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how many real christians are there?
    #5712849 - 06/04/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Ok so i see so many christians who believe simply out of fear or ignorance, they dont think about it at all. My question is this, are these real christians? In my opinion these kind of people will believe in any kind of fear mongering nonsense, so they dont count. Also, christians, when you try and get people to believe in your religeon, what kind of people do you think will go for it? the weak willed, mindless sheep type of people? yep! so heres the ironic part part of it, the real believers, learn pretty quick that the organized part of christianity.. lacks something. So, how many real christians are there?


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the principle of authority" was the "eminently theological, metaphysical and political idea that the masses, always incapable of governing themselves, must submit at all times to the benevolent yoke of a wisdom and a justice, which in one way or another, is imposed from above."
"no one should be entrusted with power, inasmuch as anyone invested with authority must . . . became an oppressor and exploiter of society."


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: secretmachine]
    #5712958 - 06/04/06 09:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Actually i have been privileged to meet one of the 'God named' people(book of revelation). She told me that it really doesn't matter what you believe. God will. If you are to be evil then so be it. You are still a bringer of the light. As for "real Christians" there are none. They are either Jews or others. From what i under stand of history.


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: LostandFound]
    #5712985 - 06/04/06 09:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i like that, what she told you is one of the deepest truths that i have learned in all my spiritual endeavors. It really doesnt matter who or what you are, or what you do. It is all part of reality. Even the bad people are there for a reason.


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the principle of authority" was the "eminently theological, metaphysical and political idea that the masses, always incapable of governing themselves, must submit at all times to the benevolent yoke of a wisdom and a justice, which in one way or another, is imposed from above."
"no one should be entrusted with power, inasmuch as anyone invested with authority must . . . became an oppressor and exploiter of society."


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: secretmachine]
    #5713009 - 06/04/06 10:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I would call myself a real Christian, as my faith comes from my personal experience of Christ, rather than fear of damnation. I don't try to convert people, because I think that others may have their own path that's better for them. I simply try to live as one who is with Christ, and set a positive example for others.


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5713206 - 06/04/06 10:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Honestly, my belief is that there are only 36 real christians on the face of the earth at any given moment.
Although the spirit moves among alot of different people.

Or to put it another way, at all times upon the face of the earth, somewhere is someone at One with Christ Consciousness- 36 someones to be exact, but the force may only reside in an occupant for a few moments at a time.

Like they say somewhere on earth lightning is always connected between the land and sky, somewhere lightning is always connected to earth, in more than one place in fact.
the same is true for christians.
such is my belief.

the number of true christians is a low number, not a high one.

there is also the belief that transcendentally we are more than one person.
it is possible that each person is actually part of a being that is many people at once simultaneously.
sort of like a bone cell not realizing that the sinew is sort of an extension of itself in the end.

so, in saying their are only 36 true christians at any given time upon the face of the earth, it also suggest that each of these maybe 4,000 people.


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: Telepylus]
    #5713283 - 06/04/06 11:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I have been pondering this same question for some time now after being expelled from bible college a few years ago for heresy. I don't know about the 36 Christians philosophy, but I do believe there are very few who actually want to follow Christ for any reason other then escaping hell. When we insist that whatever is different than standard church doctrine is heretical and against christianity the reality of God is hidden. The Bible tells us to test our faith, why do we believe what we believe, no two people should have the same answer. I never try to convert people to christianity, I simply talk to people to see if they will believe in anything other then themselves and what they know of reality, I never even mention God, if they are chosen by him, and willing to accept him all they need to believe is that there is some power out there greater then themselves, and that power will reveal itself. Telling someone to be "saved" they just have to go to church every week, listen to a tired preacher give a tired sermon, sing a couple of songs and go home is like telling someone they can become a shaman by reading Carlos Casteneda. The truth is in the Spirit, the teacher, who reveals himself to everyone who desires to know the truth....but few do.


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: secretmachine]
    #5713333 - 06/04/06 11:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Well, I don't know about the inward aspects of this, but I do know that I've met a few Christians who honestly act as they believe. This type seems to be genuinely decent people who practice what they preach. Of course, I've also met a few hypocritical shits as well, but I digress.


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: Telepylus]
    #5713358 - 06/04/06 11:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Honestly, I think there are more real Christians who follow Christ's teachings than it seems. The hateful, close-minded ones are the most vocal, and get the most attention, but I think there are plenty of Christians who are kind, loving people, and don't feel the need to announce their faith to everyone.


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: ngnyus]
    #5713387 - 06/04/06 11:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The concept of the sacred 36 is not new.
There is an ancient jewish mystical story that there are 36 individuals who are sort of like autistics, very sensitive and strange, and their dream is all there is upholding the universe.
There are many similiar myths.

To me, it's not what i'd call a "belief" or a "myth"
it's what i'm seeing with my own two eyes

the way i see things, the bible isnt really taught much at all on the earth, because it's very powerful
i can't express it's power in this post
but it's like a time machine, or a space ship
does your preacher mention anything about time machines or space ships?

jesus talks all about time, and transcending space, and all kinds of cool stuff like that.
also, church is supposed to be a symbol of the womb itself.
inside you are made sinless and whole, and you are reborn when you come out.
does you pastor ever mention sex, or the womb?

if you answered no to any of the questions, then you're not dealing with a true christian.
because that is the main focus of christianity.
understanding time & eternity, and life & sex(womanhood).


