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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
The Ecstatic said:
Jimmy is just a contrarian who trips over his own dick because he doesn’t understand politics all that well.


Where is his political understanding lacking exactly?


I think calling someone challenging Pelosi from her left a “trump booster” is pretty moronic.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
I think calling someone challenging Pelosi from her left a “trump booster” is pretty moronic.


Do you want to add context to your statement, or should I?


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
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koods said:
You don’t value truth. You make up quotes to further your agenda.


Actually, you ignored my quote to further your agenda.  But I agreed with your point and made a new rule for you.  But you ignored that and now you're still playing dumb.


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

Edited by Falcon91Wolvrn03 (12/23/19 01:27 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: qman]
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qman said:
The Ecstatic said:
Jimmy is just a contrarian who trips over his own dick because he doesn’t understand politics all that well.


Where is his political understanding lacking exactly?


The last time The Ecstatic (who is generally a brilliant poster) said this, he pointed out how Jimmy Dore supported Operation Car Wash.  The problem is, Glenn Greenwald (who eventually exposed it for the scam it was) also supported it at the time.  Of course Jimmy switched his opinion once Glen Greenwald exposed it.

But ya, I can't wait for his next response about Jimmy either.  :popcorn:


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
koods said:
You don’t value truth. You make up quotes to further your agenda.


Actually, you ignored my quote to further your agenda.  But I agreed with your point and made a new rule for you.  But you ignored that and now you're still playing dumb.


I wasnt replying to you. You fabricated a quote. You don’t get to do that just because you didn’t like the fact that I didn’t respond to you. I was right to ban you and wrong to lift it. You have no clue what you did was dishonest.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
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No, I actually agreed with you and even proposed a new rule.  I don't know why you keep make believing I didn't.


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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So you agree you were dishonest?

This is a yes or no question. I will not accept any answer except yes or no


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (12/23/19 01:44 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
qman said:
The Ecstatic said:
Jimmy is just a contrarian who trips over his own dick because he doesn’t understand politics all that well.


Where is his political understanding lacking exactly?


The last time The Ecstatic (who is generally a brilliant poster) said this, he pointed out how Jimmy Dore supported Operation Car Wash.  The problem is, Glenn Greenwald (who eventually exposed it for the scam it was) also supported it at the time.  Of course Jimmy switched his opinion once Glen Greenwald exposed it.

But ya, I can't wait for his next response about Jimmy either.  :popcorn:


Yeah, I get it, being intellectually honest isn't acceptable when it comes to Trump if someone is a liberal. I just haven't heard Dore make any uninformed statements. He even had that POS Cenk admit he was full of shit about Trump and the whole impeachment nonsense.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
The Ecstatic said:
I think calling someone challenging Pelosi from her left a “trump booster” is pretty moronic.


Do you want to add context to your statement, or should I?


Lmao by all means. Here’s the audio:

https://twitter.com/nitzky89/status/1208219411766751234?s=21


Basically, Buttar is calling out Pelosi for a few things: dragging her feet on impeachment, and then limiting the scope of impeachment as to not include financial crimes that may implicate herself and other top Dems/donors. But because Jimmy has the brilliant contrarian take of being against impeachment, he claims that Buttar is a Trump booster because Buttar is pro impeachment, and impeachment helps Trump.

Just monumental idiocy. And has the gall to say Buttar is “so fucking stupid politically.” Then of course he pivots to his favorite politician Tulsi Gabbard being against impeachment, because why wouldn’t he.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
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Yes, I agree with you that I should not have used nested quotes, and I even proposed a new rule.  No, I was not being dishonest.

I'll provide the context one more time for you (I think everyone else here gets it but you):



I asked:  Do you think the US had a right to implement or even support regime change in Ukraine without letting the Ukrainian voters have a say?
feldman114 said:  There was a vote.  FFS your talking points are straight from Russian TV. AKA complete self-serving BS, predicted on more BS, supported by BS, and believed by dogma-ridden weak-brained couch-activists.
I asked:  Source?  Or make believe?
You removed my question and respended:  He has to be doing this on purpose. Nobody could be so dedicated to propaganda and not realize how unteathered from reality they have become


Once again, did the Ukrainian people (including Crimea) vote for a coup or didn't they?

Everyone here knows the answer is "no" (unless you prove otherwise) and that you and Feldman are the only ones who are unearthed from reality, and you are the only ones being dishonest.



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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
The Ecstatic said:
I think calling someone challenging Pelosi from her left a “trump booster” is pretty moronic.


Do you want to add context to your statement, or should I?


Lmao by all means. Here’s the audio:

https://twitter.com/nitzky89/status/1208219411766751234?s=21


Basically, Buttar is calling out Pelosi for a few things: dragging her feet on impeachment, and then limiting the scope of impeachment as to not include financial crimes that may implicate herself and other top Dems/donors. But because Jimmy has the brilliant contrarian take of being against impeachment, he claims that Buttar is a Trump booster because Buttar is pro impeachment, and impeachment helps Trump.

Just monumental idiocy. And has the gall to say Buttar is “so fucking stupid politically.” Then of course he pivots to his favorite politician Tulsi Gabbard being against impeachment, because why wouldn’t he.


Thanks.  Did you miss qman's "must watch" video which included this?  It shows that impeachment clearly isn't hurting Trump, and Jimmy was probably correct to say that if you support impeachment, you are actually boosting Trump.

