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Into SporePlay Registered: 07/04/20 Posts: 3,241 Loc: Cube Satellite Last seen: 8 days, 1 hour |
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Welcome. Turning bird food into really good drugs feels like alchemy. First: --TELL NO ONE. TELL NO ONE. TELL NO ONE that you grow. Probably half of people in prison for drugs are there because they told someone who didn't need to know. That person gets mad and tells the cops. Or they just think it's cool, and tell people. The person you told, or someone they told, gets busted, and you are their only bargaining chip. Read Arrest Proof Yourself. Telling no one isn't just about avoiding cops, it's about avoiding being known as "the person who grows shrooms." At best, people will bug you non-stop for shrooms. At worst, people will rob you. Thieves love to rob people with drugs, because you can't call the cops on them. --Don't worry about finding the perfect variety. Most cube varieties (sometimes incorrectly called "strains") will get you very fucking high if you eat a few grams. That said: --Don't take a huge dose your first few times. Read this post, the whole thread, really: To the young men taking "heroic" doses to fix themselves, but having a bad time. --Get a scale accurate to less than a tenth of a gram. So you know how much you're taking. Eyeballing it makes it hard to figure out what's what. Digital postage scale on Amazon or eBay is about 15 bucks. Maybe less. --Keep notes, but encrypt. Also label stuff. I use a label maker, one with a QWERTY keyboard (NOT alphabetical layout). It's frustrating to grow a killer T2 plate ready to go to grain and not know what it is. --Except for PE (Penis Envy) and its sub-varieties, most cubes are similar in strength, with solid potency and robust growth coming from selecting and cloning the right genetics. Don't worry about that yet. Some of it is even just marketing to try to influence your subjective opinion. --(Advanced): Don't worry about getting a single sector of clone. A few sectors can make a better clone. Read my response here starting with the line "There will always be some sectoring." Potency doesn't matter so much. So you have to take 3 grams of a weaker cube rather than 2 grams of a stronger cube. Makes no difference, because if you get good at growing, you'll always have more shrooms than you can use. What I'm mainly saying with "Potency doesn't matter much" is that people new to shrooms tend to spend too much time worrying about "what strain", and it's more important to just grow some shrooms and get good at the basics. The amount of bluing when you bruise or cut shrooms is NOT an indicator of potency. Penis Envy cube shrooms are strong but usually don't blue much. There are cube shrooms that blue a lot but aren't strong. Some cubes bruise green. More on the science of bluing in my reply on this post. Try growing a few different varieties at first (like 3 or 4) and then concentrate on what grows best for you. Or even just start with 1 variety that is a common classic cube that grows well. The sponsors here are trustworthy. Or if you've been on this site a while, you can trade or even get a free swab on the Marketplace. I started with B+ variety. It was easy to grow. Don't start with PE, it takes a long time to grow. There are 3 steps to growing shrooms. They are: 1. Growing mycelium from spores on agar plates 2. Growing mycelium into bulk spawn on grain in jars (usually wide-mouth 1-quart mason jars) 3. Growing shrooms in tubs (start with shoebox size plastic tubs, not larger monotubs or bags) You can learn each step and buy the things for it before learning / buying for the next part. No need to master all at once. Too long / don't read? My whole process in one post. Here are the two threads I check every day when I go on this site. Bookmark these: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) and Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day. You can learn a lot from reading these threads and seeing what's new. Good thread for Cultivation General Discussion and questions. Great thread on how shroom growing should and shouldn't look, at every step. --Forget grow kits. They almost always end in mold. Forget "Uncle Ben's Tek." If you must use a "training wheels" tek, use PF tek, but I'd recommend skipping that and just starting with agar. If you can follow directions you can make it work. --Fluffy (tomentose) mycelium can be as good as rhizo (ropey). Rhizo just looks cool. Also, people like rhizo because it's easier to tell from fluffy mold. Our brains are trained by evolution to recoil from mold. --Learn to pour agar. After you pour plates, let them cool, put stacks of ten in the sleeve they came in (or wrap the stack in cling wrap), tape up the top, cover with a sealed trash bag, and keep them a week to 10 days at room temp before use, to make sure none are contaminated. Mark it on your calendar. If you have contam, bacteria often shows in 2 to 4 days, mold can take a week or so to show. You can keep poured plates in the fridge after that for months, but that can lead to condensation which can lead to problems. If you store in the fridge, store