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Re: Caps' Quick Coir [Re: mushboy]
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:hyperlol:

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Re: Caps' Quick Coir [Re: Caps McGee]
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Now it makes sense why Im prob getting some of the nasty's... When I originally added hot water to my sub i ended up not using it for a few days and thought it could have gotten contam in it, so I heated up a little more water and threw it back in to kill whatever I thought could have been in there.  I guess hand squeezing everything out and transfering to the new tub prob wasnt a good way to measure field capacity lol

So Im like 11 days in from mixing my substrate with the spawn and its just been beaded water over all the growth the whole time. Every day I try to open the lid and turn it sideways and breathe for a few hours but it doesnt ever dry up the beads... is there a way to remove the excess moisture safely?


PS: Sorry for threadjacking.

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Re: Caps' Quick Coir [Re: mushman1017]
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Moisture levels don't aid in bacterial problems bacteria will grow just fine on something damp, wanna test that?
Swipe some bacteria onto some stiff agar see how much of a difference it makes.
I fucking wish the answer to less contams was that simple though lol.
Simple facts are clean spawn is truly key, decades have shown that field capacity is not a vector,subs shrink because of metabolism not water loss and sidepins are a personal problem.


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Re: Caps' Quick Coir [Re: cronicr]
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cronicr said:
Moisture levels don't aid in bacterial problems bacteria will grow just fine on something damp, wanna test that?
Swipe some bacteria onto some stiff agar see how much of a difference it makes.
I fucking wish the answer to less contams was that simple though lol.
Simple facts are clean spawn is truly key, decades have shown that field capacity is not a vector,subs shrink because of metabolism not water loss and sidelined are a personal problem.


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Re: Caps' Quick Coir [Re: cronicr]
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cronicr said:
subs shrink because of metabolism not water loss


Right, but that process results in water being pumped from the sub into the mushrooms, resulting in sub shrinkage, right? The opposite of "loss" like evaporation or something, but essentially spent elsewhere than the sub.

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Re: Caps' Quick Coir [Re: Tormato]
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Tormato said:
cronicr said:
Moisture levels don't aid in bacterial problems bacteria will grow just fine on something damp, wanna test that?
Swipe some bacteria onto some stiff agar see how much of a difference it makes.
I fucking wish the answer to less contams was that simple though lol.
Simple facts are clean spawn is truly key, decades have shown that field capacity is not a vector,subs shrink because of metabolism not water loss and sidelined are a personal problem.


:thatsayes:


So are you saying its not an issue to have excessive moisture in my tub like I do? I would have thought I would have seen pinning by now?

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Re: Caps' Quick Coir [Re: stareatclouds]
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stareatclouds said:
cronicr said:
subs shrink because of metabolism not water loss


Right, but that process results in water being pumped from the sub into the mushrooms, resulting in sub shrinkage, right? The opposite of "loss" like evaporation or something, but essentially spent elsewhere than the sub.

"I WAS IN THE POOL!"


Kinda like osmosis maybe? ish..



mushman1017 said:
So are you saying its not an issue to have excessive moisture in my tub like I do? I would have thought I would have seen pinning by now?


If it's not evaporating it is. It's ok to have water on the sub, but you want it to evaporate too. I would say you need to increase FAE a bit.


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Re: Caps' Quick Coir [Re: stareatclouds]
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stareatclouds said:
cronicr said:
subs shrink because of metabolism not water loss


Right, but that process results in water being pumped from the sub into the mushrooms, resulting in sub shrinkage, right? The opposite of "loss" like evaporation or something, but essentially spent elsewhere than the sub.

"I WAS IN THE POOL!"


When u dunk your sub after the first flush
Back to field capacity does your sub magically grow back to size and those gaps go away?
I didn't think so, yes a bit of shrinking is due to water but it's mostly metabolism


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Re: Caps' Quick Coir [Re: Tormato]
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mushman1017 said:
So are you saying its not an issue to have excessive moisture in my tub like I do? I would have thought I would have seen pinning by now?


If it's not evaporating it is. It's ok to have water on the sub, but you want it to evaporate too. I would say you need to increase FAE a bit.


How should I do that? Just leave the lid off completely for a few hours? Right now I have it sitting sideways on the tub...  Or should I get a fan and start blowing it on it with the lid completely off?

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Re: Caps' Quick Coir [Re: mushman1017]
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mushman1017 said:
mushman1017 said:
So are you saying its not an issue to have excessive moisture in my tub like I do? I would have thought I would have seen pinning by now?


If it's not evaporating it is. It's ok to have water on the sub, but you want it to evaporate too. I would say you need to increase FAE a bit.


How should I do that? Just leave the lid off completely for a few hours? Right now I have it sitting sideways on the tub...  Or should I get a fan and start blowing it on it with the lid completely off?


