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I only have family and a slight community feeling in my life, no friends anymore, yet I do not feel alone and my functionality is increasing, not decreasing, in my seeming solitude, which is really a kind of wholeness to me.

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circastes said:

To all those Self-realised shroomerites out there, do you ever feel alone?

I only have family and a slight community feeling in my life, no friends anymore, yet I do not feel alone and my functionality is increasing, not decreasing, in my seeming solitude, which is really a kind of wholeness to me.

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circastes said:

To all those Self-realised shroomerites out there, do you ever feel alone?

I only have family and a slight community feeling in my life, no friends anymore, yet I do not feel alone and my functionality is increasing, not decreasing, in my seeming solitude, which is really a kind of wholeness to me.

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I wonder how everyone on this page, responding to this subject, would get along if we were all gathered together. After the pleasantries had been exchanged, we would all begin to see our temperamental differences, but I wonder if this virtual community would lend sufficient grounds for all of us to sustain a sense of community. I've never had a sense of community, and a temporary visit is not the same thing as all living together in the same locale.

I don't know who can evaluate if someone is Self-Realized. This is very much a Hindu construct. However, Abraham Maslow did write at length within a psychological idiom about Self-Actualization, and the differences between people who were motivated by Being-Cognition versus the multitudes of those who are motivated by Deficiency-Cognition. B-Cognizers dwell at the "peak" (which is where psychedelics users got the term peak or peaking) of a hierarchy of needs after their "Deficiency Needs" have been met. Humans are social beings, but it has always been the case for me that I won't seek out people just to be with them if we have nothing in common, and by that, I mean nothing that I consider important in common.

When I was a child, we would play a variety of games. Very strange and magickal ones arose when I was pre-school age with my friend Paul. We'd play army, sometimes with toys suggesting WW II, sometimes the Civil War. Sometimes I'd play 'space,' one of my favorites, just before NASA sent up Alan Shepherd and John Glenn. I'd get themes from those 1950s sic-fi films. Sometimes we'd just go out in the woods and explore, look for crawfish in Bear Brook, or salamanders. If everyone on this page got together, I wonder if we would play 'yoga' for a while or 'philosophy,' while we debate, or 'Don Juan,' and go about looking for power spots. Can anybody see our later interests in life as being another level of game-playing? Robert de Ropp wrote The Master Game about the games that are directed towards Self-Realization of Self-Actualization. Or does this question embarrass anyone?

In college I once complimented a neighbor on his new camera. "Nice toy" I said. He took offense! Some time later, he came to me and said that he understood that I wasn't being sarcastic or insulting. Perhaps he was just too invested in becoming a 'grown up' at that point, who don't have 'toys' anymore. I played with toy soldiers as a young boy, and now my home has a number of small statues that my wife refers to as my "dollies." It's funny to me, and true. Am I making ANY sense at all? Do you think we could all unabashedly (perhaps with the equalizing effect of 'shrooms) enter a space where we are adult children playing games together with joy, but also with purpose?

Kickle said:

Not likely in my estimation. I'm one of those rare typologies that appears to others as extroverted (warm, authentic, gregarious) while in actuality I am highly introverted. My own girlfriend claims I am highly gregarious and yet I feel anything but. I am warm and authentic because it minimizes conflict, both internal and external, and acts as my personal approach to minimizing unnecessary stimulation. All the same, even with my ability to get along with nearly anyone in person, there is little mutually beneficial play I have found. Many are simply not interested in anything beyond their personal self interests. The rare few who can give and get, rather than simply take or use, make great playmates. But it seems exceedingly common for those in my age range to feel a serious sense of entitlement. Of birthright for greatness, or similar inflation of circumstances. And I see taking and using as par for the course when feeling so much self worth. Just more fuel for the consumer fires we're destined to burn in I suppose.

We are mostly introverts at this forum. I have fine rapport with others, including adolescents and animals. You seem to be identifying with your generational idiosyncrasies. Generation X, or are you a Millennial? I am a Baby Boomer. My parents didm't phone an employer of college admissions office to question why I wasn't accepted. I have inadvertently benefitted from being a white, middle class American born in the 1950s, grown up during the turbulent 60s, and come of age in the 1970s. I have in fact been entitled, but I never self-consciously experienced myself as being superior or entitled to anything I didn't earn. The world is competitive. I was fortunate enough to have held the same job for almost 27 years! Unprecedented, and no longer a possibility in this generation. But I am speaking to us as Homo Ludens, 'man as player,' but not in the modern sense of womanizer.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_ludens ; I 'play' at being a meditator, yogi, alchemist, or scholar. I do not derive any material benefit from these things, in fact, these conform to the 5 characteristics in the book Homo Ludens. Before responding to you, I knew only the term, I didn't even realize there was a book that originated it, and I don't mean to derail this thread by going on a tangent, but:

Characteristics of play:

1. Play is free, is in fact freedom.
2. Play is not “ordinary” or “real” life.
3. Play is distinct from “ordinary” life both as to locality and duration.
4. Play creates order, is order. Play demands order absolute and supreme.
5. Play is connected with no material interest, and no profit can be gained from it.

