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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
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MushmanTheManic said:
"In reality there has only been one Christian, and he died on the cross."


I thought he was a Jew. :shrug:


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: musicturkey]
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Hi, I just enjoyed reading your post, and then had the thought to remind that it *must* have been His will that you lose this anchor. Those transformed, wooden beads I can imagine would be such a wonderful something to have growing up, wow! They were/are your talisman. I suppose a new stage of challenge for you in your faith is in the why He allowed them to be lost. Brother everything will be okay, that's all i can know.


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: Silversoul]
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Jesus the Christ
The most complete or best Jew of all is also the very best (since perfect) person, man, brother, father, friend, lover ... wow! :smile:


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: Silversoul]
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I thought he was a Jew.

Ethnically? sure. But religiously, he always seemed rather un-Jewish to me.

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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
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How so? He was definately a monotheist haha... Also was quoting from the Torah all the time. I guess he broke some religious rules that's for sure.


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: secretmachine]
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I'm real Christian meaning - part of The Holy Catholic Church, I've partaken in Holy Mass, in Holy Communion. I acknowledge my sin which is sin in accordance with The Holy Catholic Church definition which I believe is based on Word of God. I believe in God who is the the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Son who gave his earthly life and suffered to bring us closer to him.

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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: secretmachine] * 2
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The appellation of Christian has become as useless and misleading as the English word love. People say I love this food, I love my car, I love my child, I love my wife the same way. At least the ancient Greeks had at least 7 different words for love. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/hide-and-seek/201606/these-are-the-7-types-love ;

I struggled with religious development and alienated my entire Reformed and Conservative Jewish family when I (1) took a Catholic baptism, and (2) entered a United Methodist seminary to earn a Masters in Theological Studies degree. My family was entirely cultural Jews, no religious folk, but each of them had their own subjective understanding of what Christian meant. I was not being anti-Jewish in a spiritual sense (nobody wore prayer shawls or skull-caps in my family anyway) but both old and young, aunts & uncles and cousins thought I was rejecting Jewish culture. Neither was I pretending to be a non-Jew. One aunt escaped Nazi Germany just in time and I think she may have equated Gentile with Christian in an erroneous way and taught my 3 female cousins the same. So they may have believed I was a self-loathing Jew and after their mother told them about Nazi Germany my 'deviation' would be too much to tolerate.

What I loathed was Jewish exclusivism, tribalism, reactionary superiority  ("chosen people' are actually called  "a stiff-necked people," which is not a compliment), and the failure to consider that Iesous, Y'shua, was a type of Jewish role model, not to mention possibly the prophesied Messiah (Meshiach). Every Jewish relative and person I knew was ignorant of the New Testament, but everyone was familiar with anti-Semitism from personal experience received from Gentile people who could NOT have been Christian in any real way because Christ was a Jew. One cannot be a Christian in anything but meaningless name and hate Jews. Iesous was a Jew. The KKK for example bastardize Christian symbols but are not Christians. Being called a "Christ-killer" made so-called Christians an enemy of Jews. I was called Christ-killer and more even as a child but even then I knew they were not Christ-like.

I rejected the significant cultural neurosis that afflicts Jews that I will not go into here. But also my psychedelicized soul aspired towards becoming a universal human being. My heart had been softened and so I have been a vegetarian much of my life. So beef briskets and chicken soup were abandoned. I did not marry a Jewish woman on either of my marriages because I did not like the cultural programming Jewish girls came with, and with only one exception Jewish girls always felt to me like some cousin I had never met or worse they elicited Oedipal material from my unconscious. :eek: I did not procreate which is a big no-no from a religious point of view ("Be fruitful and multiply" says the command from G-d in Genesis), as well as replenishing the tribe following the Holocaust. Had I become a father I would've probably still practiced exogamy because the Ashkenazi gene pool is as high-strung as the over-bred French poodle breed. They're very smart but way too nervous for their own good.

My Jewish identity resides in my Ashkenazi genetics (95%) - Palestinian Jews who migrated to Europe long ago, as well as in some cultural values (like education), and ethics (only enhanced by my adoption of Christian ethics). I tell people that I have a Jewish soul and a Christian spirit. But to attempt to answer your question: IF by Christian you mean someone who talks the talk like the 'Christian Right' or some corrupt and perverse televangelists, then the answer is no. IF by Christian you mean that I belong to a church and adhere to the mores of their idiosyncratic 'beliefs,' then again the answer is no. IF by Christian you mean 'believing' the English translated words of the Greek documents literally as fundamentalist Christians do then the answer in unequivocally NO!

