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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: thirdeyewild]
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thirdeyewild said:
I never soak rye.


Just boil prep like with wheat? Interesting


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: thirdeyewild]
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How do I do yours? And isn’t soaking better to get the grains really hydrated? You think it matters?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Zav3r]
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The reason I ask is because some say the endospore needs to germinate before boil. I've heard other people say it's a myth. I will trying skipping; it's only been soaking about an hour.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Zav3r] * 2
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I bring it to a gentle boil, cook on medium until there is no white left inside. Then a cold rinse to get rid of the starches (and stop the steaming) and lay it out on a cloth for a few minutes (to get rid of surface moisture) before loading the jars.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: huey.bluey] * 1
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huey.bluey said:
The reason I ask is because some say the endospore needs to germinate before boil. I've heard other people say it's a myth. I will trying skipping; it's only been soaking about an hour.


I never have contamination due to prep. Been doing it this way for a very long time.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: thirdeyewild] * 2
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i soak not to activate endospores (which isnt neccessary) but because it helps get a more consistent saturation when cooking and tends to burst less grain.  I think
grain prep is the most imporant step in the entire process and i like to do a perfect job of it .


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BeefExtreme]
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I just don't feel like doing it at 5 am :sleep:

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: huey.bluey] * 3
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There are lots of right ways to do grain. Try a few and see what works for you.


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Edited by thirdeyewild (09/27/23 06:27 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: thirdeyewild] * 1
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thirdeyewild said:
I bring it to a gentle boil, cook on medium until there is no white left inside. Then a cold rinse to get rid of the starches (and stop the steaming) and lay it out on a cloth for a few minutes (to get rid of surface moisture) before loading the jars.


I rinced the starches off, they are drying now. Only 2 hours total prep time.
Thank you thirdeyewild. :thumbup:

Edited by huey.bluey (09/27/23 07:28 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BeefExtreme] * 1
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BeefSupremeJr said:
i soak not to activate endospores (which isnt neccessary) but because it helps get a more consistent saturation when cooking and tends to burst less grain.  I think
grain prep is the most imporant step in the entire process and i like to do a perfect job of it .


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: rumfor69] * 1
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rumfor69 said:
BeefSupremeJr said:
i soak not to activate endospores (which isnt neccessary) but because it helps get a more consistent saturation when cooking and tends to burst less grain.  I think
grain prep is the most imporant step in the entire process and i like to do a perfect job of it .


:whathesaid:


:whathesaid:

It is the biggest time sink in the hobby so if you are going to perfect anything in this hobby it is grain prep. Unless you got an autoclave or some other bulk unit designed for sterilizing grain.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: CocaineBuffet] * 3
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I use an AA with a toggle valve instead of a weight.

My grains do come out perfect.
No bursts, perfect hydration.

Trick is to not boil too fast.

Like I said before, there are many correct ways to do grain properly.


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Edited by thirdeyewild (09/27/23 11:23 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: thirdeyewild]
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I have some grain jars that will likely be ready well before my tubs are ready for reuse.

So, is it OK to not shake a jar if you think growth is going fast enough for you? Are there other benefits to the ol' shake besides speed?

(I already missed the optimum shake window anyway, these jars are about 75% colonized after 1 week.)


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Yuggoth] * 1
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I believe the shake is purely for faster 100% colonization, as you get to a certain point but have clusters of grain far away from your initial inoculation points. You're just homogenizing the mix so very soon after the shake you will be sure it's 100%. Compared to a BRF cake where upon full colonization you wait a bit to be sure it's penetrated everything.

The only secondary benefit, if you see it that way, would be detecting contamination, as shaking will disturb everything, potential contamination included.

I've shaken my donor grain jar just to see (it was obviously at 100% upon donating) and it never recovered to that initial appearance, so anecdotally after a certain point you won't have myc looking to colonize and might not get a clear indication. The jar I mentioned I'm currently top fruiting and one day after putting coir on top every grain is blossoming my like it's trying to colonize again.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome] * 1
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Recently I have been letting my jars colonize to close to 50-75 percent prior to 1st shaking for this very reason.  It slowed down the colonization process enough to allow for current tubs to run their course and become available for use.

Other than colonization speed the shake will help identify nasties that may be unnoticeable prior to shaking. Not only will you be spreading the mycelium but also anything else allowing it to take hold and become recognized faster.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Yuggoth] * 1
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Yuggoth said:
I have some grain jars that will likely be ready well before my tubs are ready for reuse.

So, is it OK to not shake a jar if you think growth is going fast enough for you? Are there other benefits to the ol' shake besides speed?

(I already missed the optimum shake window anyway, these jars are about 75% colonized after 1 week.)


As long as all the grain is colonized you’re fine.
In my experience however, if there is some kind of contamination in your jar, distributing the mycelium better to all grains by shaking can expose those contaminated grains by showing the worsened/uneven development on them… which you might not see as well or if at all if you didn’t shake


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: MicroMycelium] * 1
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+1 for slow simmering no soak (oats).
if i boil them "fast" they are not fully hydrated when ready.
i guess this really depends on a dialed in routine which is different for each grain/setup/location etc.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: chris77]
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QQ: Do you think unfiltered tap water is better than fitered for LC due to there being chemicals which inhibit the growth of nasties? Or is it negligible due to the chemicals probably having a similar effect on the growth we are looking for?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: stockw] * 2
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stockw said:
QQ: Do you think unfiltered tap water is better than fitered for LC due to there being chemicals which inhibit the growth of nasties? Or is it negligible due to the chemicals probably having a similar effect on the growth we are looking for?


Distilled water for LC. Crystal clear. You don’t want chemicals in your LC. Make it sterile and keep it that way.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: RoscoeReturns]
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Cool, filtered it is. Can't get distilled water near me but I have a carbon filter on my faucet so that'll have to do. Cheers Roscoe.

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