them upside down so any water will drip into the inside of the top, then you can open them upside down in your SAB or in front of flow hood and pour out the water. Poured plates last at least 6 weeks outside the fridge in the sealed sleeve without drying out. (Unless you live somewhere very hot and dry) You can skip using Petri dishes and use Glad Mini Rounds ("Pasty Plates"), they're cheaper and you can buy them in a grocery store. But they make it hard to really see what's going on with your agar, mycelium, and contams. You can really see what you're doing with petri plates. They give a 100% view of the top and bottom of what you're doing. If you want good inexpensive sterile disposable one-use (best) Petri plates, here is info. --When using agar plates, keep your hand away from being over them. Even if you're take sterile precautions, passing your hand over increases chance of a few germs or mold spores dropping onto the plate. I used to think of the kid game "hot lava" to avoid passing over the plates, until it was innate. --Make an SAB, pronounced "S-A-B" (still air box). Costs about 10 dollars. Use the biggest tote / tub you can. I used a 107 quart tote. Smaller will be a hassle. Here's a good short tek on making an SAB. If you use a hot coffee can to make the holes, wear protective gloves to prevent burning your hand. Or hold it with pliers, and do it outside to avoid breathing fumes of plastic melting. --Learn sterile techniques. --Learn to transfer away from contams (contaminations) on agar. --Learn to clone. --Don't try to save a contaminated grow! Chuck it, figure out what you did wrong, and start again. I was told on here early on, "If you try to save contaminated grows, you'll never bother to figure out how to do clean grows." It made me mad then but it's great advice. If anyone tells you to keep a contaminated grow, put them in Ignore, because they can't help you. --Don't touch your shrooms while they grow, and don't touch your sub (substrate, your grow medium in a tub). You will touch them anyway, at least at first, because they're so amazing and magical looking. (They ARE magic mushrooms! haha). But they can actually get contams (especially including Pseudomonas) from what even healthy humans have on their hands on a day to day basis. --Clean grows start with clean spawn. Clean spawn starts with clean agar. Clean agar starts with learning to pour agar and learning to transfer good mycelium away from contaminated plates to new clean plates. My modified "water agar" germ plates tip is good. It is here with all my agar tips. "It doesn't matter what I think of you...all that matters is clean spawn" -cronicr --Plantronix Coco Bliss is good coir for growing shrooms. Nature's Premium brand coir is also good. Some coir for flowers and other non-food plants has ADDED green mold (Trichoderma harzianum, aka Trich) that's good for plants (out competes worse contams on non-food plants) but ruins shroom grows. (Be sure to pour boiling water on your coir and let it sit in a closed container before use though, just to kill any naturally occurring contams.) --Shrooms won't appear until the entire box is white with mycelium. That's how it works, and the sooner you know that the sooner you won't worry "Where are my shrooms? Wait at least two weeks after sending to a box before wondering why you don't see pins yet. The mycelium has to eat all the nutrients in the substrate first, then throws up fruits. That's how this works. --Use a VPN. A good one. Free or very cheap ones are probably honeypots. If you're not using a VPN, your ISP knows you're on the Shroomery a lot. Use Brave Browser, in Incognito mode, and use duckduckgo.com for searches, not Google. Also consider using a dedicated computer just for this hobby, run it on Linux, encrypt it when you put Linux on, and keep it updated. Make the password 14 characters or more, and something you'll remember but that no one would guess. Nothing to do with you or your hobbies. Don't use that computer for Facebook, Instagram, etc. Never log in there with a gmail address. Make a separate email address just for this hobby. I bought a used, older Windows laptop for 100 bucks. Wiped drive with DBAN. Installed a light version of Linux, those run fine on older computers. You can also set up a 3-key combination to shut off the computer fast if you need to. You can do all this free with Dual Boot on your current computer if you can't afford a dedicated extra 100 dollar used laptop. (Advanced): You can add an auto kill switch to keep from showing your IP to your ISP if your VPN falls off, as they do. --Don't take grow advice from Reddit. It's a fun place for some to post and be hyper, but there is so much wrong advice there it's crazy. I've seen people tell someone "That grow is contamed" when it's not, and seen people throw out a great grow. That would get someone banned for life here, and that's a good thing. "Reddit shroom subs: where you get yelled at for being a gatekeeper if you suggest using agar." Reddit will give 5 upvotes to proper advice, 50 upvotes to wrong advice, and 500 upvotes to a shroom that looks like a butt. --Don't use a user name that connects to you. If