B Traven said:

LewDoja said:

It's kind of like how we dont process using our phones in dreams.

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Mwj12977 said:

B Traven said:

LewDoja said:

It's kind of like how we dont process using our phones in dreams.

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Holy shit! I never realized it but whenever  have a dream about my phone it doesn’t work!

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Churpee Choozle said:

* Which in itself is an ego thing they should rid themselves of, but that might take some shrooms, and the earlier they can produce those...

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B Traven said:

Getting stomped on and that turning you obstinate is an understandable psychological reaction. Now that I think about it, I have a pretty big confession to make. I lurked here for a long time before registering, and in those early days I argued and called people gatekeepers and said "it's fine, bro" 10,000 times- all in my head. It seemed like a bunch of people were being purist jerks about agar, so I convinced myself to squirt a bunch of quarts with spore solution and then run g2g's from them. And, of course, spawn them to an overly complex substrate. And it honestly worked out pretty well for while. So that was proof that I was right. Then it stopped working out so well, and I grew up and realized that I needed to learn agar. Then I learned a million things about agar, and stopped doing a bunch of dumb stuff related to my sterile technique, and finally started having reliable enough results that I could sleep at night. Then Covid hit, and I got bored, and finally got over my paranoia, and registered for an account. I could play it off and act like I was never that much of an annoying newb, because nobody saw it. But deep in my heart, I know better.

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Lilgrower said:

Yes!! When I help someone new, there is quite a bit of need to get some shrooms into this person as quickly as possible in my motivation. Even a little early success with a garbage AIO bag could spark a life changing event that gets them to a better place or gives them a little more of the drive and confidence they need to do better.

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B Traven said:

Anyway, vaguely relevant:

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KauaiOrca said:

Lilgrower said:

Yes!! When I help someone new, there is quite a bit of need to get some shrooms into this person as quickly as possible in my motivation. Even a little early success with a garbage AIO bag could spark a life changing event that gets them to a better place or gives them a little more of the drive and confidence they need to do better.

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My first attempt at growing was 17 years ago when I was living in Hawaii and I found this site and made some LC by shooting a vendor syringe into a LME broth formula I got here and then bought same bags with filters, got some horse poo, sterilized it in a PC. The LC looked good although I had nothing to guage it against but some pictures and I injected it into a few bags and it grew lots of fantastic fruits. I thought, "wow, this is so easy!"

Little did I know, after 10 more failed attempts to make LC that way, how lucky I was on that first grow. But for sure, early success really helps with motivation to learn more because I think if that first attempt had failed and then maybe a couple following attempts had failed, I might have just quit with the realization that this is not an easy thing at all to do and it takes someone with lab training to pull it off.

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B Traven said:

It can indeed get super aggravating answering the same questions and having the same arguments over and over.

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Mwj12977 said:

I notice a lot of diatribes completely ignore the OP’s actual question. The analogy I lean towards is “they just want to know how to change the oil, not rebuild the entire engine”

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Half-caffeinated thoughts follow. You've been warned.

I think there's two big sources of friction that really stick out to me these days:

1 - People don't fucking read. I don't know if they used to "back in the day" but everyone seems to absolutely hate reading in 2025. I have a side business where I make and sell a product that comes with some instructions. Despite the absolutely massive amount of effort I've put into written documentation, nobody cares. Everyone wants a fucking video

2 - Our goals as regulars around here are frequently different than the goals of new growers asking for help. Most of them want to just get high, not be wizards.

As a text based site the Shroomery is a little out of the mainstream with regards to how people generally expect things to function these days. I mean how many of these new people might not have even seen a real forum before? Text is king here (and it better not ever change) but we might as well be an alien civilization to some of the people that show up looking for help. One thing that will help people cut though all the new terminology and information is a solid "frequently asked questions" style post we can refer to and help maintain. I'm not keeping track but I feel like there's a metric shit ton of threads from people with <10 posts that are all asking the same things:

• my grow looks weird
  
• what strain should I use
  
• I'm a noob and my homemade LC only grows nasties
  
• the spores I put directly on grain all contaminated, what did I do wrong?
  
• I bought this heating mat/autotub/something else and it sucks
  
• whats the best bulk tek since pf-tek is for kiddies and I need YIELDS
  

When it comes to goals, like I said above a lot of these new growers just want to get high. My theory is that a lot of them resist pf-tek because they see it as a kiddie method that doesn't yield. Fighting UB and other bad teks is basically like every other misinformation battle and frankly I have no fucking idea what to do about that in general. I'm going to keep pushing new growers to pf-tek until they have the basics down

And the people that show up looking to "corner the market" or whatever will always be lost to us. Not that we shouldn't help or guide them but I'll never be surprised when they do what they were just looking for validation to do anyway.

Saxifrage said:

2 - Our goals as regulars around here are frequently different than the goals of new growers asking for help. Most of them want to just get high, not be wizards.

As a text based site the Shroomery is a little out of the mainstream with regards to how people generally expect things to function these days. I mean how many of these new people might not have even seen a real forum before? Text is king here (and it better not ever change) but we might as well be an alien civilization to some of the people that show up looking for help. One thing that will help people cut though all the new terminology and information is a solid "frequently asked questions" style post we can refer to and help maintain. I'm not keeping track but I feel like there's a metric shit ton of threads from people with <10 posts that are all asking the same thing.

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This is one of those rarely perfectly articulated points that once uttered actually makes me reconsider a position I previously had. You are really, really right. I forgot that feeling when I had zero shrooms and I was so desperate for even one tub to work out that all I was really focused on was on getting fucked up. I wanted to trip goddamn it!

Really well stated post, but this part in particular is