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: Telepylus]
    #5716207 - 06/05/06 07:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I disagree almost entirely with the last post (no offense to you telepylus) I was a preacher, and there are still tapes of my sermons floating around in Africa, and I believe I always taught the truth of the Bible, no matter who I offended (and I offended quite a few, read my last post) but I have always been different then the normal churchgoer, I am a part time tattoo artist, and therefore nearly covered with tattoos, not to mention my belief that all plants are from God and therefore all have a use, and the thing that most bothered me about the average christian was the hypocritical heir that came along side it most of the time......so what makes us less hypocritical to say who is or isn't a christian? Don't get me wrong this is a very cool thread IMOP, but I honestly believe that hypocrisy resides in the heart of every man or woman. In order to transcend this we have to have a constant and REAL understanding of who Christ is to us today, and that is and should be a constantly changing thing. Sorry, I digress that is the first time I've said anything "preachy" in a long time but it's true.
P.S. telypylus, I don't believe your talking about christians, especially if your sources are jewish cabbalism, they do not believe in the same christ the christians do, if they believe in the christ at all.


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: ngnyus]
    #5716692 - 06/05/06 09:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i see there are millions of passive christians who live by faith yes.

and there are a few active christians who actually touch the miracle of christ, and witness miracles,

there are people who seem to have proof of christ
and others who just believe

sure they are all christians
but since we're entertaining the term "True Christians"
i thought i'd throw the idea out there

as i said the story of the 36 is similar to the jewish mysticism
it was a story that jesus held close to his heart
do you think he didn't study cabbalism, lol
if you think jesus didn't study cabbalism extensively, then you've been misguided.

you mention hypocricy in one breath then in the next suggest that these people "they" "do not believe in the same christ the christians do, if they believe in christ at all."

almost as if to say, "you're not the authority, but i am" lol

and no i don't take offense if you disagree with me, 99.99% of people do disagree with me, lol

i'm of the opinion that most people who claim a connection to christ, in reality, have none whatsoever.

i'm a minister myself, and i think it's fun to go to different churches and listen.
the best sermons, and the best preachers, are always ministering over tiny congregations of devout worshippers.
chances are, if you come across a huge church with hundreds of members, and youth groups, and all that jazz, it's nothing but a money machine and it has nothing to do with christ or god.
Are you to have us believe all these idiots are close with christ and god? lol
christ and god are very powerful, and not so concerned with people working 9-5 and waxing the car, and whatever it is average trendy people do, lol

many believe that you don't even have to read the bible, you can just say you give your life to jesus, and that's all you gotta do.
i don't see it that way.
being involved with christ, or being a "true christian" means being "christ-like" (christed)

and there's a strange thing that happens when people start to become "christ-like" they also seem to appear to be very anti-christ like- because of the strange ideas floating around out there about christianity.

it is true though yea, i don't really call what i believe christianity.
christ doesn't call his beliefs christianity either,
he calls them "the way of heaven, the way of the father, the law of love, etc..."


in a nutshell
what i'm saying is
the catholic church is not performing the eucharist properly
nor is christian baptism being performing properly
or any of the duties that God has commanded
and i can prove it! lol


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: Telepylus]
    #5716759 - 06/05/06 09:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Telepylus said:
in a nutshell
what i'm saying is
the catholic church is not performing the eucharist properly
nor is christian baptism being performing properly
or any of the duties that God has commanded
and i can prove it!  lol



Hey, I finally agree with you on something. lol
All I was saying about cabbalists is they are and were JEWS.  Not christians.  Cabbalism is a sect of the jewish religion which does not believe that the Christ has come, and there is debate as to wether or not the christ is to be a real or metaphorical thing, you got me wrong there, I'm not putting any judgement on them at all, they simply don't believe in Jesus, the foundation of christianity.  But what gives you the authority to say that they are closer to true christianity than the pastor of a mega-church (personal I think these are an outrage, but that's not my point),  I don't believe ANYONE has it right, and especially, emphatically, those who think they do have it right.
edit.'
:rofl:Two "ministers" arguing christianity on an illegal drug site :rofl:
just struck me as funny.


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: ngnyus]
    #5718150 - 06/06/06 07:58 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Well, the reaswon i started this thread is because i felt disgusted that the right wing christians, who dont know what they are talking about, have so much power in this country. I hate being represented to the world by a crazy texan. Re: the bible, it does ahve alot of good stories in it, and its crazy how after all i've learned alone, i look at the bible symbolically and it fits perfectly. But, thats not to say, since the bible says good things, that the *religeon* itself is good. Afterall the religeon came around much after the book, and jesus himself wanted no religion made around his teachings in the first place. Ok, so i do all this studying for years and years, and then some arrogant christian (because they are saved or someething? i dont get it) comes around and tells me im going to hell because i dont follow their rituals, despite the fact they are completely and utterly full of it.. Anyways, /rant off.


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the principle of authority" was the "eminently theological, metaphysical and political idea that the masses, always incapable of governing themselves, must submit at all times to the benevolent yoke of a wisdom and a justice, which in one way or another, is imposed from above."
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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: secretmachine]
    #5719181 - 06/06/06 02:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

jesus came back to tell people they were going to hell too, lol

the priesthood (sanhedron)
and the king (ceasar)

this is where irony and paradox creeps in

chances are that the so-called christians of today, would be responsible for crucifying him again today,
because they wouldn't even recognize him-
(imagine what would happen if a man came who had a magic wand that could heal blindness or cancer- are you so foolish to believe that the world would cope with it? it would wipe out the economy of the world by erasing the medical profession and education system that basically thrives off of human suffering. you know more people make a living off of cancer than are actually dying from it?)

jesus doesn't come to pat everyone on the back for what a good job their doing.
he comes when things are just about as wrong and bad as they can be.
therefore, if the right wing christians are calling you evil- chances are better that are actually doing something right.
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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: Telepylus]
    #5719643 - 06/06/06 04:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

So, how many real christians are there?

