SpaceCookies said:

Hello! Can I substitute pure coir as substrate with pasteruzie cow/buffalo manure (  coir) instead? Thanks!

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ChardRich said:

SpaceCookies said:

PS. Can anyone elaborate the reason of massive side/bottom pins or how to prevent it? I used a black liner and it doesn't really help. The substrate shrink regardless. It seems to create its own microclimate from evaporation. Maybe I shouldnt have use a humidifier (because it kinda make EVERYWHERE in the tub moist and wet), and just use a sprayer to control the moist to be only at the surface as per this tek.

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Poor surface conditions. Probably too wet. Just use 100% coir and follow Sharper's coir prep tek.

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Massive side and bottom pins would come from poor surface conditions, you shouldn't need a humidifier with shoebox teks, theyre pretty set and forget, id suggest trying again and not using a humidifier.

SpaceCookies said:

Ok guys, another question. Sorry if I'm double posting. Its regarding measurement of coir.

So I have one small size fully colonize spawn left that I just took out of a fridge. The weight of the spawn is about 270g. I've read the this tek and it says 550g of coir for 5 box. This mean about 110g is use per box.

Now, I'm abit confuse since the recommend ratio is 1:1.5. I'm not sure which measurement to go for. Should I go for 110g and ignore whatever my spawn weight is? Or should the coir weight be 405g per box(270g + 135g which is 1:1.5 - I'm super bad at math so please correct me)?

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We dont usually use weight for measuring spawn, so what size jar did you fill? We normally use volume for measuring spawn like 1 qt, 1/2 pint etc

Never tried using weight myself but it may work

SpaceCookies said:

Well, I've google and 1 quart = 946.352946 grams. My spawn is like 1/4th of that, which is about 270 grams. Does this mean I have to use less than 110g coir?

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san pedro guy said:

I think my only criticism would be the 20 seconds of spraying. Some people have a slower trigger finger. I spray the shit out of it.

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DnDRnD said:

SpaceCookies said:

Hello! Can I substitute pure coir as substrate with pasteruzie cow/buffalo manure (  coir) instead? Thanks!

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ChardRich said:

SpaceCookies said:

PS. Can anyone elaborate the reason of massive side/bottom pins or how to prevent it? I used a black liner and it doesn't really help. The substrate shrink regardless. It seems to create its own microclimate from evaporation. Maybe I shouldnt have use a humidifier (because it kinda make EVERYWHERE in the tub moist and wet), and just use a sprayer to control the moist to be only at the surface as per this tek.

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Poor surface conditions. Probably too wet. Just use 100% coir and follow Sharper's coir prep tek.

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Massive side and bottom pins would come from poor surface conditions, you shouldn't need a humidifier with shoebox teks, theyre pretty set and forget, id suggest trying again and not using a humidifier.

SpaceCookies said:

Ok guys, another question. Sorry if I'm double posting. Its regarding measurement of coir.

So I have one small size fully colonize spawn left that I just took out of a fridge. The weight of the spawn is about 270g. I've read the this tek and it says 550g of coir for 5 box. This mean about 110g is use per box.

Now, I'm abit confuse since the recommend ratio is 1:1.5. I'm not sure which measurement to go for. Should I go for 110g and ignore whatever my spawn weight is? Or should the coir weight be 405g per box(270g + 135g which is 1:1.5 - I'm super bad at math so please correct me)?

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We dont usually use weight for measuring spawn, so what size jar did you fill? We normally use volume for measuring spawn like 1 qt, 1/2 pint etc

Never tried using weight myself but it may work

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I'm not sure about the size. The place were I bought it, and the jar itself, don't state any info. All I can do is using a ruler to measure the height and the weight of the jar :/ In fact, no one around here use quart or pint at all. So I kinda have to roughly convert things and improvise along the way. In the end what I did was just using the 1:1.5 ratio of -- spawn weight in grams : bulk substrate weight in grams (find spawn weight, find the half of that weight, and add both) -- maybe next time I'll try wrap my head around quart and pint, and find a jar that state those measurements...

nevereataamanita said:

SpaceCookies said:

Well, I've google and 1 quart = 946.352946 grams. My spawn is like 1/4th of that, which is about 270 grams. Does this mean I have to use less than 110g coir?

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A quart of what is 946 grams? Quart is a unit of volume, gram is a unit of mass...there's no converting between the two unless you know the density.

Just did a quick google of my own and I'm guessing you found that a quart of water weighs 946 grams. Your spawn is probably quite a bit lighter than that.

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Thanks for the heads up, but it's a bit too late now hahaha. I didn't know quart is a unit of volume while gram is a unit of mass. As I stated above, kinda have to wing it now

nevereataamanita said:

san pedro guy said:

I think my only criticism would be the 20 seconds of spraying. Some people have a slower trigger finger. I spray the shit out of it.

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I'm hoping to launch a couple shoeboxes using this tek soon, and this is one of the instructions that my engineery brain is struggling with, too.

I just did a little experiment where I found that, using my biggest spray bottle, spraying just as hard as I could, I could spray about 125 mL in 20 seconds. Coincidentally, I THINK that's close to how much less water ShaperDreaming is using per shoebox, compared to standard field capacity.

Maybe that's a rule of thumb to start from? However much water you don't use during initial hydration, add it back when you spray the surface?

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DnDRnD said:

I think all my advice should be cross referenced with advice from TC's

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nevereataamanita said:

I posted in the Getting Started forum, too, so hopefully this isn't excessive. But here are two SFF shoeboxes that were spawned 11 days ago. Today was the first day I lifted the lids, because all of a sudden it looked like I had pins (I did!). What do we think? Most of the surface looks dry to me, but then in places I do see droplets. Also, the pins are super fuzzy.

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I don't see any water droplets either, is your lid not shut all the way perhaps? Some of those caps look like they might be a little wet ontop but I'm not totally sure if thats just when I zoom since my screen quality kinda sucks

Id say probably give it a nice misting though

Definitely not to bad just curious did you use BRF or grains as your spawn?

Edit - reconsidered my original judgement

DnDRnD said:

I don't see any water droplets either, is your lid not shut all the way perhaps? Some of those caps look like they might be a little wet ontop but I'm not totally sure if thats just when I zoom since my screen quality kinda sucks

Id say probably give it a nice misting though

Definitely not to bad just curious did you use BRF or grains as your spawn?

Edit - reconsidered my original judgement

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Yeah, in retrospect the droplets were pretty few and far between when I first opened them up. Lids had been latched literally since spawning. I'm a bit surprised they dried out especially because I would guessed my original field capacity was TOO wet, rather than the other way around. I've misted them heavily since taking this picture and they look a lot better. Blowing up, actually!

Spawn was whole brown rice, actually, not BRF.

Thanks a bunch for the advice and encouragement!

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that jar and those shoes dont look to hot imo. whats that blobby lookin shit in this pic?

and i think thats trich myc. it has that weird white inner fluff dusted ice cream kinda look. may be wrong tho.

mushboy said:

from your journal...

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that jar and those shoes dont look to hot imo. whats that blobby lookin shit in this pic?

and i think thats trich myc. it has that weird white inner fluff dusted ice cream kinda look. may be wrong tho.

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