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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: koods]
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That may be true.  I'm only going on the hypothetical propounded that they did and found definitive proof that Mr. Rich was the one who provided the information to Assange.


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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Stable Genius said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Do you mean "I made no attempt to verify"?

His source was an FBI insider that he's known for 31 years.  He also said "It's undoubtedly true".

Could Seymour's trusted FBI source have been lying to him?  It's possible, but why would he?


Yes, when he said he had not verified the information.


How would Seymour Hersh, who got this information from a trusted FBI source, verify the information?

Stable Genius said:
So the FBI, after having searched his computer, finding communications with Wikileaks, asking for payment, decides to charge someone else?................. why would they?


Why would the US Government blame its rival Russia?  Is that your question?


Why would the US government examine Seth Rich’s computer if they were intent on blaming Russia?

Why don’t conspiracy theories ever have any internal consistency?


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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: koods]
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koods said:
And you believe a reporter with a sketchy reputation and his single anonymous source with no supporting documentation. It’s ridiculous.


Can you explain his "sketchy reputation"?  Seymour Hersh exposed the My Lai Massacre and its cover-up during the Vietnam War, and received a 1970 Pulitzer Prize.


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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: koods]
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I think a simple google search would benefit you


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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: koods]
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koods said:
It isn’t it out of bounds for Assange to not reveal his sources, but he can’t lie and trying to stoke
Conspiracy theories about Seth rich is unethical beyond words. A real journalist who tried protect his sources in that manner would be fired immediately


So now you think Seth was his source?


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Edited by Falcon91Wolvrn03 (12/15/20 10:24 AM)

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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Ugh

Why can’t you debate honestly


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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: koods]
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Same question for you.  You and Enlil keep calling me a conspiracy theorist for wanting to look at the evidence and not trusting whatever I'm told to believe.  You guys have proven how gullible you are by believing what you're told to believe.

Here's a few things I've been right about after the evidence came out:

That Mueller would not find evidence of Trump-Russia collusion
That there was no evidence of Russia paying the Taliban bounties to kill US troops
That the charges against the parent of the Russian 'troll farm' would be dismissed
That Sergei Magnitsky was a crook
That Michael Cohen never made calls to Russia from Prague

Why don't you tell me what I've been wrong about after the evidence came out?  Right now it appears you guys are the conspiracy theorists.


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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Waste someone else’s time. You have an obsessive need to rehash things over and over

Russia hacked the DNC. Seth Rich had nothing to do with it. You’re never going to stop lying about.


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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: koods]
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I'm saying Seymour Hersh was told by an FBI contact that Rich was in contact with Wikileaks.  That's a fact.

I've acknowledged it's possible that his FBI contact lied to him.

You make believe that you know he was lying.

That's the difference between us.  I like evidence, you like make believe.


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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Yes it’s a fact that Seymour hirsh claimed an FBI source told him something.

There are no other facts. Why would you even believe a story from a single anonymous source with zero documentary evidence to back up those claims.


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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: koods]
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You've also got Julian Assange saying he didn't get the emails from Russia.  Of course, he may be lying too.

But why?  Those guys are the ones who have exposed wrongdoing.


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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: koods]
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Meanwhile, forensic evidence conclusively proves that the DNC was hacked. This is such intellectually dishonest bullshit.  We have a hack of the DNC.  A hacker who admits to having done it and turning over shit to Assange.  An IP address that leads to a GRU facility. But maybe we can blame a dead guy instead, just to protect Mother Russia's reputation.

FW, you will say anything to support Russia/Putin.


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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
You've also got Julian Assange saying he didn't get the emails from Russia.  Of course, he may be lying too.



He may not even be lying, but how would he know?  Do you think the guy who gave him the emails would say, "I work for the Russian government, and I have this information."  Is that how you think intelligence operatives work?  Assange's word means almost nothing here unless he explains exactly how, when, and from whom he got the information.  We both know that isn't going to happen.

In court, Assange's claim wouldn't even be admissible because of lack of foundation.  Unless Assange explains how he knows that Russia isn't the source of his information, his word means nothing.



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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Meanwhile, forensic evidence conclusively proves that the DNC was hacked. This is such intellectually dishonest bullshit.  We have a hack of the DNC.


Did I ever argue it wasn't hacked?

Enlil said:
A hacker who admits to having done it and turning over shit to Assange.


So I'm being made fun of for saying it's possible that Assange and Hersh are telling the truth, while you insist some unknown internet hacker is definitively the honest one?  :shrug:


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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
You've also got Julian Assange saying he didn't get the emails from Russia.  Of course, he may be lying too.



He may not even be lying, but how would he know?  Do you think the guy who gave him the emails would say, "I work for the Russian government, and I have this information."  Is that how you think intelligence operatives work?  Assange's word means almost nothing here unless he explains exactly how, when, and from whom he got the information.  We both know that isn't going to happen.

In court, Assange's claim wouldn't even be admissible because of lack of foundation.  Unless Assange explains how he knows that Russia isn't the source of his information, his word means nothing.




Maybe he got it from UPS. Who cares. The material came from a Russian hack.


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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: koods]
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How do you know that?  Or is that make believe?


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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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There's evidence to support it, and there's zero evidence that it came from any other source.  The alternate theories are based on pure speculation.  Assange saying it didn't come from Russia has zero evidentiary value.

The fact that you can't discern make believe from evidence-based conclusion is pretty sad.


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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: Enlil]
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Seriously this is just as pathetic as these election deniers


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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
There's evidence to support it, and there's zero evidence that it came from any other source.


Again, you don't trust Assange and Hersh, but you trust an unknown hacker?

Enlil said:
The alternate theories are based on pure speculation.  Assange saying it didn't come from Russia has zero evidentiary value.


I'm not sure I understand.  If Assange knows where it came from, that doesn't count?

Enlil said:
The fact that you can't discern make believe from evidence-based conclusion is pretty sad.


It's the opposite.  You keep getting tricked over and over again, while I'm still waiting to hear what I've been wrong about once the evidence came out.

And I said it's possible Assange and Hersh (or his FBI informant) are lying, but you think it's impossible that an unknown hacker is lying.  Alrighty then.


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Re: Julian Assange Arrested in London [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Enlil said:
There's evidence to support it, and there's zero evidence that it came from any other source.


Again, you don't trust Assange and Hersh, but you trust an unknown hacker?

Enlil said:
The alternate theories are based on pure speculation.  Assange saying it didn't come from Russia has zero evidentiary value.


I'm not sure I understand.  If Assange knows where it came from, that doesn't count?




Hersh isn't a witness to anything.  His word means absolutely nothing.  Assange may know, but he hasn't said.  All he's said is that it wasn't Russia, but he hasn't told us how he knows that.  Without that information, it's no different than him telling us that the CIA assassinated JFK.  Assange has not even shown us that he has personal knowledge of the source of the emails.

It isn't about lying.  It's about credibility.  It's about personal knowledge.  Neither Hersh nor Assange have claimed to have any personal knowledge of who hacked the server nor how the emails got to Assange.  Unless/until they do, their word must be disregarded.


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