Ro 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

A remnant.

God's elect are greatly scattered, especially at the end of the world.

All those who had not a love for the truth of the gospel, those who brought in damnable heresies, those who resisted God's testimony and His witnesses, those who scoffed at sin, shall be punished with everlasting destruction.

2 Thes 4-10
So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: fivepointer]
    #5720008 - 06/06/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

lol, yea.
Our Lord is coming soon.

And the Spirit and the bride say, Come.
And let him that heareth say, Come.
And let him that is athirst come.
And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: Telepylus]
    #5720308 - 06/06/06 07:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Hey fivepointer, what's a damnable heresy. You seem to know your Bible well, as do I (I read the New Testament in the original koinia Greek). But that term has been thrown around for centuries to burn people at the stake for such things as saying the church is not allowed to take a payment and thereby "cancel" someone's sin! Doesn't it say all one needs to be saved is to believe in their heart and confess with their mouth that Jesus is Lord? Just in case you didn't know YES IT DOES! I was expelled from Bible college for openly pointing out in a Greek class that the two accounts of the conversion of Paul in the book of Acts directly contradict each other even in the original language. Am I going to hell, HAHAHA, I know otherwise. We don't let ourselves question what we believe because we're so afraid that it might be heresy, but even in the books in the new testament directly speaking to the Gnostic's are only a warning that they are going the wrong way. The mention of damnation for heresy in the bible involves only two things, telling people they have to follow old testament law to be saved and making up "clever lies" to extract money from their flock. I see both of these in approximately half the modern churches, and one or the other in probably another 25 percent( yea, I've been to a lot of churches, I was quite an impressive preacher). I could sit here and quote the bible all night long but this is no Sunday service and I hung up my hat on the preaching thing, I nearly lost my entire family over it.


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: ngnyus]
    #5721813 - 06/07/06 02:19 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Doesn't it say all one needs to be saved is to believe in their heart and confess with their mouth that Jesus is Lord?

Which Jesus? Many people have created a god and jesus that simply doesn't exist. How can you confess if the thing your confessing is an idol of the imagination? What if a person says Jesus was a Martian and really believes it, does this mean they are saved?

We don't let ourselves question what we believe because we're so afraid that it might be heresy, but even in the books in the new testament directly speaking to the Gnostic's are only a warning that they are going the wrong way.

The warnings against the Gnostics are very clear, they are called antichrists, they are not simply going the wrong way, the teaching is a damnable heresy.

Let me explain the term damnable heresy. Salvation is not contingent on the sinner in any way. I am not saying that if a person gets all the right doctrine that this somehow activates salvation. Right doctrine is the immediate evidence of salvation, the cause is the sovereign grace of God.


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: fivepointer]
    #5721943 - 06/07/06 04:07 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I'll tell you how I gauge for "True Christians".

If you examine the Bible & Gospel, and your intellect is sophisticated enough to grapple with it a little bit, you are going to have some really incredible mind blowing ideas in your head.
Talk of Miracles and Angels and the Devil.

You will know you are talking to a "True Christian" when this person utterly blows your mind.
And if he's not blowing your mind because he's dribbling on about some scripture that obviously has no meaning to the listeners, he maybe a christian yea, but he's not an active participant of the sublime mystery happening all the time, and miracles happening all around.
And he's not going to be in a fancy suit, and he won't touch gold, and he won't be found in some huge congregation, he'll be walking with whores and sick children, and other people who are super serious about the Work of God.
he'll be entering into trance like states and bringing back truckloads of newly discovered metaphysical plot lines, which really never amount to more than a retelling of ancient ones, but seem new because he's in tune with the everchanging absolute.

i know some names of some famous people, artists, or rock stars, or actors, who i gauge as "True Christians" (of the sacred 36)
but i will not mention their names
mostly because of the way such information is so commonly mishandled.

have you ever met someone who blew your mind?
or maybe an artist.

there is another old mystical jewish story
that if it be that a man could write a perfect song
one that was heard by the whole world, and loved by the world
even so that maybe somewhere on the earth that song is probably even playing on someones radio or cd right at this very moment
that meant being in very close proximity with God, even right beside the throne in the high heaven.

have you ever known an artist to touch your spirit so deeply?
a genius powerful enough to send secret signals hidden within music, or brushstrokes, or poetry, seemingly directly into your soul- like for your eyes only even, lol.
i wonder if anybody here knows what i'm talkin' about


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: Telepylus]
    #5724072 - 06/07/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Five pointer said
"Which Jesus? Many people have created a god and jesus that simply doesn't exist."
, thats exactly my point, what makes you so sure your not one of them (I'm not trying to be judgemental by saying that, my goal is to just make everyone honestly ponder that question) Why do Christians tend to believe exactly as their told. Don't you know that 1200 years the only church there was was the roman catholic church, which attempted Islamic genocide, burned people at the stake for studying science, excepted payment instead of repentance for forgiveness of sins, and countless other crimes against God, all in his name, and the modern church is all grown from this seed with only a few modifications. Read closely the scriptures speaking against false teachers and false prophets, half of them describe gnostics, that is true, but the other half describe the modern church. Dang it fivepointer, you got me to quote scripture on a drug site, the Bible says;
1 Timothy 4 1-3
Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons. These people are hypocrites and liars, and their consciences are dead. They say it is wrong to be married and wrong to eat certain foods (mushrooms maybe, sorry for the edit) But God created those foods to be eaten with thanks by faithful people who know the truth. Since EVERYTHING God created is good, we should not reject any of it but recieve it with thanks.
Sounds to me like a pretty good description of typical modern christianity

