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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] * 8
    #27070187 - 12/03/20 02:41 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Just for clarification because it bothers me so much to see these misnomers being thrown around.

Is this thread meant to be focused on hoogshagenii or subtropicales? I ask becaus hoogshagenii var convexa and semperviva are old outdated names for the species called Psilocybe subtropicales. Subtropicales is not directly related to hoogshagenii. The iconic big nippled hoogshagenii is a separate species of which few have spores of. 


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Psilocybe hoogshagenii                            Psilocybe subtropicales


Having said that, It is my opinion that subtropicales is the best mushroom for cultivation after one gains experience with cubensis. It is better in every way, trust me and try it, but get your spores from a reputable source. I have 4 sets of subtropicales genetics and two of them are by far more aggressive at pinning and colonization than the others.

My preferred strategy with these is to set a petri dish(must be the ventilated type) with subtropicales myc aside for a few months to wait for a dish pin. Clone that dish pin and use it to nock up grain jars. It should do the trick for just about every type of fruiting chamber. Just be sure that the plate that has been set aside to pin has only had maybe 2 transfers from the original so to retain as many sets of genes as possible.

I have a flush coming up right now that should be ready for pics in a few weeks!(it's cold, so they are slow) I'll post 'em when they happen :smile:

Edit: Here's a pic of those pins. This specific culture seems to really like a plain Choir casing layer compared to peat:verm.




Edited by mycorry (12/03/20 04:13 PM)


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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: mushhead] * 1
    #27070227 - 12/03/20 03:24 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

:threadmonitor:


Quote:

smalltalk_canceled said:
More tubs pinning:



Fruits maturing:







"Which" is this? Semper, Hogshagenii subtropical?


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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: mushhead] * 3
    #27070334 - 12/03/20 04:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Great idea! I hope this thread takes off, this species doesn't get the attention it deserves. I am currently fruiting some in a mini mono, the pinset was pretty uneven but it is starting to fill out nicely :smile:

Also had to take a picture of this chunky fruit with a cool stripe


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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry] * 1
    #27070344 - 12/03/20 04:49 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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mycorry said:
... a separate species of which few have spores of.





:cool:


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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: bw86] * 1
    #27070351 - 12/03/20 04:51 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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jomanda1990 said:
Quote:

mycorry said:
The iconic big nippled hoogshagenii is a separate species of which few have spores of. 






Interesting, thanks for sharing this info.
The nippled hoogshageni supposedly grows down here in northern Argentina, in a province that I'm most likely going to visit next year. Other rare Psilocybe species mentioned found by Singer/Guzman in Tafi del Valle, Tucuman province (Argentina), were P. Zapotecorum, and P. collybioides, the latter of which I have found NO pictures except for this.

Would you happen to know the best time of the year to visit to find P. hoogshageni or these other species? If I get to these species and grow them I'll be sure to spread them prints like wildfire.



If you're able to find a good amount of fruits you could spread more than a few spore prints.
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bw86 said:
Quote:

mycorry said:
... a separate species of which few have spores of.





:cool:



P.Hoogshagenii and P. hoogshagenii var. convexa (Semperviva) are two different mushrooms.


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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Threa [Re: jomanda1990] * 1
    #27070546 - 12/03/20 06:49 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Smalltalk is growing Semperviva (Hoog. var. convexa AKA subtropicales)

Me too :smile:


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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Threa [Re: Yeetusdeetus] * 1
    #27070594 - 12/03/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Ahaaaaaaaaaaa

I guess when didn't see the wizard nipples I should have known

What should I call it when I describe it to others? P. Subtropicale ? Semperviva? Psilocybe Hogshagenii



Edit:

"P. Hogshagenii var convexa" also called "Semperviva"


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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry] * 1
    #27071072 - 12/04/20 01:47 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

mycorry said:
Just for clarification because it bothers me so much to see these misnomers being thrown around.

Is this thread meant to be focused on hoogshagenii or subtropicales? I ask becaus hoogshagenii var convexa and semperviva are old outdated names for the species called Psilocybe subtropicales. Subtropicales is not directly related to hoogshagenii. The iconic big nippled hoogshagenii is a separate species of which few have spores of. 


VS
Psilocybe hoogshagenii                            Psilocybe subtropicales


Having said that, It is my opinion that subtropicales is the best mushroom for cultivation after one gains experience with cubensis. It is better in every way, trust me and try it, but get your spores from a reputable source. I have 4 sets of subtropicales genetics and two of them are by far more aggressive at pinning and colonization than the others.

My preferred strategy with these is to set a petri dish(must be the ventilated type) with subtropicales myc aside for a few months to wait for a dish pin. Clone that dish pin and use it to nock up grain jars. It should do the trick for just about every type of fruiting chamber. Just be sure that the plate that has been set aside to pin has only had maybe 2 transfers from the original so to retain as many sets of genes as possible.

I have a flush coming up right now that should be ready for pics in a few weeks!(it's cold, so they are slow) I'll post 'em when they happen :smile:

Edit: Here's a pic of those pins. This specific culture seems to really like a plain Choir casing layer compared to peat:verm.







Made this thread before going to bed and woke up to 24 posts already 😊
Thank you mycorry for the clarification. That's exactly why I started this.
Seems like a wonderful species and has so much confusion around it that makes people stay away.
I've already edited the title of the thread and I want to edit the first post/introduction with info on the species that may help anyone interested to get started.
This ^ may take some time cuz I just found out I got funding to start a mushroom farm and my thoughts are all over the place now...


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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] * 1
    #27071108 - 12/04/20 02:24 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Here's my little project

I have 4 of those containers.
Sterilized substrate inoculated with agar wedge (strait from the inoculation plate)
1 part barley, 1 part manure, 1 part straw. (The same recipe I used for cubes).
I've used this approach with panaeolus and had 100% success rate. (Different substrate recipe)


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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry] * 1
    #27071298 - 12/04/20 06:51 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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mycorry said:







Wow those hoogshageni look funny :laugh: awesome

I have this thumbnail preview plugin that enlarges pics when hovering above them, its great. For anyone who doesnt have such a thing I recommend clicking on it and looking at it in large!


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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: mushhead] * 3
    #27072499 - 12/04/20 07:24 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Got one subtropicale print left now to request

Good clusters?



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Edited by smalltalk_canceled (12/05/20 08:15 AM)


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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: smalltalk_canceled] * 1
    #27072735 - 12/04/20 10:55 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

smalltalk_canceled said:
Got one Hogshagenii var convexa print left now to request

Good clusters?






I thought we had this sorted by now.
Semperviva = Psilocybe Subtropicales
Not Ps. Hoogshagenii var Convexa


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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Sankhara] * 1
    #27074352 - 12/05/20 10:56 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Got 1 shoebox and 3 tubs going currently









Looking forward to eat these guys

So far three caps failed to lay spores on fail, but three caps laid spores on paper



Sry for outside host, outta pictures space


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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: jomanda1990] * 2
    #27077831 - 12/07/20 08:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Mini mono update. These fruits mature very slowly but this first flush is almost done! Harvested 65 grams fresh a few days before this pic was taken. Looking forward to seeing the total yield

I should note that I have fruited these at temps as low as 68°F but this tub was fruited at 80° with similar results. Seems they are not too picky about temperature


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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: RiverBum] * 2
    #27077847 - 12/07/20 09:03 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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RiverBum said:





:incredible:
Wow!
Looks fantastic!
What substrate?
Any details on the monotub design, unmodified, holes of some sort? Curious how much FAE they need.


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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: RiverBum] * 1
    #27077864 - 12/07/20 09:17 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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RiverBum said:
Mini mono update. These fruits mature very slowly but this first flush is almost done! Harvested 65 grams fresh a few days before this pic was taken. Looking forward to seeing the total yield

I should note that I have fruited these at temps as low as 68°F but this tub was fruited at 80° with similar results. Seems they are not too picky about temperature




Jesus H. Christ, dude. You gotta do a write up.

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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: RiverBum] * 1
    #27077917 - 12/07/20 10:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

No way. Been waiting for this. I’ma go ahead and slide up in here with this shoebox I just cased day before yesterday.


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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: RiverBum] * 1
    #27078006 - 12/07/20 11:43 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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RiverBum said:
Mini mono update. These fruits mature very slowly but this first flush is almost done! Harvested 65 grams fresh a few days before this pic was taken. Looking forward to seeing the total yield

I should note that I have fruited these at temps as low as 68°F but this tub was fruited at 80° with similar results. Seems they are not too picky about temperature




Dude! Beautiful


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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] * 2
    #27083452 - 12/11/20 05:32 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)



Ready to print?


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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: smalltalk_canceled] * 1
    #27083697 - 12/11/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Ready to print?




Just wanna say those look awesome. If you end up eating any please report back on your experience! Y'all got me hyped for these.
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