you like model trains, don't use "ModelTrainShroomer" as your user name. And don't use your user name here anywhere else on the Internet. The guy who ran the Silk Road is in prison for life because he did that. On this post right here, he used that same user name "altoid" on another website where he used his real name email. Smart people can do dumb things. --Grow in shoeboxes (small plastic totes) until you get good at growing, before you grow a big tub. That way if you get a contam, you can throw out one instead of losing it all. Better to grow 4 shoeboxes than one monotub with same amount at first. "Don't put all your eggs in one basket." --Don't give grow advice on here until you've grown some solid shoeboxes, and have done the thing you're giving advice on. It looks bad. I did it on here early on. It will get you shouted down on here, and it should. Read this post by admin Pasty on the topic. --Don't use a photo of someone else's grow or agar or anything like that for your avatar photo. That's basically considered "Stolen Valor" --If you have a question about a grow UPLOAD A PHOTO. A good one. Or several, from different angles, if it makes it easier to diagnose. The photo needs to be clear, not blurry, and not tiny. The color should match reality. If it doesn't, if your camera / phone / room lighting changed the color, do a web search for "white balance (make and model of your camera)." Don't add any software filters. Or you can white balance your photo after you take it using Photoshop or other photo editing program. (If you're on Linux, GIMP is a free alternative to Photoshop.) Don't take a photo of a Petri dish on a non-solid background. I can't count the times someone here has photographed a plate sitting on a mottled tablecloth and we can't see what's contam and what's decoration / pattern. --If you have trouble taking photos of the contents of a Petri dish (plate), your camera is probably auto-focusing on the outside top of the plate, not the inside agar surface like you want. Turn off auto-focus on your phone / camera and move your phone / camera up and down until the surface of the agar is in focus. Read taking better Petri dish and shroom grow photos. Take several photos and pick the best one. Web search "turn off auto focus (make/model of your phone / camera)" if you don't know how. Turn auto-focus back on when you're done, if you use auto-focus regularly. --Don't upload photos to another site (like imgur.com) and link here, don't make us download anything. Instead, you should host and embed the photo here. Pic tek here if you can't figure it out. If you get an error uploading that says "work being done on the site, try back later.", just refresh the page and try again. If that doesn't work, try again in a few minutes. --Don't delete your old photos on here, even if they aren't good and you get a lot better. They're useful to show progress. And mainly, this site is full of old threads that reference pix that are now missing. It's frustrating for people to see that. --Show your mistakes as well as your victories on here, the mistakes help others, if you explain what happened. --Listen more than talk at first. I say this because I did it wrong here at first. --Don't experiment with new things until you can grow with a known modern tek from here and do it right a few times. Reddit is full of people who haven't even grown a decent shoebox trying "experiments" with no control, not using clones, not showing results, and people get mad and down vote you if you point that out. IT'S NOT AN EXPERIMENT IF YOU DON'T SHOW THE RESULTS. --One of the easiest ways to clone is to clone a plin (plate pin.) Plins tend to grow 6 weeks or more after a sealed plate is inoculated. (I seal plates with grafting tape.) Plins are good clone material because they're a strong shroom that grew earlier than other shrooms under less than ideal conditions. And they're usually not contaminated. Before a plin drops spores, cut it off above the base and push it into agar in a new plate with a sterilized scalpel. I've had very good luck doing this, got a very potent x7x clone this way. I coined the term plin, here. Plin pushed into a fresh plate --Coffee and gypsum have no place in this hobby. Those are old tek adopted from growing flowers. They hurt, not help, growing shrooms. You also don't have to keep air flow off tubs and shoeboxes before colonization is done. That's old, wrong tek. Don't take your grow instructions from old books, even if they're by "psychedelic pioneers." Take your teks from Trusted Cultivators and other kick-ass growers on Shroomery.org. And don't add fertilizer, you'll just grow contams. All you need is grain. Almost any grain will work. Should be whole grains with no antifungals added. I use WBS (wild bird seed), which is a mix of Milo, White Proso Millet, Wheat, Sunflower Seeds. It's inexpensive. Rice sucks. Corn sucks, but a few people have success with it. Most people here use oats, bird seed, or rye or wheat. Prep info here. --You don't need cow poo or horse poo. Shrooms grow well on them, but they complicate things, smell unless composted, attract insects, are hard to get right, and can add e coli bacteria