You say "The warnings against the Gnostics are very clear, they are called antichrists, they are not simply going the wrong way, " the Bible says;
Revelations 3, 20-22
But I have this complaint against you. You are permitting that woman- that Jezebel who calls herself a prophet- to lead my servants astray. She teaches them to commit sexual sin and to eat food oferred to idols. I GAVE HER TIME TO REPENT, but she does not want to turn away from her immorality. Therefore, I will throw her on a bed of suffering, and those who commit adultery with her will suffer greatly UNLESS THEY REPENT and turn away from her evil ways.
A warning. Harsh, yes, but I am not supporting gnosticism, only opened mindedness.
I believe I am a very good Christian, perfect?, far from it, but I believe that when Jesus said that " these signs will follow those who believe in me will cast out demons heal the sick and raise the dead" he meant it. I believe the reason this rarely ever happens anymore is because the church is stunted, we blindly believe what we are told out of fear, without asking why we should or do.


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: fivepointer]
    #5724101 - 06/07/06 07:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: Telepylus]
    #5724168 - 06/07/06 07:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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have you ever known an artist to touch your spirit so deeply?
a genius powerful enough to send secret signals hidden within music, or brushstrokes, or poetry, seemingly directly into your soul- like for your eyes only even, lol.
i wonder if anybody here knows what i'm talkin' about



I do very much so but I am unsure of the intentions of this band, does the opposite hold true with works of evil being released through music? also they have been known to sing harsh songs against Jesus/religion.....


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: leery11]
    #5724693 - 06/07/06 09:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

that's a very good question.

the dark force utilizes art too, and sends it's own signals out.
i will give you an example- Tool.
Maynard is involved with the exact same sect as a few other musicians who work with light.
although these two different forces seem opposite, they are in fact the part of the same sect.
(i don't pay much attention to tool, but in some circles i hear that he is trying to join with the light permanently, but i can't say for sure)

when we step out of this system, there is no good and evil really.
however within our dualistic system, it manifests that way.
the irony is that both sides are working for the same team.
There is no Devil and God, there is only one God.
The purpose of the darkness is to always try to take over the light.
If the darkness wasn't there, there would be nothing for the light to press up against, to play tug-of-war with.
so in the end, the two are actually one.
but that doesn't change the fact that here on earth, we have sides to choose.
And it works like this, there are 4 sides.
1. The Light. Obeys the Order of God, and works his will without compromise.
2. The Dark. When dishonesty becomes a source of power, it's Dark.
3. Both. These people will switch from Light to Dark at their whim.
4. Neither. The vast majority of people, 99% of them, are content to just idly sit back and watching things unfold, never choosing any side whatsoever. They are totally neutral. And there is alot of wisdom in being that way.

I AM Light.
I may speak about alot of things that are Dark, but not because it's in me, but because I oppose my enemy well, and lovingly.
see how that works?

Once you understand how the Light and Dark will often share the same sect, then, you no longer need to worry about the concourse and cohesion of forces, like these musicians.
One is a total force of Light on this planet
The other, a major force of Darkness
Yet, they both enjoy each others music, and company.
They share the same belief system, and all they are doing after all is ART.
If the observer gets hurt because he's letting the force of the music own him, that is his problem, not the artists problem.
If you are a person who can become totally warped through someones art, it means you're sort of unstable anyways, like so many teens can be sometimes.


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: Telepylus]
    #5724769 - 06/07/06 09:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

ngnyus you should read King James Bible


for the title of this thread

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"Inspiration from Raghuvir....

What is your real work?

One individual who lives and vibrates to the energy of optimism and a
willingness to be non judgmental of others will counterbalance the
negativity of 90,000 individuals who calibrate at the lower weakening
levels.

One individual who lives and vibrates to the energy of pure love and
reverence for all of life will counterbalance the negativity of
750,000 individuals who calibrate at the lower weakening levels.

One individual who lives and vibrates to the energy of illumination,
bliss, and infinite peace will counterbalance the negativity of 10
million people who calibrate at the lower weakening levels
(approximately 22 such sages are alive today).

One individual who lives and vibrates to the energy of grace, pure
spirit beyond the body, in a world of non duality or complete oneness,
will counterbalance the negativity of 70 million people who calibrate
at the lower weakening levels (approximately 10 such sages are alive
today).

Wayne Dyer"


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: sleepy]
    #5724810 - 06/07/06 10:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I should read the king james bible huh, I prefer ancient greek.
edit. I simply quote from an easy to understand version, like I've said before I don't like to quote the bible cuz most people turn a deaf ear as soon as you do.


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    #5724822 - 06/07/06 10:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

well you didn't post ancient Greek u posted new international right


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: sleepy]
    #5726302 - 06/08/06 11:00 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

none, there are no real christians, cause god don't exist. :eek:


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: mack_tasticlies]
    #5726469 - 06/08/06 11:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

mmm no Christians are followers of the teachings of Jesus.

Even if Jesus didn't exist "he" still has teachings which can be followed, and he will exist in their minds and give them power and inspiration.


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: leery11]
    #5727026 - 06/08/06 02:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

How can you be a real christian if the very premise is a fantasy?


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: mack_tasticlies]
    #5727245 - 06/08/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

What isn't a fantasy?

