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Documents from Saddam Hussein's regime
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On this web page there are links to documents from Saddam Hussein's regime showing he was a serious threat to the USA, had links to various terrorist (Islamic suicide bombers) groups and even possessed chemical and biological weapons. There is a link to an English translation in pdf format on each page of the documents.

See http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewNation.asp?Page=%5CNation%5Carchive%5C200410%5CNAT20041011a.html

http://www.moveamericaforward.org/index.php/DailyFile/2004/10/


Surprisingly there is an article in a Canadian newspaper about links between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Content...l=1007382633839

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Render&c=Page&cid=1007382634643

Edited by Los_Pepes (01/04/06 05:29 PM)

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Re: Documents from Saddam Hussein's regime [Re: Los_Pepes]
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The Wizard of OZ let you back in????? I don't believe it.

I am sure you are on double probation. if you don't SPAM any posts maybe you can hang awhile.  good luck! :mushroom2:


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Re: Documents from Saddam Hussein's regime [Re: Los_Pepes]
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What you conveniently forget to mention is that there was a much stronger link between the U.S. and Iraq (remember the pic of Rummy shaking hands with Saddam?)....or the fact that the CIA trained Osama Bin Laden...or that the Bush family has strong ties with the Bin Laden family.

But that's okay...keep pushing out your propaganda if it makes you feel better.


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Re: Documents from Saddam Hussein's regime [Re: Rono]
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http://projects.sipri.se/armstrade/Trnd_Ind_IRQ_Imps_73-02.pdf

Top three suppliers of arms to Saddam Hussein, 1973 - 2002

USSR: 57%
* France: 13%
* China: 12%

Then, in order of importance:

* Czechoslovakia: 7%
* Poland: 4%
* Brazil: 2%
* Egypt: 1%
* Romania: 1%
* Denmark: 1%
* Libya: 1%

USA's sales -- 1 percent. None provided before or after the Iraq-Iran war.


Syria hiding Iraq WMDs
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36463

Russia Moved Iraqi WMD
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/3/2/230625.shtml

Dutch Chemical Ali:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/3/28/113447.shtml



This looks like a conspiracy here http://h1.ripway.com/Zamboni/pdfs/USD280577.pdf

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Re: Documents from Saddam Hussein's regime [Re: Rono]
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You let him back in? Oh man....

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Re: Documents from Saddam Hussein's regime [Re: Los_Pepes]
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Arming Iraq: A Chronology of U.S. Involvement
By: John King, March 2003


What follows is an accurate chronology of United States involvement in the arming of Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war 1980-88. It is a powerful indictment of the president Bush administration attempt to sell war as a component of his war on terrorism. It reveals US ambitions in Iraq to be just another chapter in the attempt to regain a foothold in the Mideast following the fall of the Shah of Iran.

Arming Iraq and the Path to War
A crisis always has a history, and the current crisis with Iraq is no exception. Below are some relevant dates.

September, 1980. Iraq invades Iran. The beginning of the Iraq-Iran war. [8]

February, 1982. Despite objections from congress, President Reagan removes Iraq from its list of known terrorist countries. [1]

December, 1982. Hughes Aircraft ships 60 Defender helicopters to Iraq. [9]

1982-1988. Defense Intelligence Agency provides detailed information for Iraq on Iranian deployments, tactical planning for battles, plans for air strikes and bomb damage assessments. [4]

November, 1983. A National Security Directive states that the U.S would do "whatever was necessary and legal" to prevent Iraq from losing its war with Iran. [1] & [15]

November, 1983. Banca Nazionale del Lavoro of Italy and its Branch in Atlanta begin to funnel $5 billion in unreported loans to Iraq. Iraq, with the blessing and official approval of the US government, purchased computer controlled machine tools, computers, scientific instruments, special alloy steel and aluminum, chemicals, and other industrial goods for Iraq's missile, chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs. [14]

October, 1983. The Reagan Administration begins secretly allowing Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Egypt to transfer United States weapons, including Howitzers, Huey helicopters, and bombs to Iraq. These shipments violated the Arms Export Control Act. [16]

November 1983. George Schultz, the Secretary of State, is given intelligence reports showing that Iraqi troops are daily using chemical weapons against the Iranians. [1]


Donald Rumsfeld -Reagan's Envoy- provided Iraq with
chemical & biological weapons
December 20, 1983. Donald Rumsfeld , then a civilian and now Defense Secretary, meets with Saddam Hussein to assure him of US friendship and materials support. [1] & [15]

July, 1984. CIA begins giving Iraq intelligence necessary to calibrate its mustard gas attacks on Iranian troops. [19]

January 14, 1984. State Department memo acknowledges United States shipment of "dual-use" export hardware and technology. Dual use items are civilian items such as heavy trucks, armored ambulances and communications gear as well as industrial technology that can have a military application. [2]

