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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: fiddle_head] * 1
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fiddle_head said:
So the loose grains don't look sufficiently myceliated then. 22 days and a final shake 3 days before spawn. excellent recovery. The coir might have been a tad on the wet side, I hear semps are picker about that.
I started more from ms, I will be posting updates in the thread.
Thanks,
always a humbling experience developing a trained eye for something new.


I had two jars that were slightly bacterial. The tub where the spawn didn't get an extra shake and consolidation at 100%, contaminated on me. Might just be that the second spawn was cleaner though


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: fiddle_head] * 1
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Also, did the grain turn blue after shaking at all?

All my semp jars turn dark dark blue shortly after shaking.

Not sure if this is the consensus...




A couple days after, recovering

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: LewDoja]
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Mine did not. Interesting


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: LewDoja]
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When mine went blue after the shake I thought I had severe contamination. I’m glad I didn’t toss it. They are colonizing coir as  I type.

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: The Tao]
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The Tao said:
Melgo got his genetics from alaskappalachian, the trail goes cold after that.
I have extra prints from January if interested.


alaskappalachian told me he got his original print from Riverbum or Nosf3ratu.

Riverbum came back recently on the board and answered my PM saying:
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[...] I do not recall sending a print to alaskappalachian but I may have. I received my print from Captain Future back in 2018 [...]


And I'm like Riverbum, I don't remember to whom I've sent Semperviva prints (too many sent). As for Nosf3ratu, no answer from him still (he isn't active, atm let's say).

In the end, I'd say the origins of the print I inherited are 95% Captain Future (can't be 100% sure...).

On some discord channel, they call this lineage "HVC" for "P. hoogshagenii var. convexa" to identify it from the newer ones (HVC Sporeworks link.)


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: fiddle_head]
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fiddle_head said:
So tl;dr I ran 3 distinct semp lineages and all failed. Growth was fluffy and even as expected, if not a tad rapid. For now I have gone back to spore, but mojave pointed out that these jars were displaying some "climbers" or climbing tendency on the walls of the jar above the grains.. it was very minimal so i didn't pay attention to it. this is just one example. so, i am still developing my eye for exotics spawn and semp plates.



Hey Fid! How long do you pasteurize your sub for?

After I came back from my cult break due to house renovation, everything pasteurized failed on me like you describe (the sterile stuff had no issues). My standard 2 hours pasteurization didn't work anymore. I upped the pasteurization to 5 and a half hours: failed as well. Now I'm at 9 and a half hours of 100% coir or CV pasteurization time, and things are back on track.

IDK WTF happened in my house during the ~5 months break... :shrug:


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Melgo]
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Melgo said:
fiddle_head said:
So tl;dr I ran 3 distinct semp lineages and all failed. Growth was fluffy and even as expected, if not a tad rapid. For now I have gone back to spore, but mojave pointed out that these jars were displaying some "climbers" or climbing tendency on the walls of the jar above the grains.. it was very minimal so i didn't pay attention to it. this is just one example. so, i am still developing my eye for exotics spawn and semp plates.



Hey Fid! How long do you pasteurize your sub for?

After I came back from my cult break due to house renovation, everything pasteurized failed on me like you describe (the sterile stuff had no issues). My standard 2 hours pasteurization didn't work anymore. I upped the pasteurization to 5 and a half hours: failed as well. Now I'm at 9 and a half hours of 100% coir or CV pasteurization time, and things are back on track.

IDK WTF happened in my house during the ~5 months break... :shrug:


But cooking for too long starts sterilization which is much higher contamination risk.


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] * 1
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Blueberry Muffin said:
fiddle_head said:
So the loose grains don't look sufficiently myceliated then. 22 days and a final shake 3 days before spawn. excellent recovery. The coir might have been a tad on the wet side, I hear semps are picker about that.
I started more from ms, I will be posting updates in the thread.
Thanks,
always a humbling experience developing a trained eye for something new.



I had two jars that were slightly bacterial. The tub where the spawn didn't get an extra shake and consolidation at 100%, contaminated on me. Might just be that the second spawn was cleaner though


I am looking over my notes and it appears I shook one of Rockin's at 100% +recovery. The other two I might have as well to be honest. The shoeboxes were spawned individually with 2 Rockin' and 1 faht.

LewDoja said:
Also, did the grain turn blue after shaking at all?

All my semp jars turn dark dark blue shortly after shaking.

Not sure if this is the consensus...



A couple days after, recovering



Thanks Lew. Yeah I never saw any blueing in vitro or otherwise. I will definitely keep an eye out. I'm gonna be glued to this thread for a little while tbh

@Melgo
Hey Melgo good to hear from you buddy
I pasteurized straight CV at 2.5hrs, which I thought was just the most overkill while I was doing it, but now I'm really not so sure if that's the case, ya know?

I smell sabotage. Don't worry I got your six.


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu]
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What I think I'll do is run 3 dubs/fahts. 1 semperviva @4.5hr and another sterilized for 2...as well as some sort of cube right next to them, as per your suggestions.


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: LewDoja]
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LewDoja said:
Also, did the grain turn blue after shaking at all?

All my semp jars turn dark dark blue shortly after shaking.

Not sure if this is the consensus...