Love doesn't exist but in our brains and bodies and minds as a chemical reaction......

can not the same be said true of God? Or perhaps instead of God we can call it endogenous DMT.

They say it is external. They say it is a man. They say he looks this way, talked that way, was born in this time, and had this name....

but perhaps that's not the big picture. Perhaps (aside from what I just saw in the film linked here about Christ not existing at all, and being a metaphor for zodiac phenomenon) the real Christ though is the man who looks into his heart and becomes transformed with universal love.

The real Christian is one who is transformed through faith in Jesus Christ into a very compassionate and loving spirit. Does it matter if Jesus Christ exists in the clouds and is scouting the Earth looking for new converts, or if he is just a concept in the mind?

Concepts in the mind are powerful, you know? Ever have a bad dream ? Bad trip? Monster under your bed?

The basic thing is this:
People are terrified of death and oppressive regimes.
Christ was the victim of both.
He said that through him, you can receive eternal life. By taking up your cross and encountering, overcoming, and transforming your wordly fears, giving up your ego.... crucifying your ego...... through whatever means.

He says that we are all prisoners to death, that the wages of sin (ignorance?) are death, and that he is the light and the way.

This means that inside each of us we are capable of freeing ourselves from the BIGGEST fear that we have ever been conditioned to having, a fear that is wholely irrational and keeps us in slavery.... a fear of the cross, and of the people that can put us on it.

And so "radical" is his idea of freedom that he basically says this... you want to be free of the cross? Do not hate the man that would put you on it. Love him. Love your deepest enemy as you would love yourself.

This love is liberating, if you can do that you are a free person, and you are certainly free from the constraints of death upon your psyche... it will be completely irrelevant to you. And with all these obstacles lifted you have access to mystical states of union with God right now in the present..... aka the "Kingdom of God" which is said to already be scattered on Earth, we just don't see it because we are ignorant and don't look.

You have a story of how to free yourself...... the literalist completely dogmatic expounding of scriptures of a corrupt church? No... but the basic stories that are layed down about Jesus? Yes! And all the more interesting if he isn't real, just a composite of how we are supposed to live personified into an easy story that people can understand....

I mean it does make sense. To me at least. The power is not in a person external of you, the power is in you. That's why they say "accept Christ into your heart" that's why they say "be transformed by the HOLY SPIRIT" ..... it doesn't entirely matter if its factual it's a guide on how to free yourself.

Christ didn't seem to want to be worshipped. He said take up your cross if you are to be my disciple.


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: leery11]
    #5727890 - 06/08/06 06:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

:congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats:
Now there's a true christian.


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: ngnyus]
    #5727943 - 06/08/06 06:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

well thank you, but I don't think so.

I'm not transformed or anything yet.... and I don't know what I believe in.... (plus I made a thread about Satan today lol!)

But that's how Christianity works from my mind. The key emphasis being on love.

I admit I keep trying to find faith in a sentient God and Christ, separate from me..... and keep being drawn away from the rigidity of the Bible.

Perhaps that's because I am a seeker and I should just meditate if I want to find God/Christ/Tao/Divine


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: leery11]
    #5728371 - 06/08/06 08:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Jesus said I am the truth and the light, I believe everyone who seeks those things will come to find Him in due time.


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: ngnyus]
    #5730263 - 06/09/06 11:02 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

hopefully

some strange stuff happened to me last night. random blurbs of information that seemed Biblically oriented coming in while I was dozing off. I couldn't recall most of it at the fact and now I can't recall any of it, but it's probably a good sign.


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: leery11]
    #5730551 - 06/09/06 12:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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hopefully

some strange stuff happened to me last night. random blurbs of information that seemed Biblically oriented coming in while I was dozing off. I couldn't recall most of it at the fact and now I can't recall any of it, but it's probably a good sign.




i need to tell you something.
usually it does indeed work like that.
you may experience deep vivid discourse with the Lord, or the Angel of the Lord. you may have sentences running through your mind that are so simple & perfect, it would change the world if mankind could hear.
if you try to hold it in your mind, and run for a pen and paper to write it down, it will slip right out of your thoughts.

this sort of discourse is calibrating your spiritual memory, and has nothing to do with your physical memory, which inevitably will be erased. Learn to hold the words of the Lord in your Heart, and not in your brain.


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: LostandFound]
    #5730651 - 06/09/06 12:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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....As for "real Christians" there are none. They are either Jews or others. From what i under stand of history.




:confused: :confused: What kind of history do you stand under??


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: secretmachine]
    #5731956 - 06/09/06 08:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me.


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: Jim]
    #5852551 - 07/12/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

ok so I definetly consider myself a "real christian" to be more specific roman catholic. I know this because I've been lucky enough to be a part of divine intervention. It kind of makes me sad thinking about it (explain further on)

So when I was 3 years old I had a tumor in my liver, I was taken to a couple doctors to look into my odd symptoms, came back with no results, then I was taken to this pediatrician (who is still my doc today) who immediatly felt this swelling or what not in my liver. He had me rushed to the hospital just because of this gut-feeling. Sure enough after many tests, and ultrasounds, they found a tumor in my liver. They came back with stats for my parents describing my chances of surviving. It all depended really if it was cancerous or not, luckily it was not. The surgeon warned my parents before surgery that I had less then 50% chance of making it through surgery. So now all my family comes and says there goodbye pretty much, then I go in. During this time everybody sat in the waiting room balling, praying, my mother screamin in a fit of anxiety. My grandpa grabs this black beaded rosary in a little black bag from the pile of everyone elses (very religous family) except for my grandpa who was protestant at the time. Well he starts to pray the rosary along with my family, his palms are clamy and sweaty, they pray for a good 2hours. The doctor comes out with the news on my surgery, everyone stands up and whatever, he proclaims the success. My grandpa looks down at the rosary and it was now made of wooden beads! It frickin transformed or somethin!! Well it was given to me as a gift on my confirmation. It was my prized possession, I shared the story with many close friends, and somehow I've lost it. It seems the longer Ive gone without it the more my faith has dimmed. I don't even go to church anymore... dang. Just by telling this it makes me want to start changin things for the better here.