March, 1986. The United States with Great Britain block all Security Council resolutions condemning Iraq's use of chemical weapons, and on March 21 the US becomes the only country refusing to sign a Security Council statement condemning Iraq's use of these weapons. [10]

May, 1986. The US Department of Commerce licenses 70 biological exports to Iraq between May of 1985 and 1989, including at least 21 batches of lethal strains of anthrax. [3]

May, 1986. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of weapons grade botulin poison to Iraq. [7]

March, 1987. President Reagan bows to the findings of the Tower Commission admitting the sale of arms to Iran in exchange for hostages. Oliver North uses the profits from the sale to fund an illegal war in Nicaragua. [17]

Late 1987. The Iraqi Air Force begins using chemical agents against Kurdish resistance forces in northern Iraq. [1]

February, 1988. Saddam Hussein begins the "Anfal" campaign against the Kurds of northern Iraq. The Iraq regime used chemical weapons against the Kurds killing over 100,000 civilians and destroying over 1,200 Kurdish villages. [8]

April, 1988. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of chemicals used in manufacture of mustard gas. [7]

August, 1988. Four major battles were fought from April to August 1988, in which the Iraqis massively and effectively used chemical weapons to defeat the Iranians. Nerve gas and blister agents such as mustard gas are used. By this time the US Defense Intelligence Agency is heavily involved with Saddam Hussein in battle plan assistance, intelligence gathering and post battle debriefing. In the last major battle with of the war, 65,000 Iranians are killed, many with poison gas. Use of chemical weapons in war is in violation of the Geneva accords of 1925. [6] & [13]

August, 1988. Iraq and Iran declare a cease fire. [8]

August, 1988. Five days after the cease fire Saddam Hussein sends his planes and helicopters to northern Iraq to begin massive chemical attacks against the Kurds. [8]

September, 1988. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of weapons grade anthrax and botulinum to Iraq. [7]

September, 1988. Richard Murphy, Assistant Secretary of State: "The US-Iraqi relationship is... important to our long-term political and economic objectives." [15]

December, 1988. Dow chemical sells $1.5 million in pesticides to Iraq despite knowledge that these would be used in chemical weapons. [1]

July 25, 1990. US Ambassador to Baghdad meets with Hussein to assure him that President Bush "wanted better and deeper relations". Many believe this visit was a trap set for Hussein. A month later Hussein invaded Kuwait thinking the US would not respond. [12]

August, 1990 Iraq invades Kuwait. The precursor to the Gulf War. [8]

July, 1991 The Financial Times of London reveals that a Florida chemical company had produced and shipped cyanide to Iraq during the 80's using a special CIA courier. Cyanide was used extensively against the Iranians. [11]

August, 1991. Christopher Droguol of Atlanta's branch of Banca Nazionale del Lavoro is arrested for his role in supplying loans to Iraq for the purchase of military supplies. He is charged with 347 counts of felony. Droguol is found guilty, but US officials plead innocent of any knowledge of his crime. [14]

June, 1992. Ted Kopple of ABC Nightline reports: "It is becoming increasingly clear that George Bush Sr., operating largely behind the scenes throughout the 1980's, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence, and military help that built Saddam's Iraq into [an aggressive power]." [5]

July, 1992. "The Bush administration deliberately, not inadvertently, helped to arm Iraq by allowing U.S. technology to be shipped to Iraqi military and to Iraqi defense factories... Throughout the course of the Bush administration, U.S. and foreign firms were granted export licenses to ship U.S. technology directly to Iraqi weapons facilities despite ample evidence showing that these factories were producing weapons." Representative Henry Gonzalez, Texas, testimony before the House. [18]

February, 1994. Senator Riegle from Michigan, chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, testifies before the senate revealing large US shipments of dual-use biological and chemical agents to Iraq that may have been used against US troops in the Gulf War and probably was the cause of the illness known as Gulf War Syndrome. [7]

August, 2002. "The use of gas [during the Iran-Iraq war] on the battle field by the Iraqis was not a matter of deep strategic concern... We were desperate to make sure that Iraq did not lose". Colonel Walter Lang, former senior US Defense Intelligence officer tells the New York Times. [4]

This chronology of the United States' sordid involvement in the arming of Iraq can be summarized in this way: The United States used methods both legal and illegal to help build Saddam's army into the most powerful army in the Mideast outside of Israel. The US supplied chemical and biological agents and technology to Iraq when it knew Iraq was using chemical weapons against the Iranians. The US supplied the materials and technology for these weapons of mass destruction to Iraq at a time when it was know that Saddam was using this technology to kill his Kurdish citizens. The United States supplied intelligence and battle planning information to Iraq when those battle plans included the use of cyanide, mustard gas and nerve agents. The United States blocked UN censure of Iraq's use of chemical weapons. The United States did not act alone in this effort. The Soviet Union was the largest weapons supplier, but England, France and Germany were also involved in the shipment of arms and technology.