to your final result, which is dangerous to eat. Shrooms grow great on grain. Just grain. Horse poo and cow poo are just digested grain anyway. --You don't need to automate anything beyond maybe adding a fan on a timer, and in the winter, a small heater, to heat the closet if you live somewhere cold. Don't directly heat the grows. Don't set a shoebox or a jar on a heating pad. That can get way too much heat on one spot. Grows contams. Instead, heat the air around it. I use a dedicated closet with a heater and a fan plugged into a thermostat designed for heaters. I don't recommend above 70 f (22 c), at least at first. Above that is diminishing returns, plus increase chance of contam, unless you're very good at all the teks involved. If it's warm enough for you, it's warm enough for shrooms, at all phases of growth. Don't blow the heater's heat ONTO the grows, blow away, so you heat the room, not the boxes. If you blow heat on them, you can get side shrooms and bottom shrooms: If you're running a heater, put a layer of cardboard under your shoeboxes so they're not touching the shelf, so you don't heat the bottom of them. That will make bottom pins, which you don't want. Use a liner in shoeboxes. (Here's what happens if you don't.) Use an unscented garbage bag, double ply, line the shoebox with it and ladle your mixed verm/coir/spawn into it. That will also keep you from getting side pins / bottom pins. That's not about keeping out light, it's about keeping little pockets of perfect condition for pins from forming. I also have 2 smoke detectors in the closet, just to make sure. --Make sure you have a PC (pressure cooker) with a gauge. I recommend minimum the Presto 17 quart, you can do 7 one-quart jars at once. That's the one I use, and it's good. This hobby can sort of be done without a PC, but once you have one (with a gauge) you'll wish you'd gotten it much sooner. (If you ever have a problem with your PC where pressure won't rise when heated with the stopcock on, read this.) --Learn to dial in field capacity and FAE (fresh air exchange) so you don't have to fan and mist constantly. Regarding fiddling about with shroom grows too much: "Don't love them to death." -LotKid --Get a food dehydrator. Mine cost 40 bucks and I've been running it non-stop lately. No they don't kill potency. In fact, you're far more likely to lose shrooms to mold or bacteria if you don't dry them to cracker dry. Cracker dry stored with silica gel in a cool, dry place can last a decade or more. Dehydrate shrooms for 24 hours on high. I do mine at 180 F (don't go higher than that, and 165 F will work). They'll seem dry in 8 hours, but it can't hurt to do longer, and can only help. --Fillet your shrooms. Twist when you harvest. Don't cut, that leaves stumps that rot. Don't pull, that removes too much mycelium. Twist, then cut off the bottom end before you dry them. That stuff has a lot of coir and verm on it. It's gross to eat, and it cuts down the amount you're really getting when you weigh it. If you fillet and then dry for 24 hours, 2 grams really fucking is 2 grams. And don't save the shit you fillet off. Shrooms aren't that precious. Get good at this and you'll grow more in few months than you can eat in years. Trash from filleting the bottoms off a bunch of shrooms: Also: Vacuum packing mushrooms / long term storage / discussion. If you vacuum pack, you don't need to add silica gel. If you live in a dry place you probably also don't need silica gel, even if you store cracker dry shrooms in a mason jar. Don't grind shrooms before storing. Increasing surface area increases speed of loss of potency. --If you grow some shrooms, take spore prints so you'll more spores of that variety, and so you can share spores. Then later, learn to take clones. Take spore prints using the wire cookie cooling tray method so gills don't touch foil. --If shrooms don't work for you, are you on SSRIs (like Zoloft, Prozac, Lexapro, Paxil, etc. Full list here.)? They make psychedelics not work well. I call them "anti-shrooms." If you are not on SSRIs, and you don't get high on psychedelics that get your friends high, then you are rare. --If you're picking wild shrooms, you should first know about Wood-Lovers Paralysis. I avoid woodlovers and only take species (like cubes) that I grow, that grow on grain (or horse / cow poo in the wild). Though a lot of people on here pick and eat woodlovers with no problems. I just don't want to chance it when I can grow so many cubes. Some shrooms I grew looking metallic black even on top after dropping a lot of spores overnight. --If your shrooms are all the way open and ]turn black overnight, it's not mold, it's spores. They drop in a cloud, from the gills on the bottom of the cap, it can even stain the top of the cap. People usually harvest before it gets to that point, but sometimes I let them do that, ends up with heaviest shroom weight, and no reduction in potency (despite rumors to the contrast). Trade off is spores don't taste good and they're messy, but shrooms don't taste very good anyway. Plus shrooms look great open. Top pic in this post is a grow I let open. You can see spore darkening on the top of the caps. --It's