BUT, if you mean by Christian one who endeavors to possess "the mind of Christ," and who uses the descriptive writings of the New Testament, Apocryphal and Gnostic writings to extrapolate a personality which is governed by Compassion and love (Agapé specifically), then the simple answer is yes, I am a Christian - a Jewish, Entheogenic, and Gnostic Christian, but Christian. My job is to love others and this extends (radically) to the animal realm, and NOT to judge (although I do curse Donald J. Trump and his minions from Hell. "..Goddamn, well I declare, have you seen the like...Their wall are built of cannonballs, their motto is don't tread on me...") Instead I adhere to "...Ain't no time to hate, barely time to wait...Woah-oh, what I want to know, where does the time go?...) and contemplate whether Eternity truly is Agapé (1 John 4:8). I do NOT want to be identified with any of the bigoted, ignorant, concrete-minded, gun-loving morons who foolishly think that they are Christian in ANY way that resembles the being of Christ. So these days I do not disclose the identity Christian, not because I am ashamed of Christ but because I do not want to be lumped in by the mutitudinous morons and haters who go by that name.

Edited by MarkostheGnostic (02/26/20 12:46 PM)

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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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:hahawot:
Always brigthens my day from reading such share.
That writing style :thumbup: a spiritual love renegade :heart:.

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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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church and adhere to the mores of their idiosyncratic 'beliefs


What do you mean by that, I wonder. Like, take for example - Catholic Church.

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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: secretmachine] * 1
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secretmachine said:
Ok so i see so many christians who believe simply out of fear or ignorance, they dont think about it at all.  My question is this, are these real christians?  In my opinion these kind of people will believe in any kind of fear mongering nonsense, so they dont count.  Also, christians, when you try and get people to believe in your religeon, what kind of people do you think will go for it?  the weak willed, mindless sheep type of people?  yep!  so heres the ironic part part of it, the real believers, learn pretty quick that the organized part of christianity.. lacks something.  So, how many real christians are there?


This is the World's parody of what a Christian is, and I remember believing it myself.  Ironically, I've found things to be quite the opposite.  The Christians I've interacted with tend to be deep thinkers who came from a position of skepticism and invite inquiry into their beliefs, while the new Atheist class are quite simplistic in their thinking and often hostile when their beliefs are challenged.

I considered myself extremely skeptical of religion for most of my life.  I laughed and mocked Christians along with the rest of the world... Then the Truth chased me down and now I know in my heart that Jesus Christ is the risen Lord and I will follow Him to the end.

We all pretend we're so concerned about "evidence", but we're not really...  The case for Jesus Christ is overwhelming if you actually take the time to examine it... this man died, bloody and humiliated on a Roman cross intended to punish the lowliest slaves... and now we reference him whenever we write out the current year. 

Jesus Christ is nothing short of a total enigma in all of world history.  The more you look at Him and His Words, the more the veil begins to drop, and you begin to see the true light.  You begin to understand what God did for you.

... It will always come down to your heart and whether or not you're willing to give up your authority and surrender it to God.


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: pacmanbreed] * 1
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:cheers:


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: owerfull] * 2
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Well, yes Catholics have things idiosyncratic to themselves. The unbaptized baby place of Limbo has been rejected after centuries of fabricated 'belief.' Veneration of saints and in fact the beatification of individuals based upon 3 paranormal events is certainly idiosyncratic. Every denomination within Protestantism has its own defining idiosyncrasy that separates it from others. Even within a denomination like the Episcopal Church there is high and low church traditions. I was really thinking of bizarre shit like snake-handling churches in the American Ozarks which create a whole form based on an obscure passage of Paul being bitten by a viper but nothing happens and he shakes it off his hand into a fire in Acts 28:5 or Mark 16:18. The old viper might have already used its venom for all we know if the event happened at all. Meanwhile, people are frequently bitten by wild snakes and many have died. Testing the LORD by these behaviors is idiosyncratic, bizarre, and contraindicated by the Bible. Iesous says to the Devil himself, "Thou shall not tempt the LORD thy God" in Matthew 4:7 KJV. Am I being judgmental here? Maybe. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/17/snake-handling-phenomenon/5571403/


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Re: how many real christians are there? *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Post deleted by Connection

Reason for deletion: Love


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: Connection] * 1
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Isn't there something about a narrow path? Didn't Jesus himself speak of this? Someone help me out.
Also, I prefer Xtian. Helps separate the wheat from the chaff.
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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: BayerPhi] * 1
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Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Matthew 7:13-14


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Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity.
The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death.
Tomorrow, when resurrection comes,
The heart that is not in love will fail the test.
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The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny.
~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir

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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: PocketLady] * 1
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PocketLady said:
Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Matthew 7:13-14


Ah, are you listening?