References:
1 Washingtonpost.com. December 30, 2002
2 Jonathan Broder. Nuclear times, Winter 1990-91
3 Kurt Nimno. AlterNet. September 23, 2002
4 Newyorktimes.com. August 29, 2002
5 ABC Nightline. June9, 1992
6 Counter Punch, October 10, 2002
7 Riegle Report: Dual Use Exports. Senate Committee on Banking. May 25, 1994
8 Timeline: A walk Through Iraq's History. U.S. Department of State
9 Doing Business: The Arming of Iraq. Daniel Robichear
10 Glen Rangwala. Labor Left Briefing, 16 September, 2002
11 Financial Times of London. July 3, 1991
12 Elson E. Boles. Counter Punch. October 10, 2002
13 Iran-Iraq War, 1980-1988. Iranchamber.com
14 Columbia Journalism Review. March/April 1993. Iraqgate
15 Times Online. December 31, 2002. How U.S. Helped Iraq Build Deadly Arsenal
16 Bush's Secret Mission. The New Yorker Magazine. November 2, 1992
17 Grolier Multimedia Encyclopedia: Iran-Contra Affair
18 Congressional Record. July 27, 1992. Representative Henry B. Gonzalez
19 Bob Woodward. CIA Aiding Iraq in Gulf War. Washington Post. 15 December, 1986
20 Case Study: The Anfal Campaign. www.gendercide.com


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Re: Documents from Saddam Hussein's regime [Re: Rono]
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Damn good comebacks, Rono!!!  :thumbup: :mushroom2: :thumbup:


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Re: Documents from Saddam Hussein's regime [Re: Los_Pepes]
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These documents have no credibility whatsoever. What's the source? We're going to be needing more than a few easy-to-forge documents to confirm something of this scope and magnitude. You might as well forge something on cocktail napkins.

The 9/11 Commission Report found nothing to indicate that Saddam Hussein was a clear and present danger to the safety of the United States. The fact that we found no WMDs corroborates this.

To remind: The 9/11 Commission was a bipartisan commission of 5 independently-elected Democrats and 5 independently-elected Republicans. They had 64 known staff members. They reviewed more than 2.5 million pages of documents and interviewed more than 1,200 individuals in ten countries--including nearly every senior official from the current and previous administrations. They held 19 days of hearings and took public testimony from 160 witnesses. I trust them.

Not that any of this matters at this point, unless you have a political agenda.

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Re: Documents from Saddam Hussein's regime [Re: Land_Crab]
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Land_Crab said:
To remind: The 9/11 Commission was a bipartisan commission of 5 independently-elected Democrats and 5 independently-elected Republicans. They had 64 known staff members. They reviewed more than 2.5 million pages of documents and interviewed more than 1,200 individuals in ten countries--including nearly every senior official from the current and previous administrations. They held 19 days of hearings and took public testimony from 160 witnesses. I trust them.

Not that any of this matters at this point, unless you have a political agenda.



You trust them huh? Even though one of their members, Jamie Gorelick, authored the Clinton era policy which kept the FBI and the CIA from sharing intelligence. She shouldn't have been on the committee, she should have been in front of it. No mention of Able Danger either. They did OK I guess. But they were quite a long way away from being definitive.


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Re: Documents from Saddam Hussein's regime [Re: Land_Crab]
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Quote:
The 9/11 Commission Report found nothing to indicate that Saddam Hussein was a clear and present danger to the safety of the United States. The fact that we found no WMDs corroborates this.

To remind: The 9/11 Commission was a bipartisan commission of 5 independently-elected Democrats and 5 independently-elected Republicans. They had 64 known staff members. They reviewed more than 2.5 million pages of documents and interviewed more than 1,200 individuals in ten countries--including nearly every senior official from the current and previous administrations. They held 19 days of hearings and took public testimony from 160 witnesses. I trust them.



To remind:

The mandate of the 9/11 Commission was not to decide whether Hussein supported terrorists (although they did find that), or to determine whether Hussein's regime was an ongoing clear and present danger to the United States, their mandate was to investigate the events leading up to 9/11 and recommend ways for the American government to prevent similar attacks in future.

To remind: much of the documentation mentioned in Los_Pepes's link was found since the 9/11 Commission gave their report, and more is being found (and translated) even now.



Phred


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Re: Documents from Saddam Hussein's regime [Re: Phred]
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Rono's strawman argument actually supports the view that Saddam Hussein had to be taken out of power. The classic knee-jerk response of America haters is to blame the USA for everything while calling it America even though America includes North and South America and islands nearby.