worth saying for a second time: don't take huge doses of shrooms your first few times. And don't take drugs in combination with MAOIs until you've done them a bunch without. The good thing about shrooms compared to LSD is they don't last forever. Until you get comfortable with shrooms, you don't want to take something to amp them up AND make them last what seems like forever. Also I wouldn't recommend taking large or even medium doses in public until you've gotten comfortable with that at home. The world has become a chaotic place the past few years. --USE THE ADVANCED SEARCH! I recommend using advanced search for any question you have, THEN if you don't find the answer, post a question. If you burn out all your goodwill asking a question for everything early on, when you could just search it, people won't want to help you when you get really stumped by something. Save it for things you can't find on the Advanced Search. Here's how to use the advanced search. Especially note the part about limiting searches to the past 4 or 5 years for most up-to-date stuff. Things change over time here. All of this is evolving from people sharing what works. There are a few exceptions with limiting search to last 5 years. There are threads started years ago to post photos that are still running today, you will get that warning. If a TC (Trusted Cultivator) has posted something other than "this thread is old and no good" recently, you can ignore the warning for the recent posts on that thread. (That warning was my idea, so if it bugs you, you can blame me.) What worked 20 or even 10 years ago can be very wrong now for best practices. --Take advice on here only from people who have posted pix of their own grows and who grow fat tubs of shrooms like you want to grow. Also, people with a lot of general ratings are probably helpful and knowledgeable, though some have a lot from just being funny, but not for growing. If someone has a lot of ratings and some trade ratings, they probably know what they're doing. For ratings, mouse over or click on the little shrooms under someone's name to the left of their post. --Rate people who are helpful to you. It's a way to help others know who is helpful and knows what they're doing. Hint: "a lot of ratings" on here is a much lower number than on Reddit, Facebook, or Instagram. Most people here don't even know there's a rating system. Same with the fact that there is a "like" or "upvote" button on each post. Hint: it looks like a plus sign, and it's small. A grow tek on here with 20 likes is probably amazing. --Once you get the basics down, don't do anything with MS (multi-spore) grows and call it an "experiment." There is so much variety in MS that it isn't scientific at all to change one aspect of the grow and think it's going to produce useful data. To do a useful experiment, you need to, at bare minimum, use the same clone sector for the thing you're trying and for the control. - Here is what I wish I'd done from day 1. I didn't do some of this until much later, and it set me back: --Use ISO (isopropyl alcohol) in a spray bottle when doing spore / agar work. For some dumb reason (fear of fire?) I used soapy water at first. Not good. Label your spray bottle different than your water spray bottle for misting shrooms! --Do NOT use bleach or hydrogen peroxide for anything in this hobby. They're not needed, and either can mix with alcohol to form toxic fumes, and can explode when mixed. --Get a small butane brazing torch. Much better and quicker for flaming scalpel sterile than an alcohol lamp. (Do NOT use it in the SAB, and keep it away from your ISO. Can start a fire, especially inside the SAB). Alcohol kills most germs. A butane flame vaporizes all germs. You don't need to get the most expensive torch, but don't get the cheapest one. It's highly compressed highly flammable gas. Don't cheap out on that. I spent 25 dollars on mine. Make sure the refills you get have the right nozzle to fill yours. There are short and long nozzles. --Use .2 or .3 micron hole synthetic filters stuck on 3/8" holes in quart jars, silicon around edges, then SCREW LIDS DOWN TIGHT before putting in the PC. There are small rubber mat things that help you tighten and loosen lids.) For some reason, I thought lids were supposed to be loose in PC (probably from reading an old PF tek). I know that can technically work with unmodded lids, but not as reliably, at least for me. Tighten them down. They won't blow up, pressure will equalize through the synthetic filter over the lid hole. Good post on recognizing contam in jars and tubs even when you can't see it. --Don't use brown rice. Use a better grain. People have grown good mushrooms here using rye, wheat, oats, corn, millet, and other grains. Make sure you use whole grain with no added fungicides. Prep your grain according to a respected tek here that's particular to your grain. Most grains need washing and soaking overnight. Some need to be heated. Not WBS. I wash and strain it 5 times, soak overnight for 12 to 18 hours, then strain again, dry a bit on a window screen in a frame, then PC for two hours after reaching 15 PSI. --To properly use a PC, put in your jars, put in a few inches of water in the bottom, put the lid on, but not the stopcock. Put the PC on high, and let steam shoot out 10 minutes before putting on the stopcock. Read my post Shootin' Steam for Clean Grain. Put the stopcock on with tongs so you don't burn yourself. Let the pressure on the gauge go up to at least 15 PSI then turn the heat down to about 1/3. Learn to get it to stay between 15 and 20 PSI (not higher). Let jars PC at 15 PSI or higher for 2 hours. 