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: musicturkey]
    #5989357 - 08/23/06 11:51 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I am new here. I am a real Christian. I know this because I asked Jesus to be my Savior. I accept Him and all the Bible says. Now, that being said, I am different from every other Christian I know. Like the last poster, I know God created everything-for good, not evil. I believe the animals are put here for food-not that I eat very much meat, though. And I also believe plants are here for all purposes. I have smoked marijuana on & off for 11 years. I have had many great times of felliowship with God while doing it. I do not condone chemical drugs, however-acid, extacy, etc. Those are duh-dangerous! I am very interested in trying mushrooms now. My sister-also a very strong Christian-did it last year and said it was the closest she has ever been to God. I believe He pput these types of things(peyote, too) on earth, for occassional usage to experience these times alone with him. Like the Indians do. I live in Western Washington and have been researching this for a few weeks now. I am now trying to figure out where to hunt. I go to church almost every Sunday, and nobody else talks like I do, so I keep it to myself. My husband-also a strong Christian, has the same views as I do, but he is military and cannot do these things. Anyway, I just wanted to put my 2 cents in! Real Christians are out there! We are not all hate mongers. We just believe what the Bible teaches, and we may not AGREE with the way some people choose to live, but, the real ones never hate!


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: secretmachine]
    #5989724 - 08/23/06 02:53 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"In reality there has only been one Christian, and he died on the cross."


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    #5989741 - 08/23/06 02:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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"In reality there has only been one Christian, and he died on the cross."



I thought he was a Jew. :shrug:


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    #5991948 - 08/24/06 08:21 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Hi, I just enjoyed reading your post, and then had the thought to remind that it *must* have been His will that you lose this anchor. Those transformed, wooden beads I can imagine would be such a wonderful something to have growing up, wow! They were/are your talisman. I suppose a new stage of challenge for you in your faith is in the why He allowed them to be lost. Brother everything will be okay, that's all i can know.


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    #5991954 - 08/24/06 08:25 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Jesus the Christ
The most complete or best Jew of all is also the very best (since perfect) person, man, brother, father, friend, lover ... wow! :smile:


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    #5992849 - 08/24/06 02:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I thought he was a Jew.

Ethnically? sure. But religiously, he always seemed rather un-Jewish to me.


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    #5993406 - 08/24/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

How so? He was definately a monotheist haha... Also was quoting from the Torah all the time. I guess he broke some religious rules that's for sure.


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: secretmachine]
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I'm real Christian meaning - part of The Holy Catholic Church, I've partaken in Holy Mass, in Holy Communion. I acknowledge my sin which is sin in accordance with The Holy Catholic Church definition which I believe is based on Word of God. I believe in God who is the the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Son who gave his earthly life and suffered to bring us closer to him.


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    #26503508 - 02/25/20 04:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The appellation of Christian has become as useless and misleading as the English word love. People say I love this food, I love my car, I love my child, I love my wife the same way. At least the ancient Greeks had at least 7 different words for love. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/hide-and-seek/201606/these-are-the-7-types-love ;

I struggled with religious development and alienated my entire Reformed and Conservative Jewish family when I (1) took a Catholic baptism, and (2) entered a United Methodist seminary to earn a Masters in Theological Studies degree. My family was entirely cultural Jews, no religious folk, but each of them had their own subjective understanding of what Christian meant. I was not being anti-Jewish in a spiritual sense (nobody wore prayer shawls or skull-caps in my family anyway) but both old and young, aunts & uncles and cousins thought I was rejecting Jewish culture. Neither was I pretending to be a non-Jew. One aunt escaped Nazi Germany just in time and I think she may have equated Gentile with Christian in an erroneous way and taught my 3 female cousins the same. So they may have believed I was a self-loathing Jew and after their mother told them about Nazi Germany my 'deviation' would be too much to tolerate.

What I loathed was Jewish exclusivism, tribalism, reactionary superiority  ("chosen people' are actually called  "a stiff-necked people," which is not a compliment), and the failure to consider that Iesous, Y'shua, was a type of Jewish role model, not to mention possibly the prophesied Messiah (Meshiach). Every Jewish relative and person I knew was ignorant of the New Testament, but everyone was familiar with anti-Semitism from personal experience received from Gentile people who could NOT have been Christian in any real way because Christ was a Jew. One cannot be a Christian in anything but meaningless name and hate Jews. Iesous was a Jew. The KKK for example bastardize Christian symbols but are not Christians. Being called a "Christ-killer" made so-called Christians an enemy of Jews. I was called Christ-killer and more even as a child but even then I knew they were not Christ-like.