Work 'friends' have not usually turned out to be real friends, but maybe that is just my karmic predicament. I am more 'serious' about play than about climbing a corporate ladder or about raising a family, the two most important Freudian motivations "love and work." Of course I've had to work for a living, but I remained content to stay in a position that was 'playful' to a large extent. I was free to work with kids without the strict guidelines of say, being a classroom teacher, whose milieu I worked in. I have become spoiled work wise. I lost my enjoyable position and would rather face financial loss now than lose my freedom to 'play' counselor and become a classroom teacher for the first time. No way! By play I do not mean anything other than The Master Game in action. Helping kids has been serious business, although clearly, it was not always grave business (e.g., abuse, death, crisis), but I could be free and spontaneous in work.

So, here, I am talking about playing nicely with each other, and if that skill has not been taught, it could certainly be learned from those who know how to share, and to take turns. It's like that book Everything I Need to Know I Learned in Kindergarten.

Psilopsychosis said:

Thanks man I really appreciate that. I really do.


Thing is though, is that I talk to a psychiatrists, psychologists and other mental health professionals at least once every two weeks. I don't have any crushing depression and I don't struggle with symptoms anymore, I am just lonely.

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then work on becoming more extrovert.

are you afraid of approaching strangers? learn to jump over your shadow.


thinking that one is lonely is clearly delusional in a sense, because... nothing is seperating us. you can walk out the door and talk to people. nothing is holding you back but your personal delusions

Psilopsychosis said:

Thanks man I really appreciate that. I really do.


Thing is though, is that I talk to a psychiatrists, psychologists and other mental health professionals at least once every two weeks. I don't have any crushing depression and I don't struggle with symptoms anymore, I am just lonely.

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Well, if you found yourself in South Florida, you'd have a few Shroomerites to hang with. We're all the same boat, so-to-speak, and like a club or a church, we'd all have our differences, but we'd all have some important things in common. Meanwhile, here we are.

moi said:

Psilopsychosis said:

Thanks man I really appreciate that. I really do.


Thing is though, is that I talk to a psychiatrists, psychologists and other mental health professionals at least once every two weeks. I don't have any crushing depression and I don't struggle with symptoms anymore, I am just lonely.

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then work on becoming more extrovert.

are you afraid of approaching strangers? learn to jump over your shadow.


thinking that one is lonely is clearly delusional in a sense, because... nothing is seperating us. you can walk out the door and talk to people. nothing is holding you back but your personal delusions

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circastes said:

To all those Self-realised shroomerites out there

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What? Where?

MarkostheGnostic said:

We are mostly introverts at this forum. I have fine rapport with others, including adolescents and animals. You seem to be identifying with your generational idiosyncrasies. Generation X, or are you a Millennial? I am a Baby Boomer. My parents didm't phone an employer of college admissions office to question why I wasn't accepted. I have inadvertently benefitted from being a white, middle class American born in the 1950s, grown up during the turbulent 60s, and come of age in the 1970s. I have in fact been entitled, but I never self-consciously experienced myself as being superior or entitled to anything I didn't earn. The world is competitive. I was fortunate enough to have held the same job for almost 27 years! Unprecedented, and no longer a possibility in this generation. But I am speaking to us as Homo Ludens, 'man as player,' but not in the modern sense of womanizer.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_ludens ; I 'play' at being a meditator, yogi, alchemist, or scholar. I do not derive any material benefit from these things, in fact, these conform to the 5 characteristics in the book Homo Ludens. Before responding to you, I knew only the term, I didn't even realize there was a book that originated it, and I don't mean to derail this thread by going on a tangent, but:

Characteristics of play:

1. Play is free, is in fact freedom.
2. Play is not “ordinary” or “real” life.
3. Play is distinct from “ordinary” life both as to locality and duration.
4. Play creates order, is order. Play demands order absolute and supreme.
5. Play is connected with no material interest, and no profit can be gained from it.

Work 'friends' have not usually turned out to be real friends, but maybe that is just my karmic predicament. I am more 'serious' about play than about climbing a corporate ladder or about raising a family, the two most important Freudian motivations "love and work." Of course I've had to work for a living, but I remained content to stay in a position that was 'playful' to a large extent. I was free to work with kids without the strict guidelines of say, being a classroom teacher, whose milieu I worked in. I have become spoiled work wise. I lost my enjoyable position and would rather face financial loss now than lose my freedom to 'play' counselor and become a classroom teacher for the first time. No way! By play I do not mean anything other than The Master Game in action. Helping kids has been serious business, although clearly, it was not always grave business (e.g., abuse, death, crisis), but I could be free and spontaneous in work.

So, here, I am talking about playing nicely with each other, and if that skill has not been taught, it could certainly be learned from those who know how to share, and to take turns. It's like that book Everything I Need to Know I Learned in Kindergarten.

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Millennial. I wiki'd it