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: BayerPhi] * 1
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I don’t buy all this false love, Christian Shit, Christians, have been, the most hateful, people that have come into my lives, they hurt people, their love is false they say they love you one moment and Tarnish God’s reputation right and left saying he associates with the devil, and demons and hate people that aren’t in the same religion as them. I’ve been to church my whole life and I will tell you Christian’s are the most people, so are Baptists, and pretty much every religion I’ve encountered. They believe in Seperation. And hate everybody else who isn’t in there religion as them. Who are right, I guess no one are right, and the Universal Conscioussness, and Collective Conscioussness growth, and Evolution, Will not tolerate this shit until, all religion is dissolved and we return to Humanity. That’s my take on it, all religion believes in seperate God’s....................... last I checked we all came from the same God and come from the same God. God is Good but religion divides, and seperates turning us against eachother, will you stop this hate, and realize people for being people and stop all of your hate for other humans and their religion infinitely forever more so all this bullshit stops dont telll me i cant cuss im a grown man and cussing points to something dramatic that real words cant do although it’s not necessary just dont tell me what to do and stop threatening me of hell, I dont buy that bullshit. I can explain to you what, God looks like and the holy spirit and the trinity and Son of God Looks Like But You Wouldn’t believe me............ A true religious person doesn’t threaten people with hell fire, they are beyond all that, trust me I’ve studied like every religion on this planet, not because I am a sinner, But because, I am an explorer, hahahaha. :smile:

Tell me one thing you will serve God forevermore and make him happy by not theeatening your brother humanity with Hell Fire Ever Again It honestly is not your decision and a God, would never and can never house any Demons, or Devils or Hell’s in his Place. His Home is Good and is a white building filled with white light, inside and out, come on its so easy just step over the veil, and realize who you are and what you mean to this reality, its easy it takes, no effort at all, just awareness that’s it. Unaware are you the creator has been clearing your energy field like non stop, ever since the day you were born and before, Removing all the pain, from you, resistant AF, are you and Resistant to Life are you and the Universes and All of Creation. Have you Ever Gotten an Animal and Do You Understand The Languages of These Animals........ How do you know what, they are thinking, and when they need food, Well the Creator is there for you looking out for their food and you infinitely is your destiny. You can understand what Animals are saying not in the language of sound but in the language of love and logic it’s easy they are just spitting songs of love, havent you noticed that the languages of these birds and chimps and other Animal’s always resembles a language of love, unlike you, who have abandoned reality and lost all hopes in the name of religion, you should be ashamed of yourselves, for dethroning this God and ruining reality and calling us the sinners when your witchcraft called all religion is the pure sin, of this reality. If this doesnt make sense why we shouldnt ever or never seperate ourselves from ourselves then it will just let it sneak in and creep up on you and understand what you’ve done True Sin of Christ. I get it its nice to worship God, and nothing wrong with that, its just just remove the whole hell from your mind. The logic behind why people need to go to Hell, and other’s don’t need to goto Hell is purely wicked and purely evil, last I checked God, does not associate with Evil it just doesnt seem right and that would make him evil too, and i believe and you believe and we all believe together united together forever that this shit is plainly not true, lol.


Thanks for listening I truly appreciate you, I’m not saying to abandon Religion, although I am saying to abandon Religion, lol the conundrum but believe in destiny and the Creator more than some book that says Jesus Christ is the God of this Reality, Some Human who got the death penalty, I might be wrong but it hurts to say your right and although your right fuck everyone else everyone else is wrong, do you see the conundrum in this, I’m not saying you have to go Atheist, But you don’t ever have to attach yourself in force or doubt or loss of love or, deadly reasons, you don’t have to force an experience to meet with the Creator, your time will come and it will be sweet, and you will know the purpose of life, to not hate your brother, to not hate me for sharing my thoughts, and not hating 99%-100% of these shroomerities trying to find there way in life just, like you. You do not have to be a priest, You do not have to be anything but you do have to help Humanity any way you can and thats why you’ve been trying to help humanity, by saving people, and i infinitely respect you for that, my brother i love you oh so, much, God, I love you. The thing is you can still worship God without Religion and Hate, I’m not a devil but I learned a lot. I dont hate you even though you Christians might hate my guts right now but last I checked the bible says to love your enemies instead of hate them where’s that love for me? I’m honestly waiting, okay times up, it honestly may never happen, may you love your brother and not buy and defend constantly harassing your brother, generation fictitious stories of hate and lack of love and light, aloha!

Edited by Connection (02/29/20 01:46 AM)

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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: Connection] * 1
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Shhhhh. Listen, brother. Quiet the hydra.


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: Connection] * 1
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You've just proved message of Christ to be the only truth ; ) Have a good day.

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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: Connection] * 2
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You ever think some of those people claim to be something they aren’t?  Even to the point they fool themselves into thinking it?  By the fruit of a man’s actions you will know his heart.  I can claim to be a body builder, you take one look and clearly see I am not, does that mean bodybuilding is a bullshit lie?  I don’t think so.

Do the work yourself, even if you stand alone.  The book clearly speaks of all these things, it gives plenty of warnings.  Do yourself a favor and instead of thinking of hell as some sort of spanking look at it as a result of a particular behavior that ends in disaster.... like skydiving without a parachute.  Clearly if I warn you of death due to skydiving without a parachute it’s not because I’m some meanie... 1+1=2

How has the secular mind frame worked out?  Look around.  The world is fucked, and people are suffering for absolutely no reason.  Would you call that sanity?  People serving themselves at the expense of others?

Walk the walk, put in the work.  Stop judging based off people’s actions who are clearly failing.  Take a second to acknowledge you’re alive.  Or don’t, that is all up to you. 

Proverbs 14:12 - There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death


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