If the USA had any responsibility in supporting Saddam Hussein then logic dictates that the USA had a moral obligation to remove Saddam Hussein from power since the Iraqi people could not do it themselves. Those who fail to see this logic must quit smoking marijuana immediately before you hurt yourself or other people.

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Re: Documents from Saddam Hussein's regime [Re: Los_Pepes]
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:lol:

:shake:

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Re: Documents from Saddam Hussein's regime [Re: Los_Pepes]
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Quote:
If the USA had any responsibility in supporting Saddam Hussein then logic dictates that the USA had a moral obligation to remove Saddam Hussein



That is some fine logic...some even better logic would dictate that the US didn't rub elbows with him in the first place.


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Re: Documents from Saddam Hussein's regime [Re: Rono]
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"As Iraq-Kuwait relations rapidly deteriorated, Saddam was receiving conflicting information about how the U.S. would respond to the prospects of an invasion. For one, Washington had been taking measures to cultivate a constructive relationship with Iraq for roughly a decade. The Reagan administration gave Saddam roughly $40 billion in aid in the 1980s to fight Iran, nearly all of it on credit. The U.S. also sent billions of dollars to Saddam to keep him from forming a strong alliance with the Soviets."
-wikipedia

Pluto

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Re: Documents from Saddam Hussein's regime [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
You trust them huh? Even though one of their members, Jamie Gorelick, authored the Clinton era policy which kept the FBI and the CIA from sharing intelligence. She shouldn't have been on the committee, she should have been in front of it. No mention of Able Danger either. They did OK I guess. But they were quite a long way away from being definitive.



LOL
Have you even read the report?

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Re: Documents from Saddam Hussein's regime [Re: Phred]
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Phred,
You're right. The mandate of the 9/11 Commission was not to decide whether Hussein supported terrorists. That would be a ridiculous mandate.

To clarify:
If you check your copy of the report, on the very first page it says:
"Our mandate was sweeping. The law directed us to investigate "facts and circumstances relating to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001," including those relating to intelligence agencies, law enforcement agencies, diplomacy, immigration issues and border control, the flow of assets to terrorist organizations, commercial aviation, the role of congressional oversight and resource allocation, and other areas determined relevant by the Commission."

This "documentation" is worthless if it cannot be independently verified. Why haven't any of the news stations picked up on this story? Surely there's a legitimate reason.

Also, I can't seem to remember the part of the report where the commission found that Hussein "supported terrorists". Can you find it?

Edited by Land_Crab (01/05/06 07:25 PM)

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Re: Documents from Saddam Hussein's regime [Re: Land_Crab]
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Land_Crab said:
Also, I can't seem to remember the part of the report where the commission found that Hussein "supported terrorists". Can you find it?



That was news to me as well. Please point that out in the report.


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Re: Documents from Saddam Hussein's regime [Re: Land_Crab]
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Quote:
If you check your copy of the report, on the very first page it says:
"Our mandate was sweeping. The law directed us to investigate "facts and circumstances relating to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001," including those relating to intelligence agencies, law enforcement agencies, diplomacy, immigration issues and border control, the flow of assets to terrorist organizations, commercial aviation, the role of congressional oversight and resource allocation, and other areas determined relevant by the Commission."



And where in this description does it mention a mandate to determine whether or not Hussein's regime was a clear and preent danger to the United States?

As for its findings re Hussein's support for terrorists, re-read the section regarding Abu Nidal and Abu Abbas, Hussein's payments to families of Palestinian 'splodeydopes, the meetings over the years between Iraqi government reps and reps of Al Qaeda, descriptions of the Salman Pak terrorist training center, etc.

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This "documentation" is worthless if it cannot be independently verified.



Verified by whom?

Quote:
Why haven't any of the news stations picked up on this story? Surely there's a legitimate reason.



Some journalists have picked up on the story. The first one I remember seeing write about it is Steven Hayes. Then there's the link Los_Pepes provides. I've also seen these documents mentioned in various blogs I visit regularly.

As for your question about "news stations", it will surely come as no surprise to you that the MSM chooses what it will report and what it won't. To claim that something never happened or that something doesn't exist because you haven't seen it on CBS or ABC or NBC or CNN or MSNBC is not a rational position to take.



Phred


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Re: Documents from Saddam Hussein's regime [Re: Rono]
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Rono said:
Quote:
If the USA had any responsibility in supporting Saddam Hussein then logic dictates that the USA had a moral obligation to remove Saddam Hussein



That is some fine logic...some even better logic would dictate that the US didn't rub elbows with him in the first place.



Amazing Rono. You cannot debate the point of the thread without somehow referring to how naughty the U.S acted in the past? Might as well make a signature that states....

"Oh yeah....... welll the U.S did this, that, this, that, this, that...."

Then you won't have to actually type a message when you post.


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Re: Documents from Saddam Hussein's regime [Re: looner2]
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Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it any less true, champ.


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