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 BeefSupremeJr
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damn those are dense. brain melters.
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 Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer  [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
#28503792 - 10/13/23 09:02 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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BeefSupremeJr said:
damn those are dense. brain melters.
I spawned them to a h poo mixed casing
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BeefSupremeJr
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Be advised, I added "the rich mans guide to growing mushrooms" to the guide but not without plenty of snark and ruse.
I have several friends--medical professionals mostly--who want to cultivate but don't have the time for everything so I got them going this way.
Probably god hates them and I do too but they have clean spawn and boomers.
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ReverendMyc
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Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
#28506756 - 10/16/23 11:19 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Great post, Beef. Added to sig.
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Tiamo
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I guess God hates me, because I've taken some of those shortcuts.
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Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Tiamo] 2
#28506785 - 10/16/23 11:55 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Prolly
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BeefSupremeJr
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Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: ReverendMyc]
#28506806 - 10/16/23 12:13 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Great post, Beef. Added to sig.
thanks!
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BeefSupremeJr
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Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Tiamo] 1
#28506811 - 10/16/23 12:18 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Tiamo said:
I guess God hates me, because I've taken some of those shortcuts.
I don't blame anyone. for some of my friends its not a huge expense. I willj say though, they don't get the kind of canopies I do and they never fucking will!
I like to make a lot of fun of them any time they ask me question.
"Hey beef should i mist?"
"yeah man just put some of your perrier sparkling water in a your gold-plated spray bottle and have one of your servants give it a light mist"
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Tiamo
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Lmao. I make a good salary in tech but I am still a cheap ass that does not like to spend much more than necessary. I will say those LC that are sold are really good though.
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BeefSupremeJr
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Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Tiamo] 1
#28506826 - 10/16/23 12:31 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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good as in clean. not good as in genetics. they aint got SHIT on fahts.
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Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 3
#28506847 - 10/16/23 12:46 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Should be pinned for a simple starter thread.
This gif helped me a lot and might be a good add to the streak section you put
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BeefSupremeJr
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Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: MicroMycelium] 1
#28506851 - 10/16/23 12:51 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks man. I think this is bods file. Hes not around to ask but maybe ill just use it now and ask forgiveness later. thanks!
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Mycolorado
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C10 originally posted it if I recall.
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BeefSupremeJr
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Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Mycolorado]
#28506867 - 10/16/23 01:09 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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oh well in that case.. *yoink*
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Mycolorado
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It’s in his agar guide (and sig)…I’m sure he’d be happy for you to share the guide here. Not sure if it’s what you’re looking for on this thread but it’s extensive…
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24330957/fpart/all/vc/1
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BeefSupremeJr
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Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Mycolorado] 1
#28506988 - 10/16/23 02:43 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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i have read his tek and used most of it. thank you myco.
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Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
#28508908 - 10/18/23 12:24 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Nice write up. Always nice to have a quick start guide to direct new people too.
Comebackkids post on surface conditions would be a great addition to the spawning section. It helped me a lot that's for sure.
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Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Zakkery]
#28509191 - 10/18/23 08:56 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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OK, I’ve read this piece and its interesting, however, you directed me here for data, proof, that certain growing temps and conditions are better than others. Specifically, that 70F is superior to 80F when propagating mycelium.
If I understand your advice above, you don’t cover your tubs? Open air? How do you control humidity, which all the advice I’ve found suggests that 90-95% is optimal, or even necessary?
Embracing technology is no sin bro. Temp/Humidity/CO2 sensors and related controllers just make it simpler for all of us who can’t set up shop next to our grows. It is a great set it and monitor from afar solution. Those devices maintain parameters tightly. That may be why all the large commercial mushroom growers use automated regulation of environmental parameters.
I purchased a laminar flow hood from MIdwest, and it worked great. Fruiting tub and associated also. Rather than bemoan the aids that can lead to early success you should embrace them if you truly live by your opening statement that you want to spread the availability of this “medicine” to all.
Can you in fact direct me to the research data that you used to conclude that Stamet’s books are naught but paperweights? I am honestly trying to learn based on facts and data.
And thanks for taking the time to share what you know….
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Zakkery said:
Nice write up. Always nice to have a quick start guide to direct new people too.
Comebackkids post on surface conditions would be a great addition to the spawning section. It helped me a lot that's for sure.
it is there at the end of the BULK section sir. The SPAWN section is about creating clean spawn.