For what it's worth I spawned a few jars last week, got distracted afterwards and ended up leaving the empty jars sitting on my counter for the weekend before cleaning them. I didn't notice any bluing after shaking, but the myc stuck to the lid of the old jars was definitely stained blue.

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: vicepope]
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When you guys pasteurize are you letting the sub sit for a few days after so the microbes can repopulate it?? I never do but that would prob help.


vicepope said:
Melgo said:
fiddle_head said:
So tl;dr I ran 3 distinct semp lineages and all failed. Growth was fluffy and even as expected, if not a tad rapid. For now I have gone back to spore, but mojave pointed out that these jars were displaying some "climbers" or climbing tendency on the walls of the jar above the grains.. it was very minimal so i didn't pay attention to it. this is just one example. so, i am still developing my eye for exotics spawn and semp plates.



Hey Fid! How long do you pasteurize your sub for?

After I came back from my cult break due to house renovation, everything pasteurized failed on me like you describe (the sterile stuff had no issues). My standard 2 hours pasteurization didn't work anymore. I upped the pasteurization to 5 and a half hours: failed as well. Now I'm at 9 and a half hours of 100% coir or CV pasteurization time, and things are back on track.

IDK WTF happened in my house during the ~5 months break... :shrug:


But cooking for too long starts sterilization which is much higher contamination risk.



It’ll only be a problem if the temperature gets too high, which shouldn’t happen anyway during pasteurization


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a] * 1
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Why all this talk of pasteurization? Who bothers pasteurizing sub for Semps. Semps just need bucket tek coir. Only the casing needs pasteurized.

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: RockinRobot]
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:whathesaid: I bucket tekked with boiling water to speed up the process


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Blueberry Muffin]
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Blueberry Muffin said:
:whathesaid: I bucket tekked with boiling water to speed up the process


Plain CV bucket tek?


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: fiddle_head] * 1
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fiddle_head said:
Blueberry Muffin said:
:whathesaid: I bucket tekked with boiling water to speed up the process


Plain CV bucket tek?


Plain coir only


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu]
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Interesting. That’s how I ran my last boxes. I’m still thinking the extra moisture was the main culprit, combined with unevenly myceliated grains. They could have been slightly bacterial but I was not able to tell them apart from axenic spawn by looking at them or smelling them. I know millet can produce a lot of variation in expression. Different cereal grains require different prep and levels of hydration, amendments etc. depending on what sp you choose. I suppose there’s a bit of a learning g curve with each grain before you’re truly able to “read” it visually. I give my grain an ocular pat down every couple days to ensure progress.
I am always hearing people say millet is sneaky. I tend to agree a lot of the time.


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: fiddle_head]
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fiddle_head said:
Interesting. That’s how I ran my last boxes. I’m still thinking the extra moisture was the main culprit, combined with unevenly myceliated grains. They could have been slightly bacterial but I was not able to tell them apart from axenic spawn by looking at them or smelling them. I know millet can produce a lot of variation in expression. Different cereal grains require different prep and levels of hydration, amendments etc. depending on what sp you choose. I suppose there’s a bit of a learning g curve with each grain before you’re truly able to “read” it visually. I give my grain an ocular pat down every couple days to ensure progress.
I am always hearing people say millet is sneaky. I tend to agree a lot of the time.


Good luck Fiddy, you've got this! I think dryish sub is the way to go and then keep it moist af when it starts pinning


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: fiddle_head]
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fiddle_head said:
Blueberry Muffin said:
:whathesaid: I bucket tekked with boiling water to speed up the process


Plain CV bucket tek?


Yes plain old Bucket Tek CV. However you do want it a little UNDER field capacity.

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu]
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Yes, I was told this. Nichrome and Mojave also advised me to run it dry so I will do so. I didn’t realize the excess moisture was that deterministic with semperviva.


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: MojaveMyc] * 3
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LewDoja said:
Also, did the grain turn blue after shaking at all?

All my semp jars turn dark dark blue shortly after shaking.

Not sure if this is the consensus...


Mine don't.

A.k.a said:
When you guys pasteurize are you letting the sub sit for a few days after so the microbes can repopulate it?? I never do but that would prob help.



I've done both and never noticed a difference.

RockinRobot said:
Why all this talk of pasteurization? Who bothers pasteurizing sub for Semps. Semps just need bucket tek coir. Only the casing needs pasteurized.


It could depend on the coir brand you get. I never managed to fruit anything with the bucket tek coir - but that was 8 years ago.
Maybe I could give it another try with the new brand I'm working with (I can't get Coco Bliss here).

fiddle_head said:
Yes, I was told this. Nichrome and Mojave also advised me to run it dry so I will do so. I didn’t realize the excess moisture was that deterministic with semperviva.


I confirm that it is. But then you have milkboy who comes in and rub our noses in it telling us that he doesn't adjust his coir and doesn't case and does bucket tek and gets great results (and good on him!) :rofl:

To me MojaveMyc summed it up the best:

MojaveMyc said:
They’ll put up with a lot. Just keep growing them until you find something that likes the way you do things


In your case fiddy, I'd extend pasteurization time and then squeeze the fuck out of your coir before spawning it.
And if you have resources and time I'd also try the bucket tek, and then squeeze the fuck out of your coir before spawning it.

We can see from this thread that there isn't just one sure way of growing Semp - so I prefer to say that "this hasn't worked for me" rather than "this doesn't work".


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