With that said, I TOTALLY agree with you (and therefore I totally DISAGREE with Jimmy on this) that Jimmy shouldn't have been so critical of Shahid Buttar, and Ron Placone did an ok job of defending him, but Jimmy wasn't incorrect to say that if you support impeachment you are boosting Trump.

It's a matter of opinion whether this is worth criticizing someone for or not.  Again, I AGREE with your opinion on this.


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Yes, I agree with you that I should not have used nested quotes, and I even proposed a new rule.  No, I was not being dishonest.

I'll provide the context one more time for you (I think everyone else here gets it but you):



I asked:  Do you think the US had a right to implement or even support regime change in Ukraine without letting the Ukrainian voters have a say?
feldman114 said:  There was a vote.  FFS your talking points are straight from Russian TV. AKA complete self-serving BS, predicted on more BS, supported by BS, and believed by dogma-ridden weak-brained couch-activists.
I asked:  Source?  Or make believe?
You removed my question and respended:  He has to be doing this on purpose. Nobody could be so dedicated to propaganda and not realize how unteathered from reality they have become


Once again, did the Ukrainian people (including Crimea) vote for a coup or didn't they?

Everyone here knows the answer is "no" (unless you prove otherwise) and that you and Feldman are the only ones who are unearthed from reality, and you are the only ones being dishonest.

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Jesus Christ. I didn’t remove anything. I wasn’t responding to you.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
The Ecstatic said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
The Ecstatic said:
I think calling someone challenging Pelosi from her left a “trump booster” is pretty moronic.


Do you want to add context to your statement, or should I?


Lmao by all means. Here’s the audio:

https://twitter.com/nitzky89/status/1208219411766751234?s=21


Basically, Buttar is calling out Pelosi for a few things: dragging her feet on impeachment, and then limiting the scope of impeachment as to not include financial crimes that may implicate herself and other top Dems/donors. But because Jimmy has the brilliant contrarian take of being against impeachment, he claims that Buttar is a Trump booster because Buttar is pro impeachment, and impeachment helps Trump.

Just monumental idiocy. And has the gall to say Buttar is “so fucking stupid politically.” Then of course he pivots to his favorite politician Tulsi Gabbard being against impeachment, because why wouldn’t he.


Thanks.  Did you miss qman's "must watch" video which included this?  It shows that impeachment clearly isn't hurting Trump, and Jimmy was probably correct to say that if you support impeachment, you are actually boosting Trump.

With that said, I TOTALLY agree with you (and therefore I totally DISAGREE with Jimmy on this) that Jimmy shouldn't have been so critical of Shahid Buttar, and Ron Placone did an ok job of defending him, but Jimmy wasn't incorrect to say that if you support impeachment you are boosting Trump.

It's a matter of opinion whether this is worth criticizing someone for or not.  Again, I AGREE with your opinion on this.


It’s a matter of opinion whether impeachment helps Trump, or rather doesn’t hurt him. If even one GOP Senator soft pedals on impeachment it hurts Trump. If it drives down turnout, if it makes competitive down ballot races a referendum on Trump, it hurts him.

For someone who constantly rails against Pelosi and the like, you’d think Jimmy would have slightly more tact than to basically call her progressive challenger a fucking idiot.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Jesus Christ. I didn’t remove anything. I wasn’t responding to you.


But Feldman was replying to me when he said "There was a vote."  You then replied to Feldman saying "how unteathered from reality" I was.

Was there a vote or wasn't there (even without my "source or make believe" comment)?  :popcorn:


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
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Psilynut2 said:
Quote:
Bullshit, he's more pro-left than any Democratic candidate other than Bernie who he fully endorses.  Do you even watch his videos? 



Ya that’s why I said his YouTube channel is mostly anti democratic videos .
  He’s not even a news person he’s a fucking stand up comedian , a bad one .

https://m.youtube.com/user/TYTComedy

Here ya go , please point out the non anti democratic videos please .


huh, that is interesting
was aware that he left The Young Turks to do his own dedicated show
but did not realize TYT let him convert one of their channels into his
presumably to keep his channel died to their audience listings?

but it does provide some insight into why he joined in on the Cenk Uygur defense when CNN and NYT were making up shit and Bernie took back his endorsement



but personally felt that Kyle Kulinski covered the mainstream media onslaught more effectively



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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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I think koods and I are just going in circles, and we'd REALLY appreciate input from others on this.


I agree with koods in that I incorrectly used the quote feature, and I even proposed a new rule so it doesn't happen again.

I disagree with koods that I was being dishonest by adding my "source or make believe" statement back in to emphasize that I was looking for proof of Feldman's statement that "there was a vote".

Even without that statement, koods knows there was never a vote and that I wasn't, in fact, unearthed from reality.


Thoughts???


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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I gave up debating with koods. You can't debate with people who are unwilling to change their minds no matter what.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Who cares? Now whoever does it next can get called out on it.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: dreamachine]
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dreamachine said:
I gave up debating with koods. You can't debate with people who are unwilling to change their minds no matter what.


That’s literally all debates are, especially on this forum. To the degree that people change their minds is how very subtly they attempt to change their narrative once they’ve conceded their position was wrong in their own heads. That said, I’ve seen koods change his mind on things. Your failure to convince him isn’t proof of his hard headedness.


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