I rejected the significant cultural neurosis that afflicts Jews that I will not go into here. But also my psychedelicized soul aspired towards becoming a universal human being. My heart had been softened and so I have been a vegetarian much of my life. So beef briskets and chicken soup were abandoned. I did not marry a Jewish woman on either of my marriages because I did not like the cultural programming Jewish girls came with, and with only one exception Jewish girls always felt to me like some cousin I had never met or worse they elicited Oedipal material from my unconscious. :eek: I did not procreate which is a big no-no from a religious point of view ("Be fruitful and multiply" says the command from G-d in Genesis), as well as replenishing the tribe following the Holocaust. Had I become a father I would've probably still practiced exogamy because the Ashkenazi gene pool is as high-strung as the over-bred French poodle breed. They're very smart but way too nervous for their own good.

My Jewish identity resides in my Ashkenazi genetics (95%) - Palestinian Jews who migrated to Europe long ago, as well as in some cultural values (like education), and ethics (only enhanced by my adoption of Christian ethics). I tell people that I have a Jewish soul and a Christian spirit. But to attempt to answer your question: IF by Christian you mean someone who talks the talk like the 'Christian Right' or some corrupt and perverse televangelists, then the answer is no. IF by Christian you mean that I belong to a church and adhere to the mores of their idiosyncratic 'beliefs,' then again the answer is no. IF by Christian you mean 'believing' the English translated words of the Greek documents literally as fundamentalist Christians do then the answer in unequivocally NO!

BUT, if you mean by Christian one who endeavors to possess "the mind of Christ," and who uses the descriptive writings of the New Testament, Apocryphal and Gnostic writings to extrapolate a personality which is governed by Compassion and love (Agapé specifically), then the simple answer is yes, I am a Christian - a Jewish, Entheogenic, and Gnostic Christian, but Christian. My job is to love others and this extends (radically) to the animal realm, and NOT to judge (although I do curse Donald J. Trump and his minions from Hell. "..Goddamn, well I declare, have you seen the like...Their wall are built of cannonballs, their motto is don't tread on me...") Instead I adhere to "...Ain't no time to hate, barely time to wait...Woah-oh, what I want to know, where does the time go?...) and contemplate whether Eternity truly is Agapé (1 John 4:8). I do NOT want to be identified with any of the bigoted, ignorant, concrete-minded, gun-loving morons who foolishly think that they are Christian in ANY way that resembles the being of Christ. So these days I do not disclose the identity Christian, not because I am ashamed of Christ but because I do not want to be lumped in by the mutitudinous morons and haters who go by that name.


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    #26504155 - 02/25/20 10:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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    #26504397 - 02/26/20 05:27 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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What do you mean by that, I wonder. Like, take for example - Catholic Church.


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    #26504483 - 02/26/20 08:08 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Ok so i see so many christians who believe simply out of fear or ignorance, they dont think about it at all.  My question is this, are these real christians?  In my opinion these kind of people will believe in any kind of fear mongering nonsense, so they dont count.  Also, christians, when you try and get people to believe in your religeon, what kind of people do you think will go for it?  the weak willed, mindless sheep type of people?  yep!  so heres the ironic part part of it, the real believers, learn pretty quick that the organized part of christianity.. lacks something.  So, how many real christians are there?




This is the World's parody of what a Christian is, and I remember believing it myself.  Ironically, I've found things to be quite the opposite.  The Christians I've interacted with tend to be deep thinkers who came from a position of skepticism and invite inquiry into their beliefs, while the new Atheist class are quite simplistic in their thinking and often hostile when their beliefs are challenged.

I considered myself extremely skeptical of religion for most of my life.  I laughed and mocked Christians along with the rest of the world... Then the Truth chased me down and now I know in my heart that Jesus Christ is the risen Lord and I will follow Him to the end.

We all pretend we're so concerned about "evidence", but we're not really...  The case for Jesus Christ is overwhelming if you actually take the time to examine it... this man died, bloody and humiliated on a Roman cross intended to punish the lowliest slaves... and now we reference him whenever we write out the current year. 

Jesus Christ is nothing short of a total enigma in all of world history.  The more you look at Him and His Words, the more the veil begins to drop, and you begin to see the true light.  You begin to understand what God did for you.

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    #26504815 - 02/26/20 12:42 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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    #26504837 - 02/26/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Well, yes Catholics have things idiosyncratic to themselves. The unbaptized baby place of Limbo has been rejected after centuries of fabricated 'belief.' Veneration of saints and in fact the beatification of individuals based upon 3 paranormal events is certainly idiosyncratic. Every denomination within Protestantism has its own defining idiosyncrasy that separates it from others. Even within a denomination like the Episcopal Church there is high and low church traditions. I was really thinking of bizarre shit like snake-handling churches in the American Ozarks which create a whole form based on an obscure passage of Paul being bitten by a viper but nothing happens and he shakes it off his hand into a fire in Acts 28:5 or Mark 16:18. The old viper might have already used its venom for all we know if the event happened at all. Meanwhile, people are frequently bitten by wild snakes and many have died. Testing the LORD by these behaviors is idiosyncratic, bizarre, and contraindicated by the Bible. Iesous says to the Devil himself, "Thou shall not tempt the LORD thy God" in Matthew 4:7 KJV. Am I being judgmental here? Maybe. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/17/snake-handling-phenomenon/5571403/


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Re: how many real christians are there? [Re: Connection] * 1
    #26508817 - 02/28/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Isn't there something about a narrow path? Didn't Jesus himself speak of this? Someone help me out.
Also, I prefer Xtian. Helps separate the wheat from the chaff.
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    #26508835 - 02/28/20 08:08 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Matthew 7:13-14


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Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