Don't use a fan....just flip the lid or leave it crack all the time. As long as you got some air flow it'll be fine.


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Re: Caps' Quick Coir [Re: Tormato]
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Don't use a fan....just flip the lid or leave it crack all the time. As long as you got some air flow it'll be fine.


Ok, so in my tub I have both sides drilled with holes, no misting and it STILL has all this moisture...


Im gonna prob try to leave the top on sideways indefinitely till I see the water removed.

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Re: Caps' Quick Coir [Re: mushman1017]
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I postulate that excess water content will contribute to shrinkage upon evaporation from simple volume displacement... Undoubtedly the culture is feeding on the substrate, but wetter subs shrink too much too fast for me to bite it having NOTHING to do with it...

:shrug:

you can tilt the tub and drain off excess moisture, or even use a paper towel to lightly soak it up.. I'm not real sure what contraption you've got there... Seems like a bulk sub in a SGFC half taped back?


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Re: Caps' Quick Coir [Re: Caps McGee]
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As far as bacteria, I don't think excess moisture CAUSES it, but rather gives it the more favorable conditions to cubensis, providing it with the foothold it needs to allow other contaminants to move in... I'm basing this purely on personal observation, and my eyes are shit so forgive me... just seems fair to state that bacteria will thrive easier and easier the more moisture is present, no?

I'm just looking for a deeper understanding, and clarification for the rest of us lol


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Re: Caps' Quick Coir [Re: Caps McGee]
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3... sorry... tried... dosing soon guys


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Re: Caps' Quick Coir [Re: Caps McGee]
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Caps McGee said:
you can tilt the tub and drain off excess moisture, or even use a paper towel to lightly soak it up.. I'm not real sure what contraption you've got there... Seems like a bulk sub in a SGFC half taped back?



ya those holes were drilled all the way around the tub... then found out its prob too much so I taped 2 long sides up, and left the 2 short sides drilled for some breathing room but still doesnt seem to be working. I was thinking of tilting and soaking up with paper towel but :

1. will the paper towel contaminate the substrate? Like, its not sterile right?
2. if I tilt will the water thats touching the yellow shit in the corner spread to the rest of the tub? or does bacteria travel through the myc only and not really through water?

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Re: Caps' Quick Coir [Re: Caps McGee]
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Caps McGee said:
As far as bacteria, I don't think excess moisture CAUSES it, but rather gives it the more favorable conditions to cubensis, providing it with the foothold it needs to allow other contaminants to move in... I'm basing this purely on personal observation, and my eyes are shit so forgive me... just seems fair to state that bacteria will thrive easier and easier the more moisture is present, no?

I'm just looking for a deeper understanding, and clarification for the rest of us lol


Depends on how you define excess Lol, field capacity is not more favorable to bacteria then to cubensis, the line is drawn at the point where the sub starts to compact and cubes have a harder time colonizing the substrate, after colonization we can take that line further then field capacity as we have seen simply by dunking our subs after a flush in which you would imagine that beyond field capacity though I have never weighed a substrate at this point.
But to go with your point yes wetter conditions can and often will be great for bacteria but how often do we see bacteria as a problem or threat in a bulk sub unless it came from the spawn?
Nice work though caps keep it up


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Re: Caps' Quick Coir [Re: cronicr]
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Absolutely, and let the record show that I 100% believe that any loss prior to first flush harvest originates with less than ideal spawn... If the spawn is clean, and the culture is otherwise healthy/strong (good genetics) it's really rather difficult not to get SOME fruit... Conditions management and prep will determine to what degree your success will be, and whether or not subsequent flushes will occur

cronicr said:
Nice work though caps keep it up


:jawdrop:
Gotta say, this made my day, and it's only 3:33 am ...(HERE AGAIN... Seems to be a trend) BUT, also presents an expectation I intend on taking seriously sir: I HIGHLY appreciate your input! :jah:

Maybe my initial interpretation of "field capacity" was WAYYY off, and my grip strength is nowhere what I believe it to be?

OH SHIT!

:hyperlol:


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Re: Caps' Quick Coir [Re: cronicr]
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cronicr said:
When u dunk your sub after the first flush
Back to field capacity does your sub magically grow back to size and those gaps go away?
I didn't think so, yes a bit of shrinking is due to water but it's mostly metabolism


Interesting. I believe it. I can see BRF cakes with a gap between the glass and sub and I don't hydrate them bitches to FC before jarring.


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Re: Caps' Quick Coir [Re: stareatclouds]
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Just because I don't agree doesn't mean I won't try it( with manure but meh)


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Re: Caps' Quick Coir [Re: cronicr]
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What are you trying?


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