you denote it, even if you're breeding.
Nightshade, nightshade, nightshade...


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: nektar61] * 1
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Another reason to get it right is when you search AI about magic mushrooms now, you get stuff that's largely trained from Shooomery. Train that shit wrong and it's wrong forever.


It already is and led me so far astray from today's information that I'm lucky to have anything besides a few BM cubensis fruit and a completely lost GT tub. This is a long topic but something I want to put into a post because I lived it. AI doesn't differentiate on right or wrong as it surfs through the myriad of rights and wrongs on here but it certainly presented it as golden.

Ask it to only focus on TEKS from TC's after a certain date and you might get results that are worthwhile. But that requires a certain understanding of the structure here before launching off.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: 1NFIN8] * 1
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U can't apply plant biology and genetics to fungal biology and genetics


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Arkyhog] * 3
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Arkyhog said:
RoscoeReturns said:
QQ Should I care about any of this now?





You should care someone forgot the sauerkraut and spicy brown mustard! And where is mine?


I couldn’t figure out how to heat the sauerkraut over the fire on a stick. Wife has the mustard. Yours is here. There is always a spot by the fire.


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How much really fits in a 00 capsule?

Micro and Macro Mushroom Photography

Can you freeze mycelium?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: catnip40] * 3
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Yeah, not to mention when trying to stabilise specific phenos is the original pheno the parent? I always put F0 as there are normally a few and neither are the parent :shrug:
Surprised that over the years given the hundreds of conversations where this has been brought up, P has never been mentioned till now.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: 1NFIN8] * 1
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1NFIN8 said:
Ask it to only focus on TEKS from TC's after a certain date and you might get results that are worthwhile. But that requires a certain understanding of the structure here before launching off.


And this topic proves TCs aren't always right. And some will argue until they're blue in the face for their right to be wrong. haha.

Even on grow stuff, we've all seen TCs get into arguments with each other about who's right. But yes, you'll do better searching TCs only than a general search.

I don't do that but I know which TCs to ignore in results and which non-TCs to read.

I do limit tek searches here to last 5 years. With some exceptions, it does get wonky here before that.

I was the person who suggested to Ythan to add this to all threads older than 5 years except "Agar Envy" and "Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day":  Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.

The big problem still is that really old posts still show up at bottom of each page as "related posts."

There are a couple other tricks for streamlining searches here (not on AI) How to use the Advanced Search on Shroomery

One thing I love about the Shroomery is I'm sure it's going to never add AI. Might be the last site that never does.


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--GROWING SHROOMS, FROM SPORES TO TRIPS
--x7x+ variety history.

Edited by nektar61 (07/19/25 08:35 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: nektar61] * 2
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Pffft, most TC’s aren’t scientists though, just experienced growers, calm ya farm.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: catnip40] * 3
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Sometimes nektar never realizes how often she is wrong or misunderstood in her understandings

Remember the sector saga. She had a lot to say without ever reading into the literature

I'm not saying f0 is right or wrong but the fact remains that still no one is able to source or explain how fungal generations work. Most would say para sexuality is not a thing but it must be if we consider a fruit body that has not underwent meiosis F1 hybrid...

Meiosis and recombination is like what defines the new generation of recombinant haploid genotypes so how is the fruit body that hasn't underwent that a F1?

There is a paper that describes plasmogamy as the start of the F1 gen..but karyogamy is when the nuclei actually fuse..so I don't really understand that 

When plasmogamy occurs it's no longer the P generation but it also would appear to me that it's not the F1 gen yet either..

since the fruit bodies can and do show mixed traits but technically have not underwent recombination yet what is it ?



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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: RoscoeReturns] * 2
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nektar61 said:
Arkyhog said:
tryptkaloids said:
Ill agree to disagree. This may not be the thread, but i think its a good topic to have in public. Its all in the name of everyone being on the same page



I learned something from it, I didn't know what the hell P stood for or F1, F2...and I have been on here for a year poking around. "When we stop disagreeing, we stop progressing."-My quote I just made it up and I am claiming it!


I have a journal post explaining it for anyone who wants to see. Also explains the unrelated T1, T2, T3, which I've seen people confuse with P, F1, F2,
"What's T1, T2, T3 etc. And what's F1, F2, F3?"

Tryptalk: It's not a grammatical gripe. Another reason to get it right is when you search AI about magic mushrooms now, you get stuff that's largely trained from Shooomery. Train that shit wrong and it's wrong forever.


Ai will always be wrong. It doesnt have vision, smell, or feel. It cant read, write, or understand. It can only compare and mimic. Im not here to train computers, im here to help people learn. A lot of breeding science and terminology is above my head so i stick with what i know. Healthy myc or contam? Where is my issue? What caused this failure?  etc

Im not sure why its so important to call CRS and AA+ P instead of f0 every generation that got them to where they are is technically a p# - even if both mating spores come from the same fruit.