15 to 30 min longer if you're at a high altitude. For every 1,000 feet above 2,000-foot elevation, increase cooking time by 5 percent. For agar mix, PC at 25 minutes, adding more for altitude as above. Don't open the PC until pressure hits zero on the gauge. Here is a good thread with a bunch of people posting "Whats some advice you would give to yourself as a noob?" --If you've got money, skip using an SAB and buy / build a laminar flow hood. (About 400 to 1000 dollars.) That's laboratory level perfection. I have one and love it. It replaces the SAB in a very clean way. Once you get one, you'll wonder how you ever used an SAB before. But an SAB will work, if you're careful. --A tip about growing: --You don't need separate "fruiting conditions" with your grow tub. That's old tek. More in my reply on this post, starting with the line "Are you talking about separate fruiting conditions form growing conditions..." Stay mostly on the sections of this site "Mushroom Cultivation" and "The Psychedelic Experience" if you want to learn this craft. Some places on here are pretty rough are not really moderated, like the Pub, and OTD (Off-Topic Discussion). Trolls galore. People are sometimes jerks anywhere on the site, but it's basically allowed on those two places. But it does show up on grow forums sometimes. The "Ignore" function is good. Makes the idiots vanish when you're logged in. No one (except moderators and admins) can see who you block or how many people you block. Click on any user's name, then click on the link at the bottom of the page that says "Ignore this user." I don't just put Jerks on ignore, I use it for people who just talk a lot and never add anything to the conversation. Makes it easier to navigate this site while being a busy person outside of shrooms. Shroomery isn't really social media. At its heart, it's a library. Shroomery is important because, more than anything else, this site democratizes self-access to powerful psychedelics. --Liquid Culture. Don't do it until you master clean agar plates. Never add spores to LC broth. Always grow spores or clone first on agar, make sure it's clean, then send a TINY piece to the LC. LC can be a great way to grow a lot of shrooms fast, but it's also a great way to grow a lot of mold and bacteria fast. Once you do it, I recommend starting with just 4 grams dextrose in 100 ml distilled water, PCed for 25 min, cool to room temp before nocing. It's not the best LC, but it's very clear, which is good the first few times so you can really see if you're growing contam or not. Good LC looks a lot like sperm in water. haha. Test your LC on agar for contams before running on grain. You can sometimes tell bad LC by looking at it, but you can't always tell good LC by looking at it. --(Advanced), F1, F2, F3, etc....stabilizing a pheno (also explanation of transfer generations, T1, T2, T3) --GIVE BACK AND PAY IT FORWARD. Once you grow some shrooms, and can make spore prints or swabs, put one to a plate to make sure it's not contaminated, then do a giveaway. Be cautious about using your real name or return address. I even wear gloves when perparing envelopes so there are no fingerprints on the print foil, envelope or stamp, even though prints are legal in most places. When doing a giveaway on the Marketplace, delete recipient address after sending spores. There's no reason you should save those. Send giveaway spores out promptly (within a week, hopefully less). Mark the giveaway as CLOSED in the subject line when all are taken, and post on the giveaway thread when they go out in the mail. If someone asks on the giveaway for spores but doesn't send their address by the time you mail them out, forget them and give the spores to someone else. There's no reason they can't send you the address at the same time they request them on the thread, and there are other people who want them who will send an address. If you ask for spores on a giveaway, send the person your address immediately, using a self-destructing read-and-burn privenote or alternative. -You can store spores and cultures for later use in a refrigerator. Some people get a small dedicated "dorm fridge" for this. Welcome. This hobby is an amazing combination of science, gardening, kitchen craft, spycraft (encrypted laptop and VPN, and best of all, drugs. Enjoy. #BulkGrowForTheWin Oh, The more you grow, the more you'll figure this out: WE WORK FOR THE SHROOMS. THEY WANT TO SPREAD. SHROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMM - Edited by nektar61 (12/05/23 08:32 PM)
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Registered: 10/24/21 Posts: 591 Loc: 🍄 Last seen: 2 months, 14 days |
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solid stuff! could have saved me 10 years on shroomery :P
