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Re: London: Man shot by armed police on Tube [Re: d33p]
    #4447043 - 07/24/05 11:26 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I agree. We should now start a War on Electricians (WOE)...


The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: London: Man shot by armed police on Tube [Re: Swami]
    #4451881 - 07/26/05 02:31 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Urgent Release For All Press

Talking Points for man mistakenly killed by UK police. The following
points should be emphasised in your reports:

The dead man is to be referred to as the "suspect" and never the "victim". The intent of these talking points is to cast suspicision onto the dead man and direct any criticism away from the police.

He was not Caucasian. Preferably he was of Asian or Arab appearance.
Do not just mention that he was (mistakenly) taken for a suicide bomber, but describe suicide bombings in detail. Especially the aftermath. The intention should be to frighten the reader.

Remind the reader what would (never say "might") have happened if the suspect "had" been a suicide bomber and the police had "not" shot him. Exaggerate.

Imply that he had a rucksack of the same colour, size, and design as preferred by real suicide bombers.

Blame the terrorists for his death and be sympathetic towards the police at all times.

When describing the man use imagary drawn only from the CCTV pictures of the real bombers. Conjour up the image of a suicide bomber.

Mention but do not discuss his innocence. Mention it only when necessary.

Belittle the suspect. Describe him in negative terms as poorly dressed, unshaven, and nervous, but also as a physically intimidating man, burly, agile, fit, dangerous.

It should not be written that he "failed" to obey police as failure may be construed as meaning that there was some other possible reason for his not stoping than presumed guilt. Avoid passive associations by describing his actions only with action words commonly associated with guilt such as "refused" or "resisted".

Give conflicting eye-witness accounts of the actual moments of the shooting so as to protect officers.

One witness thought he saw a "bomb-belt" on the suspect. Quote this witness extensively and as often as possible. Offer no speculation or implication that he may have been mistaken (which of course he was). Use his observation as if it was the sworn testimony of an expert in suicide bombings requiring no further comment.

The police began following the suspect after he left an apartment in the same block in which another apartment was under surveillance. Use this in such a way as to connect him to the bombers (by describing the apartment block as a "house", for example). Do not speculate that the police may have followed the wrong man.

Bury the information that the real bombers are still on the loose by mentioning some vague arrests but do not give details as those arrested in the early days of such crises invariably turn out to be innocent.

Avoid mention of the suspect's family (especially if it turns out he had a wife and kids) but report in depth on how sorry the police are. Use words like "regret" and "tragic".

Assert that the way in which the suspect "dived or fell to ground" was cause for suspicion in itself. Never connect this to the simultaneous shouting by armed police for every one to "get down" as this may contradict prior assertions that he refused to obey the police.

Report it as if "the regulations" required the police to shoot him.

Report that there will be an internal enquiry as if this is a magnanimous police gesture as opposed to mere routine. Report on the process but not the substance of the enquiry, and phrase process descriptions in terms of thoroughness, accountability, and above all sufficiency. Avoid mention of previous police-shootings that have resulted in public enquiries.

Don't mention the war.

Generate debate on the circumstances in which the police *should* shoot to kill, and avoid moral or legal issues. Frame the debate in terms of terrorism only and dismiss mistaken-identity arguments as left-wing or liberal.

If the suspect turns out to be non-muslim you should still continue to question muslim clerics on matters related to terrorism.

If the suspect does turn out to be muslim connect muslim sympathy or sorrow over his death with radical extremism.

Use the tiniest flaw in the suspect's character (drugs, fare-dodging, infidelity, etc) as ultimate justification. For example, "If he hadn't have been deaf, he would have heard the police and still be alive today..."

Utterly groundless speculation is allowed to be presented as fact only when it results in a positive image for HMG.

All other topics, speculation, criticisms of the police, or discussions, are forbidden.

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Re: London: Man shot by armed police on Tube [Re: FrankieJustTrypt]
    #4452147 - 07/26/05 04:07 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Hehe, nice write-up. From Fox TV network?  :grin:

More info, the man was shot 8 times instead of five


Brazilian shot eight times by officers


Key points
? An innocent Brazilian man killed on Friday was shot 8 times by police
? Relatives of Mr Menezes are thinking of suing the Metropolitan Police
? Independent Police Complaints Commission are investigating the incident

Key quote
"They [the police] have to pay for that in many ways because if they do not, they are going to kill many people; they are going to kill thousands of people. They just kill the first person they see; that's what they did.? - Alex Pereira, cousin of Mr de Menezes

Story in full THE innocent Brazilian man gunned down by police at Stockwell Underground station on Friday was killed by seven shots to the head and one to the shoulder, a coroner's inquest heard yesterday.

It had previously been reported that five shots to the head killed Jean Charles de Menezes, whose only link to those suspected of attempting to bomb London's Underground network last Thursday was that he lived in the same block of flats as one of them.

His killing has put Britain's "shoot-to-kill" policy under the spotlight, with British Muslim politicians expressing concern yesterday that other innocent people - particularly illegal asylum seekers - might end up being shot by police.

Tony Blair, the Prime Minister, apologised yesterday for the death of Mr de Menezes, but relatives said they were thinking of suing the Metropolitan Police. Detective Inspector Elizabeth Baker, the director of professional standards and specialist investigations at Scotland Yard, attended yesterday's inquest.

