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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Offlinedr0mni
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Re: What came first; time or god? [Re: MystikMushroom]
    #5414982 - 03/18/06 01:17 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

In my Into to Philosophy class we talked about how the "First Cause" argument was sort of a misinterpretation of what Aquinas was trying to say. Instead it can be better summed up in the "Ultimate Explaination" account of God; that everything in the universe can be understood and explained, and that the chain of encompassing explainations must end somewhere, thus God as the Ultimate foundation of existence and understanding.


As for the original post? To ask which came first, Time or God, is a self negating question. You are implying that Time and God are events ON A TIMELINE! If Time (with a capital T) can be placed on a timeline then we aren't really talking about the beginning of Time now are we?

Before and after only make sense WITHIN Time. It is nonsensical to discuss before and after OUTSIDE of time.


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Re: What came first; time or god? [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #5415301 - 03/18/06 07:41 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Cause and effect are a function of time.

Anything that exists before time, cannot have a cause, so it simply exists.



Two simple lines, but not easy to grasp!


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Re: What came first; time or god? [Re: Asante]
    #5649129 - 05/19/06 04:42 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

god is a string err theory


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Re: What came first; time or god? [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #5649886 - 05/19/06 11:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

god existed before time, and will continue to exist after time.


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Re: What came first; time or god? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5649918 - 05/19/06 12:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Time is manmade to a certain degree. We made it up so we could control our workers, schedule meetings, cut the day in many pieces. The gods are eternal. And without a feeling of time, human beigns would be eternal as well.


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Re: What came first; time or god? [Re: Lord_Shiva]
    #5650356 - 05/19/06 01:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I havent read any of the posts beforehand I just wanted to say this...
"Time" is a human attempt to measure in ticks and tocks something that is non linear. This is proven by altered states, especially by psychadelics. When a human is segregated from other humans, and is totally alone, usually apart from finding a source of food and shelter, they will attempt to establish a time structure.

I dont think the "creator" made the concept of time...its just something we try to percieve to make sense of things. Hell, its 2006 and we STILL cant make up a good calendar. Leap days, and losing/gaining hours and such, hahaha. Silly humans....


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Re: What came first; time or god? [Re: FungusMan]
    #5651541 - 05/19/06 08:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Time is eternal, never ending or beginning.

God has yet to be proven real.


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Re: What came first; time or god? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #5651589 - 05/19/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

there was no time before the big bang, and there will be no time after the great collapse, if indeed that ever happens.


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Re: What came first; time or god? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5651667 - 05/19/06 09:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Three pages and no comment on the relative nature of time?

God is everywhere, right? Or everything? Or are folks saying that god exists outside of, independant of the universe and hence time?

I bet he's really fast.


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Re: What came first; time or god? [Re: toastandjam]
    #5651681 - 05/19/06 10:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"if you've done three imposible things this morning, why not have breakfast at Millways, the Restaurant at the End of the Universe!"


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Re: What came first; time or god? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5656148 - 05/21/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

DoctorJ said:
there was no time before the big bang, and there will be no time after the great collapse, if indeed that ever happens.




This statement makes no sense. Like someone else said, there cannot be a before and after without time.


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