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    #26509117 - 02/29/20 01:27 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I don’t buy all this false love, Christian Shit, Christians, have been, the most hateful, people that have come into my lives, they hurt people, their love is false they say they love you one moment and Tarnish God’s reputation right and left saying he associates with the devil, and demons and hate people that aren’t in the same religion as them. I’ve been to church my whole life and I will tell you Christian’s are the most people, so are Baptists, and pretty much every religion I’ve encountered. They believe in Seperation. And hate everybody else who isn’t in there religion as them. Who are right, I guess no one are right, and the Universal Conscioussness, and Collective Conscioussness growth, and Evolution, Will not tolerate this shit until, all religion is dissolved and we return to Humanity. That’s my take on it, all religion believes in seperate God’s....................... last I checked we all came from the same God and come from the same God. God is Good but religion divides, and seperates turning us against eachother, will you stop this hate, and realize people for being people and stop all of your hate for other humans and their religion infinitely forever more so all this bullshit stops dont telll me i cant cuss im a grown man and cussing points to something dramatic that real words cant do although it’s not necessary just dont tell me what to do and stop threatening me of hell, I dont buy that bullshit. I can explain to you what, God looks like and the holy spirit and the trinity and Son of God Looks Like But You Wouldn’t believe me............ A true religious person doesn’t threaten people with hell fire, they are beyond all that, trust me I’ve studied like every religion on this planet, not because I am a sinner, But because, I am an explorer, hahahaha. :smile:

Tell me one thing you will serve God forevermore and make him happy by not theeatening your brother humanity with Hell Fire Ever Again It honestly is not your decision and a God, would never and can never house any Demons, or Devils or Hell’s in his Place. His Home is Good and is a white building filled with white light, inside and out, come on its so easy just step over the veil, and realize who you are and what you mean to this reality, its easy it takes, no effort at all, just awareness that’s it. Unaware are you the creator has been clearing your energy field like non stop, ever since the day you were born and before, Removing all the pain, from you, resistant AF, are you and Resistant to Life are you and the Universes and All of Creation. Have you Ever Gotten an Animal and Do You Understand The Languages of These Animals........ How do you know what, they are thinking, and when they need food, Well the Creator is there for you looking out for their food and you infinitely is your destiny. You can understand what Animals are saying not in the language of sound but in the language of love and logic it’s easy they are just spitting songs of love, havent you noticed that the languages of these birds and chimps and other Animal’s always resembles a language of love, unlike you, who have abandoned reality and lost all hopes in the name of religion, you should be ashamed of yourselves, for dethroning this God and ruining reality and calling us the sinners when your witchcraft called all religion is the pure sin, of this reality. If this doesnt make sense why we shouldnt ever or never seperate ourselves from ourselves then it will just let it sneak in and creep up on you and understand what you’ve done True Sin of Christ. I get it its nice to worship God, and nothing wrong with that, its just just remove the whole hell from your mind. The logic behind why people need to go to Hell, and other’s don’t need to goto Hell is purely wicked and purely evil, last I checked God, does not associate with Evil it just doesnt seem right and that would make him evil too, and i believe and you believe and we all believe together united together forever that this shit is plainly not true, lol.


Thanks for listening I truly appreciate you, I’m not saying to abandon Religion, although I am saying to abandon Religion, lol the conundrum but believe in destiny and the Creator more than some book that says Jesus Christ is the God of this Reality, Some Human who got the death penalty, I might be wrong but it hurts to say your right and although your right fuck everyone else everyone else is wrong, do you see the conundrum in this, I’m not saying you have to go Atheist, But you don’t ever have to attach yourself in force or doubt or loss of love or, deadly reasons, you don’t have to force an experience to meet with the Creator, your time will come and it will be sweet, and you will know the purpose of life, to not hate your brother, to not hate me for sharing my thoughts, and not hating 99%-100% of these shroomerities trying to find there way in life just, like you. You do not have to be a priest, You do not have to be anything but you do have to help Humanity any way you can and thats why you’ve been trying to help humanity, by saving people, and i infinitely respect you for that, my brother i love you oh so, much, God, I love you. The thing is you can still worship God without Religion and Hate, I’m not a devil but I learned a lot. I dont hate you even though you Christians might hate my guts right now but last I checked the bible says to love your enemies instead of hate them where’s that love for me? I’m honestly waiting, okay times up, it honestly may never happen, may you love your brother and not buy and defend constantly harassing your brother, generation fictitious stories of hate and lack of love and light, aloha!


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    #26509279 - 02/29/20 06:18 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Shhhhh. Listen, brother. Quiet the hydra.


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    #26509506 - 02/29/20 09:56 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You've just proved message of Christ to be the only truth ; ) Have a good day.


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    #26512242 - 03/02/20 03:08 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You ever think some of those people claim to be something they aren’t?  Even to the point they fool themselves into thinking it?  By the fruit of a man’s actions you will know his heart.  I can claim to be a body builder, you take one look and clearly see I am not, does that mean bodybuilding is a bullshit lie?  I don’t think so.

Do the work yourself, even if you stand alone.  The book clearly speaks of all these things, it gives plenty of warnings.  Do yourself a favor and instead of thinking of hell as some sort of spanking look at it as a result of a particular behavior that ends in disaster.... like skydiving without a parachute.  Clearly if I warn you of death due to skydiving without a parachute it’s not because I’m some meanie... 1+1=2

How has the secular mind frame worked out?  Look around.  The world is fucked, and people are suffering for absolutely no reason.  Would you call that sanity?  People serving themselves at the expense of others?

Walk the walk, put in the work.  Stop judging based off people’s actions who are clearly failing.  Take a second to acknowledge you’re alive.  Or don’t, that is all up to you. 

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