chris77 said:

johnukguy said:

There are no separate fruiting conditions anymore. Air and light are allowed from the get go. Don't use fans or heating mats. You don't need to fiddle with your SAB, just go get a cheap tub when you can. For the water tub, I'd recommend that you follow this Tek:

Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes

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Well, it seems quite obvious that your statement is not entirely correct and cannot be applied to all the different species we are growing here without further consideration.
CO2 does play a certain role for  ideal growing conditions of mycelium and another for ideal growing conditions of fruit bodies.
This should seem pretty clear when you consider that in a natural situation mycelium grows underground while mushrooms grow above ground.

as a higher level of co2 is desirable during colonization it is less the case for fruiting. FAE can still not be ruled out as a pinning trigger (as far as i am informed) and although psilocybe cubensis is very easy to cultivate and forgiving, FAE seems to play an important role in going from "growing mushrooms" to maximizing flushes and therefore BE.
It's not my intention to provoque a discussion on the topic (too many opinions) but i can say from my personal experience that ideal colonization and fruiting conditions are not identical.
just my 2 cents, be happy

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mushboy said:

chris77 said:

johnukguy said:

There are no separate fruiting conditions anymore. Air and light are allowed from the get go. Don't use fans or heating mats. You don't need to fiddle with your SAB, just go get a cheap tub when you can. For the water tub, I'd recommend that you follow this Tek:

Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes

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Well, it seems quite obvious that your statement is not entirely correct and cannot be applied to all the different species we are growing here without further consideration.
CO2 does play a certain role for  ideal growing conditions of mycelium and another for ideal growing conditions of fruit bodies.
This should seem pretty clear when you consider that in a natural situation mycelium grows underground while mushrooms grow above ground.

as a higher level of co2 is desirable during colonization it is less the case for fruiting. FAE can still not be ruled out as a pinning trigger (as far as i am informed) and although psilocybe cubensis is very easy to cultivate and forgiving, FAE seems to play an important role in going from "growing mushrooms" to maximizing flushes and therefore BE.
It's not my intention to provoque a discussion on the topic (too many opinions) but i can say from my personal experience that ideal colonization and fruiting conditions are not identical.
just my 2 cents, be happy

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I highly disagree.

Separating fruiting and colonizing into different categories is adding extra steps that don’t exist.

The whole co2 settles and co2 for pinning stuff is old repeated hearsay.

We fruit at spawning. The mushrooms pin when the substrate is colonized.

Unless you literally seal up a tub ad keep it in the dark? you are fruiting at spawning wether you kno it or not.

unmodified monos kinda prove this point because they colonize, pin and fruit all the same environment. Zero change.

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mushboy said:

chris77 said:

johnukguy said:

There are no separate fruiting conditions anymore. Air and light are allowed from the get go. Don't use fans or heating mats. You don't need to fiddle with your SAB, just go get a cheap tub when you can. For the water tub, I'd recommend that you follow this Tek:

Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes

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Well, it seems quite obvious that your statement is not entirely correct and cannot be applied to all the different species we are growing here without further consideration.
CO2 does play a certain role for  ideal growing conditions of mycelium and another for ideal growing conditions of fruit bodies.
This should seem pretty clear when you consider that in a natural situation mycelium grows underground while mushrooms grow above ground.

as a higher level of co2 is desirable during colonization it is less the case for fruiting. FAE can still not be ruled out as a pinning trigger (as far as i am informed) and although psilocybe cubensis is very easy to cultivate and forgiving, FAE seems to play an important role in going from "growing mushrooms" to maximizing flushes and therefore BE.
It's not my intention to provoque a discussion on the topic (too many opinions) but i can say from my personal experience that ideal colonization and fruiting conditions are not identical.
just my 2 cents, be happy

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I highly disagree.

Separating fruiting and colonizing into different categories is adding extra steps that don’t exist.

The whole co2 settles and co2 for pinning stuff is old repeated hearsay.