The coroner, John Sampson, said: "At 10:05am Mr Menezes entered Stockwell Tube station, took the escalator to the platform and boarded a north-bound Northern line train.

"Armed police officers followed him on to the train and shot him several times in the head and once in the shoulder. Paramedics pronounced him dead at 10:10am. Cause of death was seven shots to the head and one shot to the shoulder."

Comments by Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, that officers would shoot to kill again have caused controversy in the aftermath of Mr Menezes' death. Yesterday, a leading Labour peer said illegal immigrants might become victims of the policy because they will naturally run when challenged by a police officer.

Lord Nazir Ahmed of Rotherham said that police must act within the "parameters of reasonableness", after Mr de Menezes became a victim of the controversial strategy. It has been claimed that he may have been running from police because his visa had expired.

Lord Ahmed said many Muslims were concerned they might fall victim to the police policy. He said: "We know that we have about 500,000 or so illegal immigrants. If any one of them was challenged by a police officer, they would certainly run.

"I am not suggesting for one minute that an illegal asylum seeker has the right to stay here, but he is not the same as a suicide bomber." He added that police needed to ensure that mistakes were not repeated.

Sadiq Khan, the Labour MP for Tooting in London, also said there was widespread anxiety among Muslims about shoot-to-kill, although he said that a message needed to be put across that police would only use the policy in certain extreme circumstances.

At a Downing Street news conference yesterday, Mr Blair said: "We are desperately sorry for the death of an innocent person, and I understand entirely the feelings of the young man's family.

"But we also have to understand the police are doing their job in very difficult circumstances, and I think it is important that we give them every support and that we understand that had the circumstances been different and, for example, this had turned out to be a terrorist and they had failed to take that action, they would have been criticised the other way."

The Home Office refused to comment yesterday on whether Mr de Menezes, 27, was in Britain on an out-of-date visa. Reports had claimed that he had come to the UK on a student visa, which allows people to work for a small number of hours. Alex Pereira, a cousin of Mr de Menezes, told BBC Breakfast that the police "have to pay" for the mistake.

He said: "They have to pay for that in many ways because if they do not, they are going to kill many people; they are going to kill thousands of people. They just kill the first person they see; that's what they did. They killed my cousin; they could kill anyone."

Mr de Menezes had given relatives a glowing report of life in the United Kingdom in a visit to Brazil soon after moving to the country. "They don't have violence," he had said. "It's good there. Nobody walks around with a gun." Mr Pereira held meetings yesterday with a Brazilian minister, Celso Amorim, and a lawyer, Gareth Peirce, to discuss potential action.

Later, he claimed that his cousin had a five-year visa and that it had not expired. He called on police to release CCTV footage of the incident:

"They have to answer why they let a guy they suspected of terrorism take a bus and why they waited for a crowded place, before they shot him. They have to show everyone, not only me, but everyone, what they did."

An Independent Police Complaints Commission inquiry continued after the coroner's hearing. The officers involved in the shooting have given an account of what happened, although they may be asked to return for further questioning.

Nick Hardwick, the IPCC chairman, said it was too early to say how long the inquiry would take. Urging the public not to jump to rash judgments, he added: "We enter this with open minds, as we search for the truth, and we have accepted the full co-operation of the Metropolitan Police service, which they have pledged.

"We don't start from the assumption that we are investigating a crime here."


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Re: London: Man shot by armed police on Tube [Re: cybrbeast]
    #4456357 - 07/27/05 01:15 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

The press propaganda I've seen is making me sick. Its exactly as Frankie describes.

What pisses me off is they said they couldn't shoot his body because it might of detonated a bomb (but they did!). When the corona's report came out it said he'd been shot in the shoulder.

Such blatant lies. REVOLT!

Where did shoot to kill say, empty your whole clip into the punk?

Surely 1 bullet to the head would kill anybody at that range?

Fuck your Power-trip (gov)


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Re: London: Man shot by armed police on Tube [Re: FrankieJustTrypt]
    #4456496 - 07/27/05 01:51 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

/sarcasm Ah, just kill em all. The news can spin it anyway you like. Let God sort them out... Unless there white, the master race has value.. /end sarcasm

It was okay to kill this guy because he was running, wonder what the world will be like when it's okay for cops to kill someone when they give the wrong look.

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Re: London: Man shot by armed police on Tube [Re: Anisotropic]
    #4462385 - 07/28/05 08:27 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Latest news is he wasn't wearing a bulky jacket and he didn't jump the ticket barrier.

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Re: London: Man shot by armed police on Tube [Re: IsaacHunt]
    #4485057 - 08/02/05 08:30 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

So this is how liberty dies... with great applause!

Sorry to go on about it but nobodies willing to do anything about the fact we are giving up our free-will for this so called 'Protection and security'.

Protection raquets eh? How much more corrupt will our beloved governments get?


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Re: London: Man shot by armed police on Tube [Re: Ego Death]
    #4485063 - 08/02/05 08:32 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

So we give up our freedom for security from people who start wars.

WTF is this shit, is everybody just completely fucking ignorant???


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