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Into SporePlay Registered: 07/04/20 Posts: 3,241 Loc: Cube Satellite Last seen: 8 days, 1 hour |
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Thank you. Glad to be able to help.
This would have saved me nearly a year if I'd had it a 2 and a half years ago.
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Newly enrolled Registered: 11/30/22 Posts: 180 Last seen: 4 days, 16 hours |
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Absolutely amazing and informative post. I will definitely be referring back to this in the next week or 2 when im able to start. Very much thank you for taking the time to make this post. Very cool of you. 👍✌
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Registered: 10/10/22 Posts: 73 Last seen: 5 months, 13 days |
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I agree. This information is pure gold. I love the flow hood link, stuff about coco coir, and privnote. I will try my hardest not to touch my mushrooms or cultures.
![]() You've earned a good rating from me!
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Into SporePlay Registered: 07/04/20 Posts: 3,241 Loc: Cube Satellite Last seen: 8 days, 1 hour |
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Quote: It's hard, especially at first. They're so cute you'll want to pet them. If you must, wait until you harvest them.
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Stranger... Than You Think Registered: 09/02/22 Posts: 782 Loc: BC, Mexico Last seen: 18 hours, 15 minutes |
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This should be required reading before you get to do anything here. All very solid advice.
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Into SporePlay Registered: 07/04/20 Posts: 3,241 Loc: Cube Satellite Last seen: 8 days, 1 hour |
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Quote: Thanks. There's an FAQ in the "Getting Started" section, published by Shroomery, somewhere on this site that lists this page on a list of about 20 links to resources for new growers. I can't find that page by searching the name of this article (though it's a great page of links) because after this article was put there I changed the title and can't remember the stupid original title I used. This page was originally called something like "for those of you who are new" or maybe something even less useful. But I didn't read the pages linked on that page until I'd been here a year. And I'm unfortunately, I'm not sure a lot of people do read that stuff when they're new.
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Newly enrolled Registered: 11/30/22 Posts: 180 Last seen: 4 days, 16 hours |
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I feel im might have been reading too much info being new trying to absorb too much too fast. But idk if i can bc i can always refer back 🙃 ive just had to wait for my funds (which ill have next weekend) before i can make my purchases and start. I want to go into it with enough info to be successful first try and hopefully i have. Then i can hone the craft. So it might have been a good thing i didnt have my money earlier or i might have made spontaneous purchases and went into it more blind than one should
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Into SporePlay Registered: 07/04/20 Posts: 3,241 Loc: Cube Satellite Last seen: 8 days, 1 hour |
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Quote: Sounds right. The amount of info here can be overwhelming. What tek are you going to follow, and if you want to make a list here of what you bought, or DM it to me, I'd be happy to look at it. I bought a lot of stuff early on that I ended up not using or needing. There's actually a thread about that someone started, lol: Name an item you bought, thought was important, then realized it wasn't My list on there: Glass Petri dishes. Gypsum. Brown rice. Antibiotics. Hydrogen peroxide. Alcohol lamp. Heater pad to put under shoebox to "speed up growth." It sped up growth...of mold. Edited by nektar61 (12/11/22 04:33 PM)
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Newly enrolled Registered: 11/30/22 Posts: 180 Last seen: 4 days, 16 hours |
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Lmao sped up growth...of mold. I heard that. And actually i havent made any purchases yet and wont have money to for one more week. Im ready to get started lol. Im gonna go PFtek to start out and plan to get 3or4 spore syringes from a couple different vendors just incase one isnt as good as their competitors and BRF and verm and have 1/2pint jars. I have everything else needed i think. Ill get agar too so i can learn in time while PFtek cakes do their thing. Hoping its all gonna work out with not too many hiccups, so im staying humble throughout learning and my approach. Ill have to DM ya when or maybe right before i make my purchases next weekend just to reiterate it all for sureness. Most appreciated you offering, ill definitely take any help along the path. Bc im coming in with no experience (just my common sense haha) and alot of hope.
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Into SporePlay Registered: 07/04/20 Posts: 3,241 Loc: Cube Satellite Last seen: 8 days, 1 hour |
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all good.
I can answer agar questions for you. But I've never done PF tek so can't answer info on it. I'd ask questions for that on the "Cultivation General Questions" thread, https://www.shroomery.org/forum If people still use gypsum on PF tek, do know that you don't need to use gypsum with regular bulk grows (shoeboxes and monotubs, though I'd start that with shoeboxes, not bigger tubs)
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Newly enrolled Registered: 11/30/22 Posts: 180 Last seen: 4 days, 16 hours |
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Yeah ive read here numerous times too "start with agar tbh." And im sure that holds true and ill say it in the future. I think PFtek will teach me the basics basically haha. Its a touch easier to understand (for me and my limited knowledge thus far) than agar too. Was kinda hoping things click more when i get hands-on. Making and and using prints and all the basics and stuff. Ill definitely have agar questions soon tho 😃
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Into SporePlay Registered: 07/04/20 Posts: 3,241 Loc: Cube Satellite Last seen: 8 days, 1 hour |
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Quote: Nothing wrong with starting with PF. If it makes more sense to you do it. But when you get shrooms, read up here on taking spore prints, and take some. You can use those prints with agar, without having to buy more spores. You can send a drop of spore syringe to agar in a pinch, but you'll probably have to transfer away from contam. You have to do that anyway usually with a spore print, but spore syringes are notorious for being filthy. I recommend buying from the advertisers here, it helps the site, but also, they're vetted as good and not fly-by-night.
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Newly enrolled Registered: 11/30/22 Posts: 180 Last seen: 4 days, 16 hours |
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Awesome, see little info like that helps me more than realized im almost sure. I wanna keep my thanks short here so not to take away from your original journal post, wbich is near about an everything ya need to know post as well
you're a huge help
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Into SporePlay Registered: 07/04/20 Posts: 3,241 Loc: Cube Satellite Last seen: 8 days, 1 hour |
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Quote: I'm 100% fine with you posting here, even asking questions if you can't get an answer quick somewhere else. I don't mind if this becomes a long thread. Sometimes it's nice to have a chat in public but not where 20 other people are cross talking about different things. I'm fine if polite people consider this thread a quiet table in a public coffee house to talk shroom stuff, or whatever. Main threads have gotten a bit dicey lately as tons of new people are coming in here, don't really get the vibe, and act like this is Reddit. I think from casual observation that more new people have become active here in the past couple months than did in 6 months, two years ago.
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Newly enrolled Registered: 11/30/22 Posts: 180 Last seen: 4 days, 16 hours |
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Thanks alot for real, ill be around and probably become a familiar face. Im new myself but aftet LOTS of research reading threads and actually speaking with humble ones ad yourself i think i got the vibe haha i was too excited day 1 and 2 here but have since fixed the dumb shit i did or said i think 😬 unfortunately i think more than not will continue to make it be like you just said. Idk shit but hopefully some will run across this and understand a little better. I appreciate you and your patience with me for sure 🙏😃
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Stranger Registered: 11/16/22 Posts: 16 Last seen: 1 month, 4 days |
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Very helpful. Noob here. Thank you
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Stranger Registered: 11/16/22 Posts: 16 Last seen: 1 month, 4 days |
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Thank you
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Stranger Registered: 11/16/22 Posts: 16 Last seen: 1 month, 4 days |
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Thanks
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you're a huge help