We fruit at spawning. The mushrooms pin when the substrate is colonized.

Unless you literally seal up a tub ad keep it in the dark? you are fruiting at spawning wether you kno it or not.

unmodified monos kinda prove this point because they colonize, pin and fruit all the same environment. Zero change.

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BeefSupremeJr said:

mushboy said:

chris77 said:

johnukguy said:

There are no separate fruiting conditions anymore. Air and light are allowed from the get go. Don't use fans or heating mats. You don't need to fiddle with your SAB, just go get a cheap tub when you can. For the water tub, I'd recommend that you follow this Tek:

Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes

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Well, it seems quite obvious that your statement is not entirely correct and cannot be applied to all the different species we are growing here without further consideration.
CO2 does play a certain role for  ideal growing conditions of mycelium and another for ideal growing conditions of fruit bodies.
This should seem pretty clear when you consider that in a natural situation mycelium grows underground while mushrooms grow above ground.

as a higher level of co2 is desirable during colonization it is less the case for fruiting. FAE can still not be ruled out as a pinning trigger (as far as i am informed) and although psilocybe cubensis is very easy to cultivate and forgiving, FAE seems to play an important role in going from "growing mushrooms" to maximizing flushes and therefore BE.
It's not my intention to provoque a discussion on the topic (too many opinions) but i can say from my personal experience that ideal colonization and fruiting conditions are not identical.
just my 2 cents, be happy

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I highly disagree.

Separating fruiting and colonizing into different categories is adding extra steps that don’t exist.

The whole co2 settles and co2 for pinning stuff is old repeated hearsay.

We fruit at spawning. The mushrooms pin when the substrate is colonized.

Unless you literally seal up a tub ad keep it in the dark? you are fruiting at spawning wether you kno it or not.

unmodified monos kinda prove this point because they colonize, pin and fruit all the same environment. Zero change.

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i said the same thing in less words a few pages back and nobody said shit. 

how come nobody argues with me these days?  i feel invisible.  maybe i bring back the obnoxious gif avatar etc.

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Could you reference your post? i have been more absent from the forum recently.
but i would love to argue with you

BeefSupremeJr said:

bfraz411 said:

This is my second grow (first time spawning to bulk)... This cake has been colonizing for 10 days now and I'm not sure if it's going to colonize anymore in the little bald spot in the middle. When I put the casing layer down I just dumped it in the middle and spread it so the casing layer is probably the thickest at that point. Should I wait for 100% colonization or do I just go ahead into fruiting conditions now?

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we dont differentiate between fruiting and colonizing conditions anymore that shits old.  we go into fruiting conditions from the get go.

also please dont change the subject line.

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Pandaskis said:

Does anyone know the average time it takes to top fruit bottle tek grows? (I.e how long does it take from putting coir ontop of the fully colonized bottle to fruit)

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mushboy said:

We fruit at spawning. The mushrooms pin when the substrate is colonized.

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Roxannne23 said:

Just wondering if this is contamination. No discoloration, no ordors.

https://files.shroomery.org/files/23-19/375133665-20230510_142700.jpg

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AspectOfTheCreator said:

I would imagine if it was a problem it wouldnt go on to grow out nice and symmetrical like that.

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Mycodemus said:

Mycodemus said:

mushboy said:

hang on to it until its obvious or you see green.

right now its 'highly suspect'.

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Thanks. Will do.

I know the rectangle is pretty dry, but I saw someone saying a few pages back not to mist while it’s still colonizing so I’m unsure what to do. The box itself is steamy.

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More pics of the rectangle shoebox. Top three are in sunlight which are the streaks across, but the sub is definitely dry. What do?

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ReverendMyc said:

I would take a transfer from that pretty leading edge. I feel like mine does that sometimes if the agar is too wet or even puddling. Once the excess water absorbs the clean myc grows in a healthier pattern. Could be totally wrong, but I believe that has been my experience with that type of pattern.

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