I swear im gonna go to school to understand this shit one day. I hate that i largely dont get it lol


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"Remember, kids, the difference between science and screwing around is writing it down" -adam savage
Flowchart for Recommended plan of action.
Learn the tried and true way to grow mushrooms
Use the Damn search engine
After you know what you're doing, take a break 
Pick a book, Make some chips!
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: 3.A.M]
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3.A.M said:
Yeah, not to mention when trying to stabilise specific phenos is the original pheno the parent? I always put F0 as there are normally a few and neither are the parent :shrug:
Surprised that over the years given the hundreds of conversations where this has been brought up, P has never been mentioned till now.


Pretty sure Bod uses P. I think RR and Workman did.

It's hard to prove with advanced search function, even going back 20 years. Advanced Search doesn't deal well with single characters, or even a string in quotes like "P, F1, F2."

But pot growers use it, so do animal breeders.

You do NOT want a generation of Savannah Cat before F3 in your house, it might maul you. 

(Savannah is a cross between wild serval / house cat. Then they are crossed with house cats to tame the wild genes a bit for expensive pets.)

By the way, in F1, F2, the letter F stands for "filial generation."


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--How to grow POPPIES.
--GROWING SHROOMS, FROM SPORES TO TRIPS
--x7x+ variety history.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids] * 2
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tryptkaloids said:
nektar61 said:
Arkyhog said:
tryptkaloids said:
Ill agree to disagree. This may not be the thread, but i think its a good topic to have in public. Its all in the name of everyone being on the same page



I learned something from it, I didn't know what the hell P stood for or F1, F2...and I have been on here for a year poking around. "When we stop disagreeing, we stop progressing."-My quote I just made it up and I am claiming it!


I have a journal post explaining it for anyone who wants to see. Also explains the unrelated T1, T2, T3, which I've seen people confuse with P, F1, F2,
"What's T1, T2, T3 etc. And what's F1, F2, F3?"

Tryptalk: It's not a grammatical gripe. Another reason to get it right is when you search AI about magic mushrooms now, you get stuff that's largely trained from Shooomery. Train that shit wrong and it's wrong forever.


Ai will always be wrong. It doesnt have vision, smell, or feel. It cant read, write, or understand. It can only compare and mimic. Im not here to train computers, im here to help people learn. A lot of breeding science and terminology is above my head so i stick with what i know. Healthy myc or contam? Where is my issue? What caused this failure?  etc

Im not sure why its so important to call CRS and AA+ P instead of f0 every generation that got them to where they are is technically a p# - even if both mating spores come from the same fruit.


I swear im gonna go to school to understand this shit one day. I hate that i largely dont get it lol


My grandpa was a successful farmer for his whole life and I guarantee you that he knew fuck all about the specifics of plants. I set out to be a cultivator who knows fuck all about fungus. 🤷‍♂️


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: nektar61] * 16
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please, be more pedantic.  I just can’t get enough.  F0 does exist because ppl use it and those communicating understand what it means.  It’s a synonym for p. 

Who. Gives. A. Fuck.

How’s that for lazy?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ThurmanMurman]
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I did find ONE person here, a TC, using "P", 6 years ago, LtLurker, on "The official RustyWhyte grow along", it's basically a shorter version of the same converation we're having now. Took some work to find. Most people use F0.

ThurmanMurman said:
My grandpa was a successful farmer for his whole life and I guarantee you that he knew fuck all about the specifics of plants. I set out to be a cultivator who knows fuck all about fungus. 🤷‍♂️


Well, I was just about to post something this to you, I said a long time ago on here, it also answers Faht. (who has done good non-pedantic work going from P, to F1, up through F(x), to create and stabilize new varieties)
  I said, and I'll say it again,: Once in a while you'll see people throwing around scientific phrases about mushroom life cycles, things like dikaryotic, monokaryon, basidia, haploid, and diploid.

I will strongly state that anyone can grow fat canopy tubs of strong shrooms without knowing those words or concepts. It's worth saying because some people see it and get hung up on it. I did early on.


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--GROWING SHROOMS, FROM SPORES TO TRIPS
--x7x+ variety history.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: fahtster] * 1
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hello everyone, hey i got this weird ass blue mold or contamination in this fruiting box, i've never actually had that happen when its fruiting, i've seen it in bags and before fruiting and i just huck them out in the woods.

i have a cleaner i dropped a few little drops in the effected area and it made the blue go away but i dont know if thats just the fluid drowning the color out, and it has these like black marks left in its wake, its gettin crispy!

is this box fucked? i was gonna let it ride just to see what happens, will it be a bad influence if i keep it around?


Edited by PompNCircumstance (07/19/25 11:59 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: PompNCircumstance] * 1
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I just see bruising my dude


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Flowchart for Recommended plan of action.
Learn the tried and true way to grow mushrooms
Use the Damn search engine
After you know what you're doing, take a break 
Pick a book, Make some chips!
Josex said:Don't take the site seriously bro, ain't worth it.
 

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids]
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Shes dry.


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"Remember, kids, the difference between science and screwing around is writing it down" -adam savage
Flowchart for Recommended plan of action.
Learn the tried and true way to grow mushrooms
Use the Damn search engine
After you know what you're doing, take a break 
Pick a book, Make some chips!
Josex said:Don't take the site seriously bro, ain't worth it.
 

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids]
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ok, i havent seen that before, thank ye

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