Edited by BeefSupremeJr (10/18/23 11:39 AM)
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Re: Hitchhikers Guide to the Shroomer [Re: Fidelus] 6
#28509310 - 10/18/23 11:02 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Mainet2r12 said:
OK, I’ve read this piece and its interesting, however, you directed me here for data, proof, that certain growing temps and conditions are better than others. Specifically, that 70F is superior to 80F when propagating mycelium.
Okay pardner, woah now. Im happy to answer your questions but I'm thinking you might be confused. I think it was stipe saying this. Higher temps are considered to be favorable growing conditions for bacteria. I don't think we can point you to one specific scientific article demonstrating this, its more the collective 20 year growing experience of this community. If there is bacteria present in your jar, higher growing temps will exacerbate the issue.
We've seen it happen over not hundreds but thousands of jars in our experience. The collective consensus and experience of this community is that lower 70's is the ideal range. Again, its based on time and volume.
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If I understand your advice above, you don’t cover your tubs? Open air? How do you control humidity, which all the advice I’ve found suggests that 90-95% is optimal, or even necessary?
Im not sure again where you would have seen me say that I don't cover my tubs. In the Hitchhikers guide, I posted the link to pasty's easy dialed monotub three times. It has a lid. Im not sure what you're saying here. The tub design regulates its own humidity. I've never made an argument that high humidity isn't ideal.
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Embracing technology is no sin bro. Temp/Humidity/CO2 sensors and related controllers just make it simpler for all of us who can’t set up shop next to our grows. It is a great set it and monitor from afar solution. Those devices maintain parameters tightly. That may be why all the large commercial mushroom growers use automated regulation of environmental parameters.
For sure I know about environmental controls. I've worked in horticulture and propagation for most of my life. I've engineered environmental controls for commercial scale horticulture and absolutely, i dream of someday building an environmental controlled cube for mushrooms. Spray insulated conex container with high pressure fogging system on a humidistat. Temp is easy to control with a thermostat and a cheap electric heat source.
That said, we have collectively found and observed that over-complicating small growing environments often leads to disaster. I have done it. I had an incubator for my jars using two massive tubs and fish tank heater. One of my earlier attempts at bulk growing involved an ultrasonic humidifier on a humidistat as well as cpu fans for fae. Commercial grade heat mats on aquastatic controllers. I tried to apply my experience as a commercial horticulturalist to small scale mycology, and the results were disastrous for various reasons.
Im not discouraging anyone from having fun or trying things, im simply trying to encourage people to walk the path of least resistance based on mine and the collective experience of this community.
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I purchased a laminar flow hood from MIdwest, and it worked great. Fruiting tub and associated also. Rather than bemoan the aids that can lead to early success you should embrace them if you truly live by your opening statement that you want to spread the availability of this “medicine” to all.
Again, nobody is discouraging the use of a technology. Im simply trying to help new hobbyists achieve early success by using methods we have found through decades of collective experience.
Flowhoods are great! Im in the market for one myself. They just aren't neccesary at an early stage. They're expensive. I am sure your "fruiting tub" is also great. Im not familiar with it and never bemoaned either of these at any given point. I simply endorse the inexpensive and tried and true methods of this community. The SAB and ez dial mono, shoebox, unmodded mono are staples of successful growing. If you look in my gallery, you'll see that I have fruited in all sorts of things including fishbowls and commercial propagation trays.
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Can you in fact direct me to the research data that you used to conclude that Stamet’s books are naught but paperweights? I am honestly trying to learn based on facts and data.
Okay, I do remember saying this part. I can tell you seem offended by the remark so I'll start by apologizing if I've offended you. I do have a degree of respect for Stamets knowledge as a mycologist, but I do not and will not consider him an authority on growing Cubensis mushrooms. He simply doesn't have the experience.
I can't point you to a scientific paper that illustrates my opinion per se. You got me there I guess. What I can say is that I've been around this place for 19 years and have witnessed trends come and go. I've seen and personally implemented Stamets and Roger rabbit's techniques put into action and I have personally experienced the results. For sure, these techniques will always "work".
It depends on what your idea of 'success' is. A lot of the more experienced growers here I guess became dissatisfied with the mediocre level of success and at some point, strived for bigger and better. We live for the canopy. We are dissatisfied with anything but a monotub with mushrooms packed in like sardines. You won't get that using dating techniques.
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And thanks for taking the time to share what you know….
Hey I appreciate the feedback and I apologize if I said something that offended you. I hope you realize I really am trying to help people achieve a high level of success, including you.
Edited by BeefSupremeJr (